Who says Vista is a flop????

kirangp · 27-03-2007, 01:14 PM

Windows Vista has only been out in general consumer release for a month, but already Microsoft is touting it as the best-selling version of Windows ever released. The company announced that Vista sales—licenses sold to PC manufacturers, copies sold to retailers, and upgrades ordered through the Windows Vista Express Upgrade program—have exceeded 20 million copies. Microsoft says that this is represents a "more than doubling" of the initial pace of Windows XP sales, which reached only 17 million in January 2002, after two months on the market.

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iMav · 27-03-2007, 01:33 PM

bole toh sahi hai bidu

nepcker · 27-03-2007, 01:33 PM

While attending a shareholder and Wall Street analyst conference in New York at the end of the past week, Ballmer told analysts to temper their “overly aggressive” Windows Vista forecasts. During the Financial Analyst Briefing - New York City, Thursday, February 15, 2007, Ballmer said: “I'm really excited on how enthusiastic everybody is about Vista. I, too, am very enthusiastic about Vista. But I think sometimes the enthusiasm about this great product and the excitement and the launch, people have to understand our revenue models because I think some of the revenue forecasts I've seen out there for Windows Vista in fiscal year '08 are overly aggressive.”

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shantanu · 27-03-2007, 01:47 PM

in 1.5% of total world population... and 3% are OSS users, means just half way in 2 months... and this proves that in one year it will be a huge hit, surely some people do critisize Vista , for many reason that are currenly being resolved, but the main thing is that Vista's Kernel is so powerfull that it will surely overtake the market in quite a small time...

Its the best i have experienced, cant say about anything else i have not used, but if MAC was better then why only 5.3% of whole worlds population uses it. and nearly 85 % in now windows XP and somewhat 7 % in other windows OS(win98, 95 & me) etc. while, the percentages i said above may varry by points per day, but approx. it this only... so everyone knows whats best...

cvvikram · 27-03-2007, 01:49 PM

Good Info...thanks for sharing

nepcker · 27-03-2007, 01:55 PM

In all fairness, while the reliability feedback might as well be better than Microsoft has predicted, the Vista sales are not. This because Steve Ballmer, on the same occasion as the operating system's launch, has revealed that Microsoft is expecting Vista to have an adoption rate double than that of Windows XP. But the fact of the matter is that Windows Vista has failed to outperform XP in terms of sales.

shantanu · 27-03-2007, 02:30 PM

your main reason to say this Mr. Nepcker is that you are a APPLE FANBOY, so go on.. i also learnt not to argue with fanboys,,,

amitava82 · 27-03-2007, 02:49 PM

when a product is monopolistic in nature, there is no point of arguing that it will be 'flop' or 'winner' because in this scenario its the 'product which controls the market Not the 'product'. So the result is obvious. because majority of the consumers don't have any choice.

iMav · 27-03-2007, 02:52 PM

hey shantanu let it be ... its 1-2 months its launched half the comps are not capable of running what lese does 1 expect ... the scene is gonna be different after 6 months ppl buying new pcs will certainly go for the vista (fanboys will comment that the cost is blah and customers will look at macs) but the MS mindset will prevail long ahead simply coz ... they offer a wider range of services such as xbox integration, zune, and all its all inter connected and thats how ppl like it ... integration between device ... so vista will stand tall as all MS OSs have over time

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Originally Posted by amitava82

of the consumers don't have any choice.

who says they dont have choice ... u can anytime opt for the mac or linux no 1 is holding a gun to ur head wen u buy a new pc saying that use vista or il shoot u

abhi1301 · 27-03-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mAV3

who says they dont have choice ... u can anytime opt for the mac or linux no 1 is holding a gun to ur head wen u buy a new pc saying that use vista or il shoot u

This is really AMUSING :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

amitava82 · 27-03-2007, 03:27 PM

Listen pal i don't have any intention to fight. whether u agree or not its a economic fact.. if you have little interest in economics then it will be easy for you to understand. what i said is "because majority of the consumers don't have any choice." . imho 90% of computer users dont know how to use linux. for many people mac is costly. For example in India people dont by PC equipped with 7600GT majority of people go for a pc ranging 15 to 25K. they dont even pay for OS. some of them don't know what piracy is or their mindset is "Why would i pay for a OS when i can copy for 50 bucks?" Don't forget its the "piracy" that lead Windows to Monopoly.

Let me give some practical example how i don't have any choice:

1. My trading company use "Microsoft virtual machine" applet for online trading system. they don't use Java which is open to all OS. because they think this world have only one OS. this is an effect of windows monopoly.

