Next-gen iPhone spotted in the wild?

[kirangp]

Well here's an interesting one. French iPhone blog iPhon.fr got these pics from an anonymous and unverified source, and while there's no way of telling if the shots are legit, they certainly have a truthy ring to them. They follow what we know so far about the shape, size and color of the upcoming 3G iPhone, and while there's always the possibility of knockoff, a Photoshop job, or some other evil plot to mislead us, we're certainly not going to discount these shots entirely in the runup to iPhone's second coming.


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[entrana]

looks cool

[aryayush]

No, it doesn't, at least not as good as the current iPhone. Plus, the screen looks smaller. The last thing the iPhone needs is a smaller screen.

Maybe it will look better if photographed properly or actually seen in person.

In any case, I think it's just another baseless rumour. That looks like a Chinese knock-off to me.

1. There's no way someone untrustworthy enough to actually photograph and post the iPhone on the Internet is going to be trusted with an actual unit. No chance. The software department working on Apple products doesn't know what the hardware looks like and vice-versa. Do you really expect some random nobody to be able to lay their hands on it? No chance.

2. If this dude did have access to the second generation iPhone, wouldn't he have wanted to take a video of the interface being used, etc.?

3. The back seems to be plasticky. No Apple product uses that kind of material for the back. Apple always prefers to use (shiny) metals.

Think, guys, think.

[jagadeesh.k750i]

bad thing of i phone is only 2mp camera with no flash.

[aryayush]

And it happens to be the most popular camera-phone on flickr right now, so clearly the camera is among one of the better ones out there. Even the 5MP cameras on the N95 don't exactly take print quality pictures, so what's the point of clicking huge 5MP pictures and wasting space?

[iMav]

^^ dude, goobi himself on his blog has more often than not said that the iphone cam is useless

[aryayush]

No, he hasn't. He said the pictures are not as good as they would've been had they been shot in better lighting conditions and/or with a proper digital camera.

No one disputes that.

The iPhone camera is very poor. But so are cameras on all phones. Among phones, however, it's one of the best ones around. It may not have Carl Zeiss optics or 5MP or some fancy autofocus stuff, but when it comes to taking pictures, it does a decent job, specially in well-lit conditions.

Just check out my Goa pictures. They're pretty good.

[Hrithan2020]

@aryayush
I agree that the current generation of camera phones(so to speak) can't compete with the an average(under 10 K) POS camera.But I disagree with ur statement that iphone is "one of the best" camera phones around.(Maybe the best 2 MP camera phone).Definitely the 2 MP would be enough for most users,but its picture quality under some conditions(as u said,except well lit conditions) is pathetic.Also very few options to customise and i do feel that autofocus makes a difference in certain situations(Flash is a v.good feature too).While it might be enough for most consumers I am not satisfied with its quality.In fact,a good camera is one of the features i would like to have on next iphone.

Really have doubts whether the phone in the pic is the real next-gen iphone.Would sure like to have a bigger screen.

[ico]

I just have one question......Why there is so much of fake fuss about iPhone??

Even though I like its interface, but just it is from Apple - the makers of iPod - people are making so much fuss about it.

No-one here posts about next generation {any SE or Nokia mobile} spotted in the wild as a news........

And yeah, Ayush:
I played with the iPhone of my father's friend for about an hour and did take a few pictures.....
And the camera is okay but not that great....Apple should improve its Post Processing.

Originally Posted by aryayush

And it happens to be the most popular camera-phone on flickr right now, so clearly the camera is among one of the better ones out there.

No way!!!

Though people may like to post pictures of their iPhone because those photographs have been taken through iPhone - the 1st & only phone manufactured by Apple......

[dheeraj_kumar]

@OP

You make it sound like a UFO spotting xD.

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by Hrithan2020

But I disagree with ur statement that iphone is "one of the best" camera phones around.(Maybe the best 2 MP camera phone).Definitely the 2 MP would be enough for most users,but its picture quality under some conditions(as u said,except well lit conditions) is pathetic.

Again, the megapixels have nothing to do with the quality. Nothing at all.

I'm not saying I disagree with you. There maybe a lot of phones with cameras better than the iPhone's. My point is that the camera on the iPhone is pretty good too, one of the best around.

Originally Posted by Hrithan2020

Also very few options to customise

Correction: No options to customise. None at all.

That is what I love most about it. There's just one button. You click on it and it takes a decent picture. That's it. I love it.

Originally Posted by Hrithan2020

i do feel that autofocus makes a difference in certain situations

Yes, it does.

Originally Posted by Hrithan2020

Flash is a v.good feature too

For a camera, yes. For a phone, not quite. The thinness of the phone and better battery life are much more important than the presence of a flash, in my humble opinion.

Originally Posted by Hrithan2020

In fact,a good camera is one of the features i would like to have on next iphone.

I don't care either way. Even if the iPhone's camera was crappy and useless, I wouldn't have cared.

Originally Posted by gagandeep

Why there is so much of fake fuss about iPhone??

Even though I like its interface, but just it is from Apple - the makers of iPod - people are making so much fuss about it.

