Microsoft admits failure on Vista patches

[anandk]

Microsoft admits failure on Vista patches
XP better patched that Vista after launch

"A Microsoft security executive has released data showing that, six months after shipping Windows Vista, his company has left more publicly disclosed Vista bugs unpatched than it did with Windows XP.

In total, Microsoft has patched 12 out of 27 disclosed Vista vulnerabilities in the six months after it first shipped last November. During XP's first six months, Microsoft's security team patched 36 out of 39 known bugs..."

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/inde...SS&NewsID=9820

[goobimama]

Very contradictory articles you are posting Anand...

[iMav]

u know windows guys are not fanboys they post the truth and only thetruth unlike the mis-leading fanboys of other os

[goobimama]

I forgot to put a "Smiling" smiley there...

[iMav]

dont worry we are all smiling ... just truth the funny way

[rakeshishere]

Mhhh...I never Knew These Guys keep a Track Record of No of Patches released and Bugs fixed

[Sykora]

Originally Posted by iMav

u know windows guys are not fanboys they post the truth and only thetruth unlike the mis-leading fanboys of other os

I find this kind of statement very irritating. Without calling myself a linux fanboy, I think it highly unfair to say that linux users (I don't know about Mac) aren't telling the truth, when the source code for all they do is out there. I don't want to start a fight like the other thread, it's just...I don't know -- irksome.

[gxsaurav]

Oh comon, stop the old bull**** that the source code is out there. How many consumers understand that code anyway?

[Sykora]

It's the truth. It's certainly not the programmer's fault that they don't understand it.

[iMav]

skyora why do i feel the presence of a guilty consience in this thread

PS if ur not a fanboy why are u irked by the statement unless of course things are otherwise

[amitava82]

Guess who started the "fanboy" word in this thread? Actually there are some guys in this forum who starts provocative statements in the first place so that they could start a fight... Thats kinda fanboyish attitude and Trolling around..

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by Sykora

It's the truth. It's certainly not the programmer's fault that they don't understand it.

Just try to leave this philosophy behind. "You want a feature? Ok code that feature." Wow what a logic, i m not a developer but a consumar,...go tell this to a consumar that "You want a feature in some IM Client, well code it" achcha khsa sunaega woh wapas & will switch to WIndows or Mac.

Originally Posted by amitava82

Guess who started the "fanboy" word in this thread? Actually there are some guys in this forum who starts provocative statements in the first place so that they could start a fight... Thats kinda fanboyish attitude and Trolling around..

:Yawn: like that makes a difference for Linux users to try understanding the goods of Windows. They just won't. They have a philosophy set & can't look beyind that.

End of posts

[infra_red_dude]

oh just stop it you three!!! enough of this! imav, there was no need to make proactive statements and Sykora, there was no need to get irked!!! all the threads are starting to haf the same fate after 2-3 posts... turn into a fight club thread! disgusting!!!! how many actually read the post? and how relevant are ur posts to the topic??! think abt it...

why dun see this interesting fact that vista's had only 27 vulnerabilities as compared to 39 in XP during the first 6 months??

[faraaz]

Which goes to show that Microsoft's standards for patching their sh!t are slipping and its further proof that my decision to shift to Linux from Winblows was a good one...

[Sykora]

I feel irked because I know many people who put a lot of work into open source software, in order to make a product better, and I feel bad that there are people who say that they are liars, or are misleading about what they do.

I am not a fanboy, you may choose to believe it or not, but I am posting this from vista, using IE. You see that the first thing I install on a new computer is Windows, I am not confident enough in my expertise in Linux to attempt it as an only-OS.

In several linux forums, I have tried to reason with hard-core open source who routinely talk about microsoft with distaste, that it isn't such a bad company. Many of them are quite one-tracked, and refuse to believe in anything else, other than Microsoft exists solely to remove the last pennies from their pocket. Here, it seems to be the reverse.

@gx : I'm not asking you to code a feature if it's not there. I'm saying that you can ask nicely for it, but not rant or rave if it doesn't get implemented. That's the cost of getting things free

Almost every Linux user has used Windows at least once. Note that I say 'almost' because I've never come across a linux user who has never used windows, such is its user-friendliness. That being the case, linux users become linux users because they understand the goods of windows -- or lack thereof, and decide to switch. Or maybe they don't want to pay for it. But make no mistake, we understand the goods.

