El Jobso relaizes his developers arent as good

[iMav]

well he realized and knowing that third party developers are very important for success and couple that to the power of third party developers ...

Originally Posted by el jobso

Let me just say it:

We want native third party applications on the iPhone, and we plan to have an SDK in developers' hands in February. We are excited about creating a vibrant third party developer community around the iPhone and enabling hundreds of new applications for our users.

With our revolutionary multi-touch interface, powerful hardware and advanced software architecture, we believe we have created the best mobile platform ever for developers.

It will take until February to release an SDK because we're trying to do two diametrically opposed things at once--provide an advanced and open platform to developers while at the same time protect iPhone users from viruses, malware, privacy attacks, etc.

This is no easy task. Some claim that viruses and malware are not a problem on mobile phones--this is simply not true. There have been serious viruses on other mobile phones already, including some that silently spread from phone to phone over the cell network.

As our phones become more powerful, these malicious programs will become more dangerous. And since the iPhone is the most advanced phone ever, it will be a highly visible target. Some companies are already taking action. Nokia, for example, is not allowing any applications to be loaded onto some of their newest phones unless they have a digital signature that can be traced back to a known developer.

While this makes such a phone less than "totally open," we believe it is a step in the right direction. We are working on an advanced system which will offer developers broad access to natively program the iPhone's amazing software platform while at the same time protecting users from malicious programs.

We think a few months of patience now will be rewarded by many years of great third party applications running on safe and reliable iPhones.

Steve P.S.: The SDK will also allow developers to create applications for iPod touch.

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[Charan]

At last

[gxsaurav]

At last....so, what was the statement El Jobso gave?

"We don't want AT&T's west cost network to go down due to some application"

[aryayush]

I tell you this - iMav is a friggin' mystery to me.

This bit of news has not yet even hit the wire properly and he has already posted it! It's one thing for an Apple fanatic to follow the company obsessively but for a guy who is well known for disliking almost everything related to the company to do so is just insane.

I'm flabbergasted - honestly. These guys hate Apple. (No need to pretend that you don't.) And yet they have installed the OS they hate on their PC and have been using it for many months now and they follow Apple's moves like a dog follows a biscuit. I've no clue how their brains work!
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On topic: Finally!

Competition is a good thing indeed.

[iMav]

for the record i dont hate apple i hate their software and the stupid decisions taken by the baldy at the helm

[aryayush]

Oh, and someone does not know how to copy-paste stuff properly so that it is in a readable format. So here are the exact words, published as God intended them to be:

Third Party Applications on the iPhone
Let me just say it: We want native third party applications on the iPhone, and we plan to have an SDK in developers’ hands in February. We are excited about creating a vibrant third party developer community around the iPhone and enabling hundreds of new applications for our users. With our revolutionary multi-touch interface, powerful hardware and advanced software architecture, we believe we have created the best mobile platform ever for developers.

It will take until February to release an SDK because we’re trying to do two diametrically opposed things at once—provide an advanced and open platform to developers while at the same time protect iPhone users from viruses, malware, privacy attacks, etc. This is no easy task. Some claim that viruses and malware are not a problem on mobile phones—this is simply not true. There have been serious viruses on other mobile phones already, including some that silently spread from phone to phone over the cell network. As our phones become more powerful, these malicious programs will become more dangerous. And since the iPhone is the most advanced phone ever, it will be a highly visible target.

Some companies are already taking action. Nokia, for example, is not allowing any applications to be loaded onto some of their newest phones unless they have a digital signature that can be traced back to a known developer. While this makes such a phone less than “totally open,” we believe it is a step in the right direction. We are working on an advanced system which will offer developers broad access to natively program the iPhone’s amazing software platform while at the same time protecting users from malicious programs.

We think a few months of patience now will be rewarded by many years of great third party applications running on safe and reliable iPhones.

Steve

P.S.: The SDK will also allow developers to create applications for iPod touch. [Oct 17, 2007]

[iMav]

ok so where is the difference

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by iMav

for the record i dont hate apple i hate their software and the stupid decisions taken by the baldy at the helm

Yeah, well - that "baldy" is Apple. And I thought I expressly mentioned that there is...

Originally Posted by aryayush

No need to pretend that you don't.

Originally Posted by iMav

ok so where is the difference

People who care can spot the difference a mile away.

[gxsaurav]

People who care can spot the difference a mile away.

