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Old 13-07-2008, 02:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The 5 real reasons to avoid iPhone 3G:
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iPhone completely blocks free software. Developers must pay a tax to Apple, who becomes the sole authority over what can and can't be on everyone's phones.

iPhone endorses and supports Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) technology.
iPhone exposes your whereabouts and provides ways for others to track you without your knowledge.

iPhone won't play patent- and DRM-free formats like Ogg Vorbis and Theora.

iPhone is not the only option. There are better alternatives on the horizon that respect your freedom, don't spy on you, play free media formats, and let you use free software -- like the FreeRunner.
"This is the phone that has changed phones forever," Mr. Jobs said.
We agree. A snake oil salesman not satisfied with his business of pushing proprietary software and Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) technology into your home, Jobs has set his sights on getting DRM and proprietary software into your pocket as well.


There is a reason so much emphasis was put on the visual design of the iPhone. There is a reason that Apple is so concerned about unsightly seams that they won't even let you change the battery in your own phone.


Apple, through its marketing and visual design techniques, is manufacturing an illusion that merely buying an Apple makes you part of an alternative community. But the technology they use is explicitly chosen to divide people into separate digital cells, and to position Apple as sole warden. When your business depends on people paying for the privilege of being locked up, the prison better look and feel luxurious, and the bars better not be too visible.
Wait, locked up? Prison? It's a phone. Aren't we being a little extreme?

Unfortunately, we are not. The extreme here is represented by Jobs and Apple. The iPhone is an attack on very old and fundamental values -- the value of people having control over their stuff rather than their stuff having control over them, the right to freely communicate and share with others, and the importance of privacy.


The iPhone does make phone calls, but it is not just a phone. It is a general-purpose computer, more powerful in terms of hardware than the ones we might have had sitting on our desks just a few years ago. It's also a tracking device, and like other proprietary GPS-enabled phones, can transmit your location without your knowledge.


As of November 2007, 3.3 billion people in the world had mobile telephones, and the number continues to rise rapidly. For many of these people, phones are becoming the most important computers they own. They are vital to their communications and they are with them all the time. Of all the technology people use that could be turned against them, this is one of the most frightening possibilities.


But there is an important difference between the iPhone and prior general-purpose computers: The iPhone is broken, on purpose. It is in theory capable of running many different kinds of programs, but software applications and media will be limited via Apple's ironically named Digital Restrictions Management technology -- "FairPlay".
FoulPlay

Apple's DRM system monitors your activities and tells you what you are and are not allowed to do. What you are not allowed to do is install any software that Apple doesn't like. This restriction prevents you from installing free software -- software whose authors want you to freely share, copy and modify their work.


Free software has given us many exciting things on the desktop -- the GNU/Linux operating system, the Firefox web browser, the OpenOffice.org suite, the Apache webserver that runs most of the web sites on the internet. Why would we want to buy a computer that goes out of its way to obstruct the freedom of such creators?


This system is not Apple's only FoulPlay. iPhones can now also only be activated in stores -- despite the fact that in the U.S., the Register of Copyrights ruled that consumers have the right to unlock their phones and switch to a different carrier.
Fingerpointing (and we don't mean the touch screen)

Jobs would have us believe that all of these restrictions are necessary. He nods and agrees when we complain about them, and says that he doesn't like them either. He claims that Apple is forced to include them for our own good -- for the safety of the whole telephone network, and to allow access to all the movies and music we want.


But it's been a year and a half since Jobs, under pressure from the public, spoke out strongly against DRM and in favor of freedom. With great hesitation, he allowed a handful of files to go DRM-free on iTunes, but kept in place the requirement that they be purchased using the proprietary, DRM-infected iTunes software. Since then, he has done absolutely nothing to act on those words. In his movie and video ventures, he has continued to push DRM. And now he's bringing it to mobile software applications as well.



It's become clear that those words were a ploy to defuse opposition.
The truth is that there are thousands of software, music, and media creators who want to share their work more freely. It's funny -- as in reprehensible -- because Apple's OS X operating system was in fact largely built on software written by people who voluntarily made their work free to others for further copying, modification and improvement. When people have the freedom to tinker, create, and innovate, they make exciting and useful creations. People have already been writing their own free software to run mobile platforms. The telephone network is still standing.


