Reliance's DTH (Blue Magic\ BigTV) to use MPEG4?

[W i d e S c r e e N]

MPEG-4 COMPRESSION

Reliance's BlueMagic will use MPEG-4 compression, which will allow it to pack twice as many TV channels per transponder, compared to the older MPEG-2 technology deployed by DishTV and TataSky.

As a direct consequence, Blue Magic's 8 Measat, MPEG-4 deployed transponders can carry more channels than the 12 transponders on TataSky.

MeaSat-3 has 12 Ku Band transponders, and the Antrix-Measat agreement includes the option for Antrix to lease additional transponders, if required.

Maran's Sun Direct DTH has also deployed MPEG-4 compression.

MPEG-4 can be deployed on any satellite transponder, but requires MPEG-4 Satellite receivers which are currently not only in short supply globally, but also cost twice as much compared to MPEG-2 transponders. Most MPEG-4 satellite receivers are backward compatible, and can receive MPEG-2 transmissions. As a result, TataSky and DishTV have the option to deploy; in future; MPEG-4 STBs for (Bandwidth hungry) High Definition TV (HDTV) Transmissions, for Premium service customers.

Measat-3 @ 91.5° East
Freq Pol SR FEC Mode
12523 V 27500 3/4 MEPG-4
12563 V 27500 3/4 MEPG-4
12603 V 27500 3/4 MEPG-4
12643 V 27500 3/4 MEPG-4
12683 V 27500 3/4 MEPG-4
12683 H 27500 3/4 MEPG-4
12723 H 27500 3/4 MEPG-4
12723 V 27500 3/4 MEPG-4

http://www.bigtv.co.in/
http://reliancebluemagic.blogspot.com/
http://www.rdi-board.com/showthread.php?p=455071
http://bigtv.co.in/bigtv/Emailer/product_info.html

If it aint a practical joke, it could mean HD will come our way via Relaince and Sun's DTH. According to the BigTV webpage i'ts been launched? Is it available in ur area?

[Charan]

^^ the blogspot link was detected as phishing site by kaspersky.

[praka123]

^sun dth is using mpeg4 already

[W i d e S c r e e N]

@praka123,

do u use sun's service?

[praka123]

^Yes.pic quality is really better compared to sky.but the channel selection is bad.still have to wait for all bouquets and bird channels to be added

[appu]

Originally Posted by Charan

^^ the blogspot link was detected as phishing site by kaspersky.

kaspersky is identifying all blogs as phishing one...its some problem wit it....

thnks for the info W i d e S c r e e N

[W i d e S c r e e N]

@appu,
welcome. M just spreadin' news, but im disappointed with the response here.

@praka123, im sure they will have better channels coming months.
What outputs does sun's set top box carry apart from the s-video & "yellow, white and red" standard outputs?

[praka123]

@W i d e S c r e e N:yes,I sun dth is really good and they have added almost all popular tamil,hindi channels to their test (Not available) including bindaas etc channels.
the Set Top Box I got with Sun dth in kerala is made by homecast,a german company with cover written "digital mepg4 receiver".

this comes with RF ,S-video outputs and audio output(stereo) and optical audio out(some IECxx thing).

my uncle in Pala also got a Sun DTH connection and I have configured tuner card support to his win and ubuntu dual boot pc.

It is simple,the tuner card software(for eg: pinnacle pctv media) should be configured to show video input as S-video and audio as onboard audio.
U can record digital video(provided the card is digital,even analog one too rocks) .

Still opentv software update is not there in stb(that active khabar,sports,darshan etc in Sky) .waiting for the firmware update.
the signal strength here is 99%(kerala) and signal quality is 77%.

may be I'll copy paste "my guide fpr dth" I pmed to someone.

Originally Posted by me

I have configured Tuner card(internal analogue ) from Set Top Box of a DTH(SUN DTH) ie S-video output from it connected to S-video input of tunercard.
the audio out from set top box is connected to the audio input of onboard audio of PC(ie, line-in.connected with a cable with Left and right input pins and a combined one pin output connector to connect with input of onboard audio).

Now in the software,configure the input as the "tuner-card-name+S-video" and audio input as "onboard audio".
^open the TV player(Pinnacle pctv media that I configured) and select from bottom,the input as S-video.that's it.

and If u r using a cable connection,it is damn easy.there is no hassles as above,connect ur cable RF to the tuner input;then,just open ur tuner software and select audio input as onboard audio,video as "tunercardname+RFinput"
then there is an option for scan and select channels automatically.do that and wait the s/w to autoconfigure.thats all.

Why dont u start a thread in this forum dude?I am no windows expert(Linux I know something! ),there are ppl like vishal gupta etc who can help u much better .try that!