No-one here posts about next generation {any SE or Nokia mobile} spotted in the wild as a news........

Exactly, because no one cares. You've answered your own question. Apple's products, and not just the iPhone, are hyped and talked about because people have high expectations and are excited about the prospects of their products, and the products deliver. Sure, there will always be the cribbers who'll focus on what the products don't have, but the buyers get 100% satisfaction from their purchase and they start waiting for the next upgrade.

iPhone is the most hyped phone out there because it is the best consumer gadget on Earth right now. It deserves all this adulation.

Originally Posted by gagandeep

No way!!!

Though people may like to post pictures of their iPhone because those photographs have been taken through iPhone - the 1st & only phone manufactured by Apple......

Glass is half empty. Either way, the fact remains that the iPhone is the most popular camera-phone on flickr right now. It might not be the best one, but it certainly is no slouch either.

[dreamcatcher]

Originally Posted by aryayush

Glass is half empty. Either way, the fact remains that the iPhone is the most popular camera-phone on flickr right now. It might not be the best one, but it certainly is no slouch either.

k850 or n95/n82 has a million pics on flickr more than the iphone..and yea..the iphone cam is crap..thats y i wont part with my SE once i get one..

[ico]

Originally Posted by aryayush

Glass is half empty.

Nope, its half full.....

Originally Posted by aryayush

Correction: No options to customise. None at all.

That is what I love most about it. There's just one button. You click on it and it takes a decent picture. That's it. I love it.

In other phones too we have to just press one button and they take a decent picture. If we want to customise, only then customise otherwise not.
And we love both the ways.....

[net_addict]

@aryayush : u appear smart enough to understand that u make no sense when u keep saying the SAME thing over and over again .

[ring_wraith]

Originally Posted by aryayush

No chance. The software department working on Apple products doesn't know what the hardware looks like and vice-versa.

How can you possibly know this? It sounds totally impossible to me.

Software Engineer #1: How big is the screen again? I need to know if this App is going to be easy to use.
Software Engineer #2: Beats me.
Software Engineer #1: Meh.

[aryayush]

They don't know what the hardware looks like, but they do get to use prototypes and know all the specifications. When the iPod was being developed, the software engineers would test the software on large shoeboxes with all the circuitry inside and the screen stuck on it.

That's the level of secrecy that goes on at Apple, which is why rumours are almost always false. Only the extremely top brass at Apple knows all the details about upcoming products—people like Phil Schiller, Jonathan Ive and a chosen few of their level.

Trust me, I've read a lot about Apple and their culture and about Steve Jobs. If anyone on this forum is in any position to know about this stuff, it's me.

[ring_wraith]

Please tell me the shoeboxes thing is an analogy.

[aryayush]

LOL!

Read this story. Just search for "shoebox" on that page and read that paragraph. It turns out that they did more than just disguise it as a shoebox.

In order to avoid industrial espionage, Ive only let people outside the iPod and design teams see the iPod in a shoebox-sized enclosure to prevent any spies from seeing the innovative form factor before it was released. To add to the confusion, the scrollwheel and play controls were moved around the box with each revision.

[ring_wraith]

Apple sure does piss off its engineers.

[MetalheadGautham]

*yawn*

yet another cheap publicity stunt or yet another prank from yet another photoshop/gimp junkie.

Next ?

[m-jeri]

actually yeas its true.... i hve heard this also...lots of things..that mac-win episode in 80s..which lead to Microsoft the one big mistake in the world of s/w was enough for apple...

Steve is actaully adamnt abt it....actually engineers dont care...its the integration engineers who are in hell...this practise is in lotsa companies nowadays...medical apps...guidance systems..lots of places...

actually s/w fellows only need the spec sheets..they dont have to see the screen they only need the resolutions..lol...

[krazzy]

Originally Posted by aryayush

Even the 5MP cameras on the N95 don't exactly take print quality pictures

Does too. I've seen the print-outs of N95 camera pics and they were as good as any digital camera out there.

Originally Posted by aryayush

so what's the point of clicking huge 5MP pictures and wasting space?

You don't necessarily have to click at 5mp every time. You can reduce the resolution if you're short of space. You can click pictures at 2mp in N95 but you cannot click pictures at 5mp in iPhone.

And please don't compare the camera of N95 with the iPhone's. iPhone's camera maybe good but it's nowhere near to the one in N95. It's like comparing Maruti 800 with a BMW. You do reach your destination in both the cars. But the experience you get is different in each of them and cannot be compared.

[ax3]

looks like a "Made in China" maal ......

[Hrithan2020]

Originally Posted by aryayush

Again, the megapixels have nothing to do with the quality. Nothing at all.

I agree,but my point is that if u compare i phone's camera quality with say, k 810 i(with 2 mp enabled),then overall k 810 i would win esp regarding underexposed photos.Thats why i said I phone may be the best 2 mp camera phone coz it cant compete & win against many higher mp camera phones.

Originally Posted by aryayush

That is what I love most about it. There's just one button. You click on it and it takes a decent picture. That's it. I love it.

U can do that with other phones if u need,but with customisation u may get better pics than without customisation.