All in all, I think we should agree to disagree. We can't convince you that you should be using FOSS, because that's what it's about -- freedom of choice. And you can't convince us to pay for something we don't want. But try not insult the efforts of many dedicated programmers -- except in the Fight club, where you're free to do whatever you feel like

I'm content to leave it at that.

EDIT : @Infra_red_dude : I didn't see your post there -- I certainly feel that Vista is _much_ more bug-free than XP. I feel way more comfortable using it than XP. The only thing that bugs me there is the graphics card driver issue, but that's nVidia's problem as far as I can see. If that's fixed, Vista would be awesome.

[anandk]

Originally Posted by goobimama

Very contradictory articles you are posting Anand...

the truth is the truth. two sides of the same coin !

fanboys see only one side and think that is the reality !

i prefer to see both the sides, and KNOWING so, enjoy what i have decided and chosen to enjoy !

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by Sykora

I feel irked because I know many people who put a lot of work into open source software, in order to make a product better, and I feel bad that there are people who say that they are liars, or are misleading about what they do.

I also feel irked that there are so many Microsoft developers, working day & night & coming out with world class softwares which lets the user work the way they want, but still Macboys & Linux users call there labour sh1t

I am not a fanboy, you may choose to believe it or not, but I am posting this from vista, using IE. You see that the first thing I install on a new computer is Windows, I am not confident enough in my expertise in Linux to attempt it as an only-OS.

so? what r u tryign to say.

@gx : I'm not asking you to code a feature if it's not there. I'm saying that you can ask nicely for it, but not rant or rave if it doesn't get implemented. That's the cost of getting things free

Thanx, now go tell this to the Eddie who told me "You want webcam feature in pidgin, well go & code it cos the developers don't find it important to include in there developement tree". What a gr8 logic.

[iMav]

why is every1 blaming me did i say anything that is not happening in this forum or every where ... vendetta against MS and its user everytime making statements that show windows users as inferior ... and then when me or gx posts anything comparing it to some other os they call us fanboys where as we post the good and the bad

and u r saying u r getting irked ... man get a life

[eddie]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Thanx, now go tell this to the Eddie who told me "You want webcam feature in pidgin, well go & code it cos the developers don't find it important to include in there developement tree". What a gr8 logic.

Bull***!!! You were first told about GyachI, aMSN and Openwengo but you still kept whining/ranting about having voice-video support in Pidgin. Then only you were told to go and code. If tomorrow a Linux user starts cribbing about Windows Live messenger not having Gtalk support or Yahoo! messenger not having ICQ support...can you even say that to him? Can you code Gtalk's support in Yahoo! messenger? "Go and code"? Do you have code of Yahoo! messenger? I want to include Gtalk support in it. Can you give it to me?

Get real you idiot! You were given good alternatives but you will never stop your rants!

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

"You want a feature in some IM Client, well code it" achcha khsa sunaega woh wapas & will switch to WIndows or Mac.

Mere ko Yahoo! messenger mein ICQ support chahiye. Dilwata hai kya? Idiot!

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by eddie

Bull***!!! You were first told about GyachI, aMSN and Openwengo but you still kept whining/ranting about having voice-video support in Pidgin. Then only you were told to go and code. If tomorrow a Linux user starts cribbing about Windows Live messenger not having Gtalk support or Yahoo! messenger not having ICQ support...can you even say that to him? Can you code Gtalk's support in Yahoo! messenger? "Go and code"? Do you have code of Yahoo! messenger? I want to include Gtalk support in it. Can you give it to me?

Mere ko Yahoo! messenger mein ICQ support chahiye. Dilwata hai kya? Idiot!

No Sorry, Yahoo Messenger & ICQ are closed source softwares. However Pidgin, GYachI, aMSN are all open source which means the functionality of GyashI can be easily integrated in Pidgin cos it is arleady there in the form of source code. If you give reason like "They don't have time" then you are talking nonsence. The text part of Pidgin is already complete since quite a long time.

[faraaz]

@gx: Dude, no offense, but why you such a Windows fanboy?

[gxsaurav]

Not a fanboy, just clearning out misconceptions which the Macboys & lingeeks spread about Windows, like prakash spreads FUD about DRM in Vista when it hardly affects anyone right now

[eddie]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

No Sorry, Yahoo Messenger & ICQ are closed source softwares.

