Time To Abolish Software Patents?

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

Originally Posted by iMav

if u really think that software patents are given for such things then only God can help u

Complex software is nothing but large collection of simple math ...

And i just gave an example........ I mean't the same .. patents for sill stuff is foolish .. cant understand ?? fine .. who cares ..! Praka gets the point that's good enough !

Originally Posted by Every Innovator

A person spends all time and effort to invent something only later to find out its patented ! LOL ! that sucks

hey everyone hates that case not only software guys !

I think if some one else discovers he should also get the patent and both should share royalty.
patent stuff are kept secret .. so no way other people get to know how things work.

[MetalheadGautham]

screw you guys for not understanding FOSS. It is not connected with patents in any way. And FOSS guys are not anti patent parties. I for example support both, but the former should be controlled. Do you even know what FOSS is ? FOSS (atleast OSS) is about community resources in software, which is software that can help everybody and is owned by the community as a whole. It is for universal developement rather than commertial. Don't talk about things you don't understand.

And one major flaw in patents: If one person achieves something by hard work and patents it, it prevents another person from doing a similar thing even if he too innovated and worked all by himself. There is no way to check the truth and hence the first one to do something wins. Lets take a paradox where the same AAC which was invented by the MPEG group is again re-invented by another person many years later. He would still have no rights over his invention.

One main reason why patents should exist: Patents are like rights to enjoy one's hard work. Without them there will be no incentive for hard work. I fully support patents. If they don't exist, there will be no more pleasure in reserch. Screw people who want to ban patents. They can be made more fool proof and careful granting can be enforced, but not anything beyond that.

[infra_red_dude]

Entertaining discussion going on here. People trying to bring in Apple/MS/FOSS/Linux in software patents! coool!

Those in the FOSS community who believe patents should be abolished are, imho, non-contributors who think they are the messiah of F/OSS (don't flame me, its only my belief as 100% of those I've seen/met/interacted fall in this category). All those who think that everything in this world should be free and open-source are fools.

All those who think GNU/Linux uses most features copied from other OS' then its true to a certain point (UNIX), but I understand in this thread UNIX was not meant to be the source so I'd say that statement is utterly foolish! All that "eyecandy" being copied is not the real GNU/Linux. Its being copied coz casual users want it. These type of people are in the same category as above: fools.

Those who believe that "many F/OSS" software are reverse engineered apart from Drivers .. plz backup this statement.

IMHO Software patents should exist but the jury shouldn't be run by conked off @$$holes (as it is now). They'd give sfotware patents just like they did to things like: Basmati Rice!! They've made all kinds of patents a joke!

We need an international software patent committee headed by responsible people who review everything give correct decisions on patents.

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

Entertaining discussion going on here. People trying to bring in Apple/MS/FOSS/Linux in software patents! coool!

+1

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

All those who think that everything in this world should be free and open-source are fools.

+1 !

Why should we write software that some uses to make hell of profits in his business and i get nothing. I mean not always. Some Times i can give free if i really want to or if its needed.

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

All those who think GNU/Linux uses most features copied from other OS' then its true to a certain point (UNIX), but I understand in this thread UNIX was not meant to be the source so I'd say that statement is utterly foolish! All that "eyecandy" being copied is not the real GNU/Linux. Its being copied coz casual users want it. These type of people are in the same category as above: fools.

+1

Originally Posted by infra_red_dude

Those who believe that "many F/OSS" software are reverse engineered apart from Drivers .. plz backup this statement.

+1 .. guys here don't know reverse engineering of software happens in x86 Assembly and not C source code .. lolzz ! Also another thing is people trained in x86 assembly is very few. Find them at assembly community.

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

screw you guys for not understanding FOSS. It is not connected with patents in any way. And FOSS guys are not anti patent parties.

Then what was prakash saying? Stop using provokative language.

And one major flaw in patents: If one person achieves something by hard work and patents it, it prevents another person from doing a similar thing even if he too innovated and worked all by himself. There is no way to check the truth and hence the first one to do something wins

That's how patent works.

[FilledVoid]

Ths thread brings some interesting views on patents lol. First of all let me clear about my view. Patents are needed in my opinion. Theres a huge controversy of the allotment of patents. Alloting patents to software is kind of shaky cause of several factors. One is that certain techniques are actually awarded patents . I believe a good example would be Object Relationship Mapping, currently Red Hat has a law suit against it for use of it in one of its programs I recall.

In fact here you go: http://www.news.com/Red-Hat-sued-ove...3-6090307.html

Did you know that if youre in the US even use of a product that uses some other companies patented stuff makes the user also liable? (I always knew that cyber law course would prove useful somewhere ) I could basically even go on saying that if you did some project in class which implemented ORM then you're in violation of a patent also.

This isn't an issue about OSS , Mac, Windows, Dos , whatever . This is more an issue with some retards on the patent committee. And talking about ridiculous patents Net2Phone going after Skype over use of Point-To-Point Internet Protocol

[mediator]

Originally Posted by gx

The the developer should acknowledge the original author who patented the original idea, & come up with something better. The developer should find out or know whether his idea was already innovated by someone or not previously.

Originally Posted by gx

If any company whether it is OSS or Closed source uses the patented idea of some other company, then the original company has all the rights to sue. It is not allowed for the second company to use the original idea of 1st company to make money if it is the innovation of 1st company, 2nd company should pay the first company as the original company came up with the idea first.

.....many more

Joke of the DAY! Since when did they started patenting ideas? Gosh.....googling MS , wud have yielded something like Micro-sh1t then, since much of the 'ideas' on how an OS shud work came from mother of all OSes!!??

Originally Posted by gx

It seems to give problem to Pirates & OSS users only.

Ahem, n exactly how does it gives problem to pirates n OSS users? With its vague things-NOT-to-do-list n not explaining in clear terms what a person can do even an MVP might get confused. So I guess its a headache for genuine users too, chained to the 10 installation compulsion n the phone-a-"friend" thing subsequently!!

How many innovations do you see coming out of India or China in software section?

Are u even aware bt the outsourcing and RnD situation in INDIA?

U talk like MS, no wonder an MVP was made to cry! U think an innocent soul who'd like to contribute some program wud spend his precious time on searching the "ideas patent" book n laws n read the dirty things-to-NOT-do list (like MS-EULA) instead of freely nourshing his "idea"?? Guess someday students will sue each other for trying to use the same "idea" to pass the exam!!

Originally Posted by IRD

They'd give sfotware patents just like they did to things like: Basmati Rice!!

Talk bt yoga. Its like free n open source where everyone can excerise n modify it freely. But in US, I guess, it has become some sort of proprietary program!!

[MetalheadGautham]

@gx: you forgot to read why I support patents.

you see, Patents and FOSS can, should, will and have to co-exist as each have their own benifits. Whats this rubbish about going FOSS and abolishing patents ? We are not in China or Russia with such communist ideals.