Originally Posted by aryayush

For a camera, yes. For a phone, not quite. The thinness of the phone and better battery life are much more important than the presence of a flash, in my humble opinion.

Having a xenon flash doesnt dramatically decrease battery life unless u r taking loots of photos without lights.My k 810 i is thin (thinner than k 800 & k 790) & has a pretty good battery life too.

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by Hrithan2020

U can do that with other phones if u need,but with customisation u may get better pics than without customisation.

That's why people like me try to customise and end up with crappy pictures. The default settings are pretty much useless anyway, so customisation is not optional—it's a prerequisite for taking good photos on these phones.

You guys just don't get the Apple philosophy. Customisation is exactly what the company tries to avoid in its products, because while 20% of the users might get better results with all sorts of tweaks and stuff, 80% of them just ruin the thing. Apple strives to make it as easy as possible for the 80%. And you might not appreciate it, but the fact is that Apple's products do a better job at what they do because of this philosophy.

The iPhone doesn't do some things: video recording, 3G and whatnot. But the things it does, it does better than most (if not all) others. It let's you surf the Internet like no other phone does, it lets you actually use email on the phone like it's supposed to be used, it plays your music and videos well enough that you'll actually use it often, it works just swell as a phone and it takes good pictures. Maybe not the best of the bunch, but it doesn't do a poor job. And it lets you do it at the click of a button.

That's all I want from my gadgets. They should just work. Call me a fanboy if you will, but I'm fully acclimatised to Apple's philosophy and have no problem with my phone not being able to do with a 6600 can do. I knew what it doesn't do when I bought it. I'm more concerned with the fact that what my phone does do, it does better than any other phone out there. That's all I need.

Originally Posted by Hrithan2020

Having a xenon flash doesnt dramatically decrease battery life unless u r taking loots of photos without lights.My k 810 i is thin (thinner than k 800 & k 790) & has a pretty good battery life too.

Yeah, that's because it does not have a lot of the things the iPhone has, the most primary of which is the screen. Like I said, I think that things like the screen are far more important on a mobile phone than a flash. You've got to prioritise and compromise everywhere. No product has everything you want. You just have to choose the product that has the right priorities and does the right compromises according to your needs. If a camera is an important feature of a mobile phone, maybe the iPhone isn't for you. I needed a phone that I can watch videos, surf the Internet and check my email on and the iPhone, according to me, best suits my needs. Your mileage may vary.

[Hrithan2020]

Originally Posted by aryayush

That's why people like me try to customise and end up with crappy pictures. The default settings are pretty much useless anyway, so customisation is not optional—it's a prerequisite for taking good photos on these phones.

It really comes as a surprise to me that customisation is so difficult,the options (except maybe the focus options ie macro & infinite,are rather easy to follow).All the options are pretty self-explanatory.Besides,even if i set all to auto,i get a good quality picture.Dunno with other phones though.

Originally Posted by aryayush

The iPhone doesn't do some things: video recording, 3G and whatnot. But the things it does, it does better than most (if not all) others.

Have to agree with u on that.And the missing features would come in future.(but who needs 3g in india anyway,but support bluetooth headsets would be good)

Originally Posted by aryayush

Yeah, that's because it does not have a lot of the things the iPhone has, the most primary of which is the screen. Like I said, I think that things like the screen are far more important on a mobile phone than a flash. You've got to prioritise and compromise everywhere. No product has everything you want. You just have to choose the product that has the right priorities and does the right compromises according to your needs. If a camera is an important feature of a mobile phone, maybe the iPhone isn't for you.

Good point.So u agree camera is not that good.But what i want to stress upon is that i phone can be made better by satisfying the requirements of ppl like me(who are looking for a convergence device:good video+music player+camera+phone).No phone is perfect,but i phone has better chance of perfection now that they have created such a good touch interface & user base.

[aryayush]

Again, yes, it can be equipped with those things, but to accomplish that, Apple will have to make a thicker (and probably even heavier) iPhone.

I don't think they're ever going to do that, nor do most iPhone customers want them to.

[ring_wraith]

Originally Posted by Hrithan2020

It really comes as a surprise to me that customisation is so difficult,the options (except maybe the focus options ie macro & infinite,are rather easy to follow).All the options are pretty self-explanatory.Besides,even if i set all to auto,i get a good quality picture.Dunno with other phones though.



Have to agree with u on that.And the missing features would come in future.(but who needs 3g in india anyway,but support bluetooth headsets would be good)



Good point.So u agree camera is not that good.But what i want to stress upon is that i phone can be made better by satisfying the requirements of ppl like me(who are looking for a convergence device:good video+music player+camera+phone).No phone is perfect,but i phone has better chance of perfection now that they have created such a good touch interface & user base.

You know, you do have a point there. The iPhone is a great base to reach towards the perfect phone.

[Hrithan2020]

Originally Posted by aryayush

Again, yes, it can be equipped with those things, but to accomplish that, Apple will have to make a thicker (and probably even heavier) iPhone.

I don't think they're ever going to do that, nor do most iPhone customers want them to.

Let's see.I think its inevitable that i phone will go on to support all the features it missed at a later time when they dont have to compromise much of lightness.