Can;t u see iMav, arya made the UI of the paragraph look good

[DigitalDude]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Can;t u see iMav, arya made the UI of the paragraph look good

rofl

[superczar]

And yet they have installed the OS they hate on their PC and have been using it for many months now

oh, i get it now....
Am not exactly sure of the current status of running OS X on non Apple x86 hardware, but from what I remember, it isn't very pleasant because of driver issues and conflicts

perhaps that explains the mystery

[iMav]

aa that sorry gizmodo had it like that and put it ... was in a hurry

[goobimama]

I tell you. "Why do iMav and gx use OS X" is a bigger mystery than the everlong philosophical question: Why are we here. No technologist, econimist, psychiatrist, foot surgeon can ever come up with an answer to that...

Now, for the SDK, yippee!!! And it will be just in time for when the iPhone is introduced in India!

I liked the artwork on gizmodo though:

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Can;t u see iMav, arya made the UI of the paragraph look good

Another big mystery is your obsession for all things ugly. What is wrong with properly aligned paragraphs, well spaced typeface, and other things that go with the word 'beauty'?

[iMav]

Originally Posted by superczar

oh, i get it now....
Am not exactly sure of the current status of running OS X on non Apple x86 hardware, but from what I remember, it isn't very pleasant because of driver issues and conflicts

perhaps that explains the mystery

there are driver isues but but on my basic machine there isnt hardware that conflicts or doesnt have appropriate mac drivers

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by goobimama

I tell you. "Why do iMav and gx use OS X" is a bigger mystery than the everlong philosophical question: Why are we here. No technologist, econimist, psychiatrist, foot surgeon can ever come up with an answer to that...

I use it for my workstation apps some of which are Mac only. Such as FCP & Shake. I don't even use it for anything else.

Another big mystery is your obsession for all things ugly. What is wrong with properly aligned paragraphs, well spaced typeface, and other things that go with the word 'beauty'?

Its not that I like ugly things, its the way arya said "the difference" when it is only aligned paragraph

[iMav]

o my freakin lord paragraphs are such an issue i wonder how do i even read the news paper or the magazines ..... o! ya i know u dont even read them u just look at the images .... and if the images are good then the mag is good ... raaabo fat being are u reading ... if u ever come up with a mac version put only images .... text doesnt matter ....

PS: i thought p0rn pix are the ones that dont need any sort of text but yeah as in massachusetts some ppl just get horny by the hardware pix

[superczar]

there are driver isues but but on my basic machine there isnt hardware that conflicts or doesnt have appropriate mac drivers

what setup are you running it on?

[iMav]

intel 865gbf
nvidia fx 5200
p4 3G
512 ddr

[superczar]

865gbf is fully supported ?
and what core is that P4?

Anyway, on a completely different note, I have tremendous respect for that can do- will do attitude when it comes to pulling workarounds when it comes to technology

been there-done that, esp when I was a budget constrained student.....
However, I find it increasingly difficult to spend time to such pursuits these days though (with notable exceptions like my latest carputer build)

Anyway, the tangential story apart, I somehow feel that the beauty of OS X (that lies in the fact that it simply works) is lost when you embark on a project like the osx86 , i.e. running OS X on non apple- non TPM hardware

With non apple harware without a TPM, there will be some or the other niggles here & there... a missing driver, some API call conflicts, maybe a few IRQ conflicts.....a nag here or there...and that kills the very reason OS X users love it for

[iMav]

single core ... and ya i guess its fully supported ... i installed using my onboard gfx adapter and my sound is working so ya its supported

[superczar]

no no....when I said core, I meant Prescott/williamette/Northwood and the ilk

[alsiladka]

Man, poor AT&T network, its gonna come down so quickly now. Damn the 3rd party apps. Uhh Mr.Job, why the sudden turnaround?

Although the move is excellant, but why the hell so late? Didnt they trust their product to do well without it, or rather as they had though it would?

[iMav]

prescott

[superczar]

actually you replied while i was editing my previous post,
and the thread scrolled over to the next page
was waiting to hear back from you on these thoughts...