[rollcage]

Can wait for BigTV to be released but lets see what happens ..
Rel Communications has made fool of people earlier with big dreams.
dont know how it gonna turn out ..

heres the offer



and

BIG tv going to lunch on march2008............it wil cost 10,000-12,000.........Toshiba LCD tv, DTH equipments and 6 months subscription is free

for more details

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/2612670.cms

[nvidia]

Cool! Thanks for the info

[W i d e S c r e e N]

@parka123,

are u refering to this

HT800 PVR


http://202.60.70.84/$sitepreview/www...?SKU=HT8000PVR

* High Definition Digital TV Recorder
* Record 2 HD channels simultaneously
* Pause and Rewind Live TV
* 320GB HDD (record approx 30hrs HD & 100hrs SD)
* Picture in Picture
* Resolution 1080i, 720p, 576p, 576i
* Outputs: HDMI 1.2, Component YPbPr, S Video, CVBS, Optical SPdif
* Outputs via HDMI, Component, S-Video and CVBS Simulaltaneously
* Learnable remote control for basic TV functions
* Connect external hard drives & memory sticks via USB 2.0 inputs x 2
* Front USB2.0 port for easy access
* Lan 100Mbit Ethernet port provided for future applications
* Record timer for up to 50 events
* On screen installation guide for fast and easy first installation
* Main switvh for full power shut down
* 7 Day Electronic Program Guide
* Integrated Photo Slide Show viewer
* Download & Play MP3s on your TV

fckn awesome!

or

T2000


http://202.60.70.84/$sitepreview/www....asp?SKU=T2000

[praka123]

^NO!but look exactly as below(but mpeg4):



But in TN,they are giving coship CDVB6750 based receivers see below:


Not to mention that ALL SUN DTH RECEIVERS ARE BASED ONLY ON THE ABOVE 2 MODELS.
sun has given contract to these 2 korean/german companies for bulk STB's.
I think it will cost less than Rs500 for these STB's in bulk may be.
last read in BBforum that coship model is rejected by SUN and now they are giving only homecast STB's.

@widescreen: where are u from?TN?

I did a manual scan just now and got 9x,9xm,bindaas tv,bindaas movies etc.


edit:
here is my post on bbforum reg the same :
http://broadbandforum.in/sun-direct-.../2/#post153709

[utsav]

I never scan channels on my dishtv. evrything gets updated automatically including firmware.

[W i d e S c r e e N]

@rollcage,
can u post that link again?

@parka123,
Those STB looks better than the $hitty systems dishtv and tatasky use

What about HD then? Does Sun has plans?

@utsav,
Do scan manually, it helps clearing out the "TEST ##@#" **** on the list.

Do u get "youtube" picture quality on some channels?

[praka123]

^no idea reg hdvideo.dont expect such things from sun may be reliance big..

[W i d e S c r e e N]

^ if one goes thru what "rollcage" is saying it looks like BigTV is the way forward? Hope they dont disappoint.

Is BigTV related to BigMusic? Cause i've seen that logo before

[rollcage]

Originally Posted by W i d e S c r e e N

^ if one goes thru what "rollcage" is saying it looks like BigTV is the way forward? Hope they dont disappoint.

Ya may be .. actually Reliance always show you that sky is the limit ... we will give you this /... that .. in beginning .. and then when its released Booom

.. by the way heres that link again .. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/2612670.cms

{BIG tv going to lunch on march2008.......
.....it wil cost 10,000-12,000.....
....Toshiba LCD tv, DTH equipments
and 6 months subscription is free}

Is BigTV related to BigMusic? Cause i've seen that logo before

Ya.. its brining all those brand under one roof .. earlier Reliance DTH was called BlueMagic .. now BIG-TV
like BIG-FM .. and others if exist..

[W i d e S c r e e N]

@rollcage, thx for the link

For one, Reliance is in advanced talks with Toshiba to sign an agreement for about 15 million LCD TVs, to be given along with the DTH connection. The proposal deal stands like this: BIG DTH will offer its DTH connection for Rs 10,000-12,000 and the consumer will get a Toshiba LCD TV free along with the DTH hardware. Also, subscription will be free for the first six months or so.

Bharti, the other player that is also entering the DTH space, is also learnt to be lobbying for the implementation of CAS. The Bharti DTH project, is learnt to be ready to take off, but the company has decided to hold its launch, for a more opportune entry into the market.

Both players, Reliance and Bharti will combine their telecom services with DTH and IPTV and look at pushing both categories, and in turn cleaning out the cable market.

I think that LCD IS atleast 1280x720 res capable and that's why the "rent".
This only "confirms" one thing -HD in India, atleast by the end of this year?

@parka123, were u successful in upgrading that firmware, any +ve results?

