Microsoft e-mails reveal Intel pressure over Vista

[The Conqueror]

As far back as 2005, Microsoft executives knew that confusing hardware requirements for the Windows Vista Capable program might get them in trouble. But they did it anyway--over the objection of PC makers--at the behest of Intel, according to e-mails released as part of a class-action lawsuit pending against Microsoft.
In early 2006, Intel's Renee James, vice president and general manager of Intel's software and solutions group, was able to prevail on Microsoft's Will Poole to change the proposed requirements for Microsoft's proposed "Vista Ready" marketing program to include an older integrated graphics chipset that couldn't run Vista's Aero interface. At the time, Intel was worried that it wouldn't be able to ship the more advanced 945 chispet, which was capable of running Aero, in step with Microsoft's proposed schedule for the introduction of the marketing upgrade plan.
This led to the creation of the "Vista Capable" logo, which is the reason Microsoft is now in court, facing a class-action lawsuit on the part of PC owners who bought so-called Vista Capable machines in late 2006 only to find those machines could only run Vista Basic, which doesn't feature the Aero interface. The potential for confusion was well-understood both outside the company, as noted here in this CNET News.com story from March 2006, and within the company, as multiple e-mail threads reveal.
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[NucleusKore]

Serves them right (both vendors and buyers).

[narangz]

^^Buyers? Do you mean those poor souls who are not geeks & spent on that intel crap must suffer?

[gxsaurav]

Time for Intel to face the consequences.

[NucleusKore]

Originally Posted by narangz

^^Buyers? Do you mean those poor souls who are not geeks & spent on that intel crap must suffer?

Yes, Intel is almost a monopoly isn't it?

[narangz]

Yes. It is.

Originally Posted by NucleusKore

Serves them right (both vendors and buyers).

But why should buyers suffer?

[NucleusKore]

Originally Posted by narangz

But why should buyers suffer?

Beware of monopolies, especially their tall promises. They ought to have known better.

[iMav]

i hope by this revelation anti-MS brigade tries and rationally understands that theres not just 1 product but a lot of other products & politics behind the scenes

[narangz]

Originally Posted by NucleusKore

Beware of monopolies, especially their tall promises. They ought to have known better.

Not everyone in this world is a geek! They use computers for entertainment, internet & work. You cannot expect everyone to know the technical details.

[naveen_reloaded]

pooor ms...

[NucleusKore]

Originally Posted by naveen_reloaded

pooor ms...

Yes poooooor $$$$$ MS

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by narangz

^^Buyers? Do you mean those poor souls who are not geeks & spent on that intel crap must suffer?

yes. and they are not poor souls.

Originally Posted by NucleusKore

Serves them right (both vendors and buyers).

yup

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Time for Intel to face the consequences.

depends. the court might even say that M$ could have rejected Intel's proposal. As long as there are no pr00fs of intel blackmailing M$, intel may get off

Originally Posted by NucleusKore

Yes, Intel is almost a monopoly isn't it?

not intel, but its x86 platform is a monopoly

Originally Posted by narangz

Yes. It is.

But why should buyers suffer?

because ignorance is NOT bliss.
To buy an LCD TV, I did 3 weeks of research.
To buy a DVD Player, I did 10 days of research.
To buy a wrist watch I did 4 days of research.
To buy a cricket bat, I did 5 hours of research.
Any purchase needs thought and hard work of the brain. If you are stupid, you die. Its that simple. Only the fittest survive, so Be Fit.

Originally Posted by iMav

i hope by this revelation anti-MS brigade tries and rationally understands that theres not just 1 product but a lot of other products & politics behind the scenes

we already know about different problems in M$. But one has to agree, this is a battle involving the top TWO biggest monopolies. It must be intresting, and the lawyers fighting the case will get rich even if they loose the case, and if they win the case, they might as well retire and swim in gold for all eternity

Originally Posted by narangz

Not everyone in this world is a geek! They use computers for entertainment, internet & work. You cannot expect everyone to know the technical details.

As I said before, research does not hurt. Anything we do must be a pre thought and carefully planned step. There is no ctrl + z in real life. You need to be sure of what you are doing so that you have no regrets later.

[narangz]

^^ These comments are not by you. They are by the geek in you You have the knowledge that is sole reason you are not understanding.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by narangz

^^ These comments are not by you. They are by the geek in you You have the knowledge that is sole reason you are not understanding.

I not understanding ?

You have no idea how I came to become a geek.
Once a small town n00b in Palakad knowing nothing but tamil and malayalam, and something about the local pleasures, it took me 2 years to get adjusted to learning hindi in Ahmedabad and 2 more to learn english comming to bangalore.

Now, I had the knowledge equivalent(or even a bit better) to that of the average non geek. Back then I know nothing of computers. I was an ignorant a$$hole. I used to see people talk about different programs and stare in wonder.

Though I had an old laptop from 1997 in which I played dos games, I got my computer only in 2005. It was not the geek inside me, but the curious guy I was, that awoke a desire to learn about computers, and that was 1.5 years back. Since 0.5 years, I am a hardcore geek. And that took me only one year.

Thanks to internet, I learnt fast, and tolerating the comments from the geeks from my peer group of being just an internet junkie, I got past them all and today I am where I am.

I never thought back in 1995 that I would know about computers one day and be a linux geek. All this just happened.

And looking at the time, 1 year, in which I got transformed to a hardcore geek froma n00b, that too without any support from friends or family, I doubt anybody will have to try hard to do something as mudane and simple as researching about a product they buy.

Edit: sorry for getting personal

[iMav]

and your point is?

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by iMav

and your point is?

just one thing: Learning Does Not Hurt

[iMav]

i meant with reference to the topic at hand

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by iMav

i meant with reference to the topic at hand

I was replying to narangz's statement "But Why Should Buyers Suffer...".