We know Jobs is afraid of competition, and is manufacturing threats and excuses. This is simply a business decision, and it's a kind of business we shouldn't support. Jobs wants the iPhone to restrict you because he wants your money and increased control is a means to that -- he wants to take as much from you as possible, give you back as little as possible, and keep his costs at the absolute minimum. He's trying to make sure that nobody writes software for the iPhone to do things that he doesn't want the iPhone to be able to do -- such software might make FoulPlay less foul, play alternative media formats, show the user exactly what's being communicated from the phone to the people monitoring it, or even disable transmission of that information.


Being the future we want to see


Fortunately, we will soon be able to have all the convenience of a mobile computer that also makes phone calls without selling our freedom to Apple, Microsoft, BlackBerry, or anyone else. The Neo FreeRunner is a promising free-software phone, being developed in cooperation with the same worldwide community responsible for the GNU/Linux operating system. These are creators who want to share their work and who want you and others to be able to do what they did -- build on the work of people who came before them to make new, empowering devices.
Jobs built on the work of people before him too, only his answer is to kick away the ladder and try to prevent anyone else from doing what he did. His customers are fighting back -- according to Apple in October 2007, over 250,000 of the 1.4 million iPhones sold were unlocked by their users. Rather than embracing this, Jobs thinks it should be stopped.
We have a choice. The FreeRunner doesn't yet do as much as the iPhone and it's certainly not as pretty.



But in terms of potential, the fact that it's supported by a worldwide community of people rather than a single greedy, dishonest and secretive entity puts it light-years ahead. We can trade our freedom and our money to get something flashy on the surface, or we can spend a little more money, keep our freedom, and support a better kind of business. If we want businesses to be ethical, we have to reward the ones that are. By not enriching companies that want to take away our freedom and by rewarding those that respect us, we will be helping to bring about a better future.
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ya .. sure ... but it will be convinient to me and my assasin if u would give the address and name now ... u know ... easy kill...

anyway .. on topic .. iam wondering whts the fuzz abouit 3g iphone when i dont see 3G hitting india any sooner than i see my grandchildrens
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iPhone completely blocks free software. Developers must pay a tax to Apple, who becomes the sole authority over what can and can't be on everyone's phones.

iPhone endorses and supports Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) technology.
iPhone exposes your whereabouts and provides ways for others to track you without your knowledge.

iPhone won't play patent- and DRM-free formats like Ogg Vorbis and Theora.

iPhone is not the only option. There are better alternatives on the horizon that respect your freedom, don't spy on you, play free media formats, and let you use free software -- like the FreeRunner.
All points made by the Author are invalid. Seems like this article was sponsored by FreeRunner makers!

1. It does not block free software. Currently more than 25% of apps on app-store are completely free. Neither the developers have to pay anything to apple nor the users.

2. Maybe it endorses, but it does not enforce. You are free to use whichever format you want to play.(using additional apps ofcourse)

3. Thats plain incorrect. Its not possible.

4. iphone plays a variety of formats including,but not limited to, ogg! Ofcourse, you need additional apps to play them

5. That is not exactly what I call a reason. It sounds like someones jealous of success of Apple!
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Reasons to avoid 3G iPhone in India.

1. Expected Price above Rs 21 grand when half of the world gets is for wat, Rs 8000!
2. You charge me that much and then ask me to sign a heavy bill contract when if your current plans are an indicator, half of the data features would not work at all, call rates would make me broke and generally every thing else about current plans makes me puke.
3. Just 8 GB of storage at that price, you gotta be kidding me!
4. Maximum storage is just 16GB and iPod touch comes with 32 GB Max. BTW isnt there an expansion card slot even in a Rs 4000 phone now a days!
5. And Above All Where is the 3G in India by the way?
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5. And Above All Where is the 3G in India by the way?
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Personally I do not like iPhone. It is only hype and my Moto Q is far better in terms of business functionality. But seriously when is 3G coming to India? Without 3G, a lot of features in smartphones do not make sense.
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Reasons to avoid 3G iPhone in India.

1. Expected Price above Rs 21 grand when half of the world gets is for wat, Rs 8000!
2. You charge me that much and then ask me to sign a heavy bill contract when if your current plans are an indicator, half of the data features would not work at all, call rates would make me broke and generally every thing else about current plans makes me puke.
Half of the world gets at that price because they have to pay more over 2 years. And how do you know its going to be a heavy bill contract in India ?
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steve sux...and so does his pathetic iphone

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Without 3G, a lot of features in smartphones do not make sense.
dude apple claims iphone to be a smart phone...there are so many features missing in it...sometimes i doubt how it ever came into the market!! and don't even get me started the features it lacks for a smartphone
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Rubbish article. There a lot more practical reasons for one to "avoid" the iPhone. But, these are simply not those.
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^ I agree. I can give 10 reasons but none of them are to be found in the original post
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Half of the world gets at that price because they have to pay more over 2 years. And how do you know its going to be a heavy bill contract in India ?
Oh, go check out the blackberry plans and all. That would give you an idea!