Anyway, on a completely different note, I have tremendous respect for that can do- will do attitude when it comes to pulling workarounds when it comes to technology

been there-done that, esp when I was a budget constrained student.....
However, I find it increasingly difficult to spend time to such pursuits these days though (with notable exceptions like my latest carputer build)

Anyway, the tangential story apart, I somehow feel that the beauty of OS X (that lies in the fact that it simply works) is lost when you embark on a project like the osx86 , i.e. running OS X on non apple- non TPM hardware

With non apple harware without a TPM, there will be some or the other niggles here & there... a missing driver, some API call conflicts, maybe a few IRQ conflicts.....a nag here or there...and that kills the very reason OS X users love it for
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[iMav]

ya well its just blah blah an excuse to try and convince a lot of ppl who tried os x on non apple machines and decided to turn away form purchasing an apple product at the same time i do agree that os x is tuned for specific hardware much like dell or hp who a lot of times tune hardware drivers to suit their machines but im not saying that os x is faulty at the core (my level computer knowledge forbids me from doing so) however i can comment on what the os x has to offer and the way it works and that will not change whether i use an apple machine or a normal pc which basically is from the same hardware and using it on my machine i can try out almost every apple software out there ya iv even dwnldd the crappy iwork 08

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by alsiladka

Man, poor AT&T network, its gonna come down so quickly now. Damn the 3rd party apps. Uhh Mr.Job, why the sudden turnaround?

Although the move is excellant, but why the hell so late? Didnt they trust their product to do well without it, or rather as they had though it would?

I am pretty sure that an official SDK for the iPhone has been in the works ever since the beginning. They just wanted to keep it a surprise and only announce it (with a huge event or something) when it was finished. But the pressure from the hackers and customers mounted so much that the iPhone's reputation was taking a hit. So Steve decided to let people know that it is in the works and is coming soon.

That's my theory anyway.

Originally Posted by iMav

ya well its just blah blah an excuse to try and convince a lot of ppl who tried os x on non apple machines and decided to turn away form purchasing an apple product at the same time i do agree that os x is tuned for specific hardware much like dell or hp who a lot of times tune hardware drivers to suit their machines but im not saying that os x is faulty at the core (my level computer knowledge forbids me from doing so) however i can comment on what the os x has to offer and the way it works and that will not change whether i use an apple machine or a normal pc which basically is from the same hardware and using it on my machine i can try out almost every apple software out there ya iv even dwnldd the crappy iwork 08

@superczar
Basically, they are forced to stick with Windows for one reason or the other and therefore, they don't like the fact that Mac OS X is better so they keep cribbing about it to make themselves feel better.

If you'd known them and read the utter bullshit they post for as long as I've done, you'd know that I speak the truth.

Anyway, let's move on to better topics. This is very controversial.

[iMav]

we are forced to use windows man where are those laughing smileys we are forced any 1 tell u the options and flexibility pc uses have as compared to mac boys we are forced

[goobimama]

@gx: Yes. Aligned paragraphs make all the difference. If they didn't, then wedding invitations would look like a newspaper. And all book covers would be some plain paper with the title written in bad handwriting. Typography is what makes design work. If it (among other design elements) didn't, there wouldn't be a job for a designer....

Mods, please remove this 'theme' for the forum. The winboys seem to want ugly times new roman typeface with no proper organisation for posts or anything else. Ugly is the best way to go...

[alsiladka]

Originally Posted by aryayush

I am pretty sure that an official SDK for the iPhone has been in the works ever since the beginning. They just wanted to keep it a surprise and only announce it (with a huge event or something) when it was finished. But the pressure from the hackers and customers mounted so much that the iPhone's reputation was taking a hit. So Steve decided to let people know that it is in the works and is coming soon.

What would you like to say to this comment then if they were working on the SDK from the start (which i believe they did) -

"We don't want AT&T's west cost network to go down due to some application"

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by aryayush

I am pretty sure that an official SDK for the iPhone has been in the works ever since the beginning. They just wanted to keep it a surprise and only announce it (with a huge event or something) when it was finished. But the pressure from the hackers and customers mounted so much that the iPhone's reputation was taking a hit. So Steve decided to let people know that it is in the works and is coming soon.

Assuming your theory is correct, then Steve Jobs is a big liar . First her said there is no SDK required & it doesn't exist, Web 2.0 apps are the way to go....& now he is saying that there will be a SDK, Steve Jobs can't be trusted anymore.

Basically, they are forced to stick with Windows for one reason or the other and therefore,

Did u say "forced". Its u who is forces to use Mac the way it exists. Can't change the colour theme, Icon font, menubar colour.....we both can install whatever X86 OS we like on our machine, whether pirated or legal, whose forced here?