2. My bank's online payment service (HDFC) only works with Internet explorer.

3. I want to schedule a visa appointment with US embassy. its a online procedure. but their site only works with IE.

3. I can not play my favorite games in my linux box.

this is just few example out of hundreds. this is where i don't have any choice.

kirangp · 27-03-2007, 03:49 PM

From now onwards one thing is guarantee that most new PCs will be equipped with Windows Vista & hardly anyone would use XP....This was the same case when XP came out..It really picked up steam after 3-4 months of release & all due to laptops,branded PCs...

mediator · 27-03-2007, 04:16 PM

^Most new pcs may or may not be equipped with VISTA. "Guranteed".....doesn't fit ur statement!
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8382062536.html
http://www.techspot.com/news/24406-d...and-linux.html
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8999809360.html

Ankur Mittal · 27-03-2007, 04:27 PM

Unless the Windows Vista cracks are stopped Windows Vista is surely a flop.

kirangp · 27-03-2007, 04:28 PM

Well I should put my statement in a different way....Most users(upgrading or buying a new PC) will opt for a Windows Vista PC....This time I can add guarantee to it

gxsaurav · 27-03-2007, 05:36 PM

Ahem...so many misconceptions

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Originally Posted by amitava82

Listen pal i don't have any intention to fight. whether u agree or not its a economic fact.. if you have little interest in economics then it will be easy for you to understand. what i said is "because majority of the consumers don't have any choice." imho 90% of computer users dont know how to use linux.

So, whose fault is that

1) Is it PC Manufacturers? Who like to install an OS for there customars with maximum support available in terms of software & hardware drivers.

2) Is it the Linux community which despite of being good is yet not user friendly or feature based enough to excite the Average Joe. hell, he know how to use computer & for him an OS = Windows. Grow up dude, Windows is the standerd in OS out there, other brands & companies colloborate with it to work together. No one is beating anyone here. It is not the fault of MS .

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Originally Posted by amitava82

they dont even pay for OS. some of them don't know what piracy is or their mindset is "Why would i pay for a OS when i can copy for 50 bucks?" Don't forget its the "piracy" that lead Windows to Monopoly.

hmm, Piracy is a problem in India. What about Europe or U.S.A., it is not such a big problem there right? So why do people still buy Windows there & only a few try linux.

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1. My trading company use "Microsoft virtual machine" applet for online trading system. they don't use Java which is open to all OS. because they think this world have only one OS. this is an effect of windows monopoly.

Wait wait, so? you are getting your work done, what do u care for? Doing your work or bashing the company for not using JAVA.

Oh & I don't think I need to tell u how slow Java is. If they use it & it is slow, still you will bash the company saying it is such a slow system. The company uses MS VM cos it is fast & just works with there machines or system out there fine. It is not there fault that Windows is fulfilling all there needs

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2. My bank's online payment service (HDFC) only works with Internet explorer.

Umm....so this is the fault of Microsoft that HDFC has not developed a standerd complient website? Wow, talk about blaiming someone else just so that you look good.

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3. I want to schedule a visa appointment with US embassy. its a online procedure. but their site only works with IE.

Again, is it the fault of MS? Yo dude, go talk to U.S. Embassy not to MS. They made a product now what the embassy uses is there decision. Why are you blaming MS for making a system that the embassy find suitable for there needs. Plz provide them a feedback. We did the same few years ago when the site of IGNOU had problems with Firefox

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3. I can not play my favorite games in my linux box.

Which is again a problem due to MS, right. U make me laugh

. That game is made for Windows operating system, obviously it won't work in Linux. Do you expect to use a honda unicorn tire in CBZ Extreme?

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this is just few example out of hundreds. this is where i don't have any choice

So, is this the fault of MS that Windows is the most dominent OS out there, which is supported by maximum number of users & caters the maximum number of market share for which the developers know that there product will sale?

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Originally Posted by meditator

^Most new pcs may or may not be equipped with VISTA. "Guranteed".....doesn't fit ur statement!

Again, it is the choice of manufacturers what OS they give. is it a fashion tto blame MS for everything?

There was a nuclear blast in Africa some days ago

, MS is to be blamed cos there OS which was running a bugged software from the Nuclear plant authority, crashed giving a BSOD.

if MS goes the Apple Mac way, closed system in which the hardware & software are fixed then trust me, Linux will roll on ground cos then the OS will be optimized for the hardware & full support for drivers etc with no crash.

amitava82 · 27-03-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gx_saurav

if MS goes the Apple Mac way, closed system in which the hardware & software are fixed then trust me, Linux will roll on ground cos then the OS will be optimized for the hardware & full support for drivers etc with no crash.