OTOH Single Reason Open Moko is not for Indians

The damn thing is _n0t_ available in India!
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Oh, go check out the blackberry plans and all. That would give you an idea!
You are not getting the point. What I am saying is that you cannot *assume* anything just based on the plans of other phones. In some of the countries iPhone has been released sim-free (i.e. with no network-lock and no plan-lock). So you never know how it is going to be in India until it is announced officially.

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The damn thing is _n0t_ available in India!
JFYI..FreeRunner(OpenMoko is the name of OS based on linux) is available in India officially. We have one authorised reseller in Jaipur IIRC. Available for 20k.
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Just look at the UI, it looks so cool.
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My mistake on the later count!

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Note to self - Avoid iPhone at all costs.

That freerunner phone, isn't it da same open source phone?
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i will buy iphone.

it has what i need.
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Just look at the UI, it looks so cool.
I'm assuming/partially hoping that this was a sardonic/sarcastic remark, or is GX going soft?!

Get over it. Why can't all you people just accept that the iPhone does indeed rock and the reason everyone is pissed off is because its so darn pricey in India.

The iPhone supporting Apple's format is not a crime. Do you see The Zune playing Divx or FLAC for that matter? Or can any of Creative's players run OGG Vorbis? And that fact that it misses certain features is like complaining that your Five Megapixel camera phone doesn't have a One Megapixel camera.

Viz a viz, its pointless!!! Does anyone even realize that whatever features Jobs yanked out are either seldom used or are replaced by better, faster implementations?

Of course, irrespective of what I or anyone for that matter says, haters will hate. So, continue...
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^^well abt being pricey....maybe ur right but u have to realize that this gizmo is not woth anything above 10-15k. It does not have anyextra ordinary features that a phone of 10-15k price range does not have.

2.) Its not abt how many foramts it supports but how many common formats it supports

3.) dude...forget abt the 5 meg camera i'm ok with the 2 meg...but this thing can't even record....what's up with that?

4.) introducing the iphone 3G was a opportunity to make major ammendments they could.....but they failed big time!
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it doesn't even have a FM radio (my view)
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The biggest drawback in the idea of appstore is Apple wants a share of every iPhone app developers hard work. Providing hosting infrastructure is not a good reason for it. If I'm already a mobile developer I would most probably have a site of my own why should I pay Apple separately to host my apps.

This makes developers having to charge more for their apps. If it is free then fine. But say I want to sell my app for $10 which includes profits, if I sell it to any other mobile I can sell for $10. But for iPhone $14.29 so that I can pay the Apple tax (30% IIRC). This increases the cost of individual applications.

Seems like Apple doesn't want to lose their "premium brand" image even when others develop applications for their products.
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I think most of the reasons here are quite pointless, but yes, apple is trying to control the software developers in ways which result in making a majority of apps paid.
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for me the biggest dissappointment was or is ...

1. Not been able to use Bluetooth to share media. (only use of bluetooth with this phone is to be able to use headphones)..........crap

2. Unexpandable memory.....with memory cards going cheap faster that the phones itself, you definately might want to have expandable memory option open.

3. The inability to function as a modem (or, more to be accurate, to act as an internetworked computer capable of sharing its connection).


rest no.... FM, supposedly poor camera, no video recording (atleast not inbuilt) are few other though marginal letdowns.......

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Of course, irrespective of what I or anyone for that matter says, haters will hate. So, continue...
Seldom used.....???? I think the most used feature with all the phones with every media capability hovering around is the Bluetooth filesharing..............which with iphone you cant use for any file transfer between phones.......pretty serious if you ask me.

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those who have been tracking my critisizm of iPhone know what that line means

One of my roommate here who is Vodafone postpaid user wanted to buy iPhone due to it's flaunting factor. Yesterday night I told him about it's flaws & now he is buying W960i. It is costly else I would also buy it, but now thinking between N82 or SE G900
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^^same here....i would get it too if it was abt 10k
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21k , i thought we might also get it at 8k.
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