Do I care what kind of source they have? I just want ICQ feature in Yahoo! messenger. Give that to me....nahi to accha khasa sunaunga & will switch to Linux

However Pidgin, GYachI, aMSN are all open source which means the functionality of GyashI can be easily integrated in Pidgin cos it is arleady there in the form of source code. If you give reason like "They don't have time" then you are talking nonsence. The text part of Pidgin is already complete since quite a long time.

Why is it nonsense? Do you know developers personally? Have you ever tried asking them why they are not doing it? (I have done it so don't even think about pointing the question at me) How can you say that text part is complete since a long time? Do you even know how many features they infuse every day in Pidgin? Pidgin developers have real life and they work on Pidgin as and when they want for FREE! If you don't like the alternatives being given...then you have two choices...A) Stop whining, or B) Infuse your own changes in the code. I don't understand how can anyone can make it clearer for you.

[faraaz]

I'm a recent convert to Linux so I may be misconstrued as a bit of a fanboy...but I'd just like to list out the reasons I shifted to Linux from Windows in the first place:

1) XP was very unstable. I got sick of getting booted to the desktop everytime I try to multitask.

2) XP was slow...

3) XP was a fscking pain to use thanks to all the viruses out there. I wanted to get out of the rat race of going on updating spyware, antivirus, defragging etc etc.

4) XP had horrible software. WMP was very unstable, Winamp used to mysteriously crash on me all the time.

5) Lack of customization and freedom to tinker with my system to get it running how I wanted.

Now, a lot of those reasons pro-Windows guys may find insufficient, or simply frivolous, so I would like to point out that these were the major irritants I faced and Beryl was the final nail in Windows' coffin!

I hope these reasons show that although you can start splitting hairs all day to defend Windows, at some basic levels, it just fails to be a satisfying OS.

[iMav]

what suits u better use it but yes those reasons are frivolous to say the least

there are members using windows w/o any antivirus software though i choose have 1 havent faced problems so my hair and many others' hair are quite intact

i must add here that because 1 isnt able to use something properly doesnt mean that the thing is flawed

[vish786]

@faraaz u should have tried ur luck in Vista since it has aero.

[faraaz]

@iMav: Sorry buddy, but I am very noob-ish when it comes to all this. I don't really care too much about all the technical details, and I sort of blunder through when it comes to any probs on the comp.

But I will say this...I like a flashy system, I like a fast system, and above all I want a stable system. My general impression was that Linux is all these things and more, Windows isn't...

@Vish: Aero is just a fancy window blinds theme with Linux's thumbnail preview feature built in..atleast, that's my uninformed nooby opinion!

Furthermore, having used Linux for almost a month now...I must say that when fully customized, it blows Vista out of the water...

[vish786]

ok one person is converted to linux now

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Originally Posted by faraaz

Furthermore, having used Linux for almost a month now...I must say that when fully customized, it blows Vista out of the water...

This is exactly what linux first timers say .

Eventually , they fizz out and face the reality .

[faraaz]

@Vish: Totally dude!! I wouldn't say I was a fanboy...but today, I managed to get USB working in XP which was running within Linux through VirtualBox. I then proceeded to hook it up so that my Nokia N80 which is totally incompatible with Linux as such can sync with the guest installation of XP.

This eliminated one MAJOR reason I was hanging on to my XP install cuz I take a LOAD of photos.

Another thing was I managed to get like 6 of my all time favorite games (Commandos 2, Baldurs Gate 2, Icewind Dale 2, Oblivion, System Shock 2 & Warcraft III) to work on my Sabayon install pretty painlessly through VirtualBox ('cept for Oblivion of course...that works in WINE). The point is...I am slowly adapting and I am booting into Windows less and less as each day goes by...

Edit:@Zeeshan: You'd think so...but beyond all the eye candy, Linux gives you heaps of extra functionality that Windows never can. The 4 desktops for one make multi-tasking a DREAM! Konqueror is totally integrated with the OS which Explorer in Vista is barely starting to approach right now. Extra panels may seem like a small thing, but I love having 8 panels on my desktop with each having a very specific set of icons. The list goes on and on and on...

PS: What's the reality?