I completely agree with this point. Thats the whole point of MS Success, monopoly and Root of all the problem i've mentioned. 3rd party company don't bother to support other OS because they make enough money from 90% of world's PC users using Windows. And you can not force them to do that. its like "you don't want to use windows, don't use our product or don't ask for support". had the ratio been 50-50 the scenario would have been different. and thats we want to do. we just want support for our OS. we don't want to bury Windows. but believe me if this happens i.e., if we could do the same job in Linux or Mac like Windows, that will happen automatically.

gxsaurav · 27-03-2007, 06:45 PM

Well, like I said many times, Linux has no standerd yet. There are so many distributions to support by a company

mediator · 27-03-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Again, it is the choice of manufacturers what OS they give. is it a fashion tto blame MS for everything?

Can u point out where exactly I put the blame on MS here and for what?

gxsaurav · 27-03-2007, 08:04 PM

^^^^^^^

I didn't say u r blaming, i said it on a general thought here. Blame MS for everything, its not there fault that there products are so user friendly & widely accepted.

aryayush · 27-03-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gx_saurav

Do you expect to use a honda unicorn tire in CBZ Extreme?

That's quite easily possible actually.

shantanu · 27-03-2007, 08:21 PM

Windows is for improvement and technology enhancements, for proper learning and user friendly envoirment with lots of features and a great support, regular updates and Plus pacakages... a lot easier then anything...
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Linux or OSS are for productivity and Core developement..
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MAcs !!! they are just for ARYA YUSH

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PS: dont take it personally, its just a joke

amitava82 · 27-03-2007, 08:21 PM

i never said their products are not user friendly. They are user friendly compared to Linux. but they are over priced. don't u agree?

shantanu · 27-03-2007, 08:29 PM

no windows products are not overpriced... never...

remember it a Close source software , and not OSS... then they give you full support... look at macs.. what a MAc OS costs to you.. and then look at windows..

even you can run MACos on a PC, but running any other OS on a MAC is quite a headache with many Problem... and for that also Microsoft is releasing software to help Apple Cope up there losses...
Microsoft designs hardware for MAC, and software editions for MACs...

what does LINUX and MAC make for them??

aryayush · 27-03-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shantanu_webmaster

look at macs.. what a MAc OS costs to you.. and then look at windows..

The full fledged version of Mac OS X "Tiger" is cheaper than the cheapest, absolutely crippled and practically unusable version of Windows Vista.

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Originally Posted by shantanu_webmaster

even you can run MACos on a PC, but running any other OS on a MAC is quite a headache with many Problem

Actually, it is just the opposite.
"even you can run Windows and Linux on a MAC, but running MACos on a PC is quite a headache with many Problem"

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Originally Posted by shantanu_webmaster

and for that also Microsoft is releasing software to help Apple Cope up there losses...
Microsoft designs hardware for MAC, and software editions for MACs...

Make no mistake, Microsoft makes software for Mac because it is profitable for them. They are not running on losses to support Macs. LOL!

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Originally Posted by shantanu_webmaster

what does LINUX and MAC make for them??

Yeah, Linux developers should surely spend time and resources making software for Windows. After all, Microsoft is so helpful and co-operative towards the open source movement. LOL!

shantanu · 27-03-2007, 09:49 PM

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Actually, it is just the opposite.
"even you can run Windows and Linux on a MAC, but running MACos on a PC is quite a headache with many Problem"

and Its not easy to install Windows on MAC, it has been made easy by M$..

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Yeah, Linux developers should surely spend time and resources making software for Windows. After all, Microsoft is so helpful and co-operative towards the open source movement. LOL!

why not apple.. why only linux.. and yes they shoudl provide some compatiblity other than partition load up...

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The full fledged version of Mac OS X "Tiger" is cheaper than the cheapest, absolutely crippled and practically unusable version of Windows Vista

what you mean by practically unusable windows of Vista.. ??
cant understand... ?

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Make no mistake, Microsoft makes software for Mac because it is profitable for them. They are not running on losses to support Macs. LOL

Mr. MAC they MAc is running into loss.. just see the sensex and then you will notice..

and by the way , present some thing extra ordinary in order to beat M$... your Apples arrent even occupying 10% of the worlds population... wat say in this... if they are so good then , whay the hell people dont buy them....

i never tried to insult apple coz next month i will too be a APPLE Owner.. but that does not change the reality that windows is the best OS for masses... and simply gr8....

and it cant make a difference if you keep on quoting me...

amitava82 · 27-03-2007, 09:53 PM

Dude there are Thousands of Open source softwares which are available for both Linux and Windows even for Mac. I don't know if there is any software by MS for Linux or any software which is absolutely for FREE. if its there definitely for their own profit. At least mac makes iTune for windows though it is to support iPod. what about media player?

shantanu · 27-03-2007, 09:55 PM

media player is also for MAC, and IE is also for MAc, i can give you a whole list for the softwares supporting MAC by M$...and many are under development...