[praka123]

^did u meant STB firmware?it is updated automatically via OTA(over the air) update.

[rollcage]

@W i d e S c r e e N
may be .. I suppose but actually getting a HD LCD TV for 10-12k with a DTH hardware looks too good to be true.
moreover may be this was just a marketing gimmick or another rumor.
I personally dont believe that gonna happen.
waise what you think what size of the LCD they gonna give if its any true..

as for now I think choosing MPEG-4 was a real big leap for Indian television broadcasting industry. I just wish they provide good quality hardware this time

3rdly what about the Internet ... we can expect to get high speed broadband also.

[W i d e S c r e e N]

maybe a 32'. sure it sounds like a too good to be true statement, but with reliance and the kind of capital they have got this dosent look an impossible task for them

But if look at the cost of an LCD monitor @ 20K I think u will get a full loaded 20-24' LCD with max resolution of 1920x1200+

MPEG4 is definately a good thing, I thought TataSky would use it when they initially started but wth.

Either they would use DTH or one fat fibere optic cable will come to the house that would do broadband+IPTV+telephony.?

[rollcage]

Originally Posted by W i d e S c r e e N

maybe a 32'. sure it sounds like a too good to be true statement, but with reliance and the kind of capital they have got this dosent look an impossible task for them

hmm may be but probably max we can expect is 32" in 10K..
huge capital ya they so .. they can play with economies of scale .. ha but they are cheaters nothing more.. u remember that LG - n100 they gave to people. I really dont beleive on Reliance Communications .. wasie bhi they are also not the best employers in india,

But if look at the cost of an LCD monitor @ 20K I think u will get a full loaded 20-24' LCD with max resolution of 1920x1200+

ya but how do that show the real HD // the true HD -
The HIGH-DIFINITION wont be visible till 42" or 52" I think
now there are 102" and 140" LCDs on shows on CES .. .. BBC Click showed that .. oh man .. what a tv

MPEG4 is definately a good thing, I thought TataSky would use it when they initially started but wth.

Either they would use DTH or one fat fibere optic cable will come to the house that would do broadband+IPTV+telephony.?

hmm ya but why cant wireless high speed satellite broadband ..

I dont think IPTV is the future ..

when we have a Dish Antenna in every home .. why send the cable to it.. that download link can be used for differnent stuffs.. telephony .. braodband .. TV .. and also WorldSpaceRadio just feel the future

[W i d e S c r e e N]

now if u talk about wireless I forgot about WiMAX.
a 20mb/s up and down is nothing new in this tech.

If they could do this, it will adress all the things u wanted and more!

I agree with u Reliance havent got any credibility spcly RCOM. Ofcourse they will loot the customers in the name of HD. That's what they do best.

about the lcd i was talking about PC monitors. A typical 32' LCD HDTV should cost anywhere between 39-49K?

[prasad_den]

I'm not sure about the source, but Reliance will be giving out a pathetic 19" LCD TV with their offer..!!

[ThinkFree]

I hate Reliance so doesn't matter how much innovative technology they roll out, I would try to stay away from them

[nvidia]

They are going to know out other players in the market with ultra low charges ...

[rollcage]

@W i d e S c r e e N
wi-max .. it was good but never been implemented..
there were constant news that BSNL testing it where is it ..noone knows

But I seriously think we can get satellite broadband also ..

waise anyone have a idea .. Is this thing functional in europe or usa? may be BSKY or DirectTV are already doing that may be

also .. the channels should be price on each channel basis ... not the package system. we have to pay fixed amount.. so what the difference. they implemented this in CAS so the same thing should be followed in DTH also.

TRAI .. is sleeping again

Originally Posted by asnvin

I hate Reliance so doesn't matter how much innovative technology they roll out, I would try to stay away from them

THATS THE SPIRIT

[naveen_reloaded]

can anyone explain me .... is this HD format???

or simply a better one than the current one dishtv is providing??

[Voldy]

Thanks for the news Widescreen

[rollcage]

Originally Posted by naveen_reloaded

can anyone explain me .... is this HD format???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...tshowcase.aspx

Satellite-based TV companies, such as DirecTV and Dish Network (both in North America), Sky Digital (in the UK and Ireland), Bell ExpressVu and StarChoice (both in Canada) and NTV Plus (in Russia), offer HDTV to customers as an upgrade. New satellite receiver boxes and a new satellite dish are often required to receive HD content.

If a DTH provider uses MPEG-4 .. he can provide better services .. than current MPEG-2 i.e. better than curent DIshTV n TataSky
If BigTV comes up with it .. then they will be able to provide more channels per transponder.
but you should also know that they (Tatasky - Dish) do have a option to shift to that high compression at future time.

You can say ... using HD XviD or VP70 instead of DVD.

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