Vista Banned??????????????????????

Josan · 25-03-2007, 12:58 AM

The prestigious National Institute of Standards and Technology has put a ban on Windows Vista, but that's standard procedure, according to NIST's chief information officer
NIST, which does research and sets standards for things like cryptography for government use, is among several federal agencies that have put a moratorium on the use of Vista. The agencies are taking some time to make sure that the new Microsoft operating system meets their needs.

sabret00the · 25-03-2007, 01:23 AM

I guess ur source is http://infotech.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1724761.cms
Try to be a little more detailed in ur posts and plz provide a valid/known source.

cyborg47 · 25-03-2007, 01:38 PM

source plz

aryayush · 25-03-2007, 04:02 PM

Old news. A lot of American organisations are banning Vista. Guess I was wrong - there are some intelligent people in the United States!

iMav · 25-03-2007, 04:11 PM

the bans are mostly because they feel that pumping in so much money first to upgrade their machines and then buying such a costly OS should give them something more for their needs which XP wasnt able to else they shall continue with XP ... sensible move

as it is XP is a very nice OS ... stable, not rigid and user friendly unlike its competitors

sabret00the · 25-03-2007, 08:25 PM

^^^ we technicians say that Windows 2000 Pro was designed for Humans,XP was designed for idots,Vista has been designed keeping in mind the Americans..........no offence but they are naturally dumb.They only know only turning switchs on and off........they f#*king buy computers because they can afford 'em and they think a PC can be operated like a TV.Once they buy a PC they realise that its a PC and u need to know hw to operate it........the thing is that if u dont make it easily identifiable then Americans cant use it.Moreover Microsoft is slowly trying to monopolise the market.....1stly its hell expensive to upgrade to Vista,2ndly most computers currently in use are not Vista Capable,3rd Vista has its own driver cache and dosent require 3rd party drivers-hence 3rd party hardware now has be driver signed for Vista (they are justifying this in the name of system stability and compatibility),lastly Vista 64bit edition makes driver signing compulsory or else 3rd party hardware wont even install............discuss

shantanu · 25-03-2007, 08:31 PM

guys i think you all are overexpressing..

emailaatif786 · 25-03-2007, 08:36 PM

1 thing is that:
" No one is forcing you to install Windows Vista"!

gxsaurav · 25-03-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sabret00the

2ndly most computers currently in use are not Vista Capable

Every computer since Pentium 4 2.4 GHz, Intel 845 chipset or equivalent is Vista capable, but necessarily Aero capable.

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3rd Vista has its own driver cache and dosent require 3rd party drivers-hence 3rd party hardware now has be driver signed for Vista (they are justifying this in the name of system stability and compatibility)

So

, is that supposed to be bad?

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lastly Vista 64bit edition makes driver signing compulsory or else 3rd party hardware wont even install

Again, so

is that supposed to be bad to have signed & proper drivers

sabret00the · 25-03-2007, 09:03 PM

^^^ bro I'm not talking about good or bad,I was talking about monopoly of Microsoft

shantanu · 25-03-2007, 10:13 PM

what monopoly are you talkign about.. you think this coz Pirated windows is all over india and if everyone uses Genuine ans original then you wont find windows ruling like this... STOP using pirated and then see...

Everybody is in a misconseption about M$ windows Vista...

in my opinion its great and really worth it...

mediator · 25-03-2007, 11:45 PM

I agree with @mav3/first para.

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Originally Posted by sabret00the

we technicians say that Windows 2000 Pro was designed for Humans,XP was designed for idots,Vista has been designed keeping in mind the Americans

Nice one!

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Originally Posted by shantanu_webmaster

STOP using pirated and then see

That u'll have to use cracks to activate ur very own original edition after some time! It will urge to phone the company (activation using phone) even when u have been installing the edition on the "same" machine! So stop using pirated edition and see that u'll be spending ur precious,hard earned money more on some expensive international phone calls after some time! I guess its a nice tactic by MS to include stuff like "limited activations" in EULA knowing that people generally dont read such stuff and then indirectly tell/hint its customers to move to VISTA. Quite a monopoly isn't it?

shantanu · 26-03-2007, 01:03 AM

this is a rubbish point against M$... use a free software buddy!!! STOP using Windows...

mediator · 26-03-2007, 01:14 AM

Thats not cool! Earlier u said I was correct for the same point and now u say its all rubbish?

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Originally Posted by shantanu_webmaster

look !!! i said i understand your feeling.... and i wont justify anything.. coz you are correct

Post #30 => MIcrosoft 's "WE share ur pain" program

shantanu · 26-03-2007, 03:55 AM

yeah i said becuase i understand a customers pain.. but if you wan tthat when ever you want you can sue M$, its incorrect.. and yes its all rubbish... coz M$ never forced you to buy its products , not it was said that you buy an OEM product and you must ask the OEm manufacturer whose product you are using.. and by the way ,, how can it be proved that you are a AUTHENTIC customer... ? tell me this.. i trust you and there is nothing personal in this and nor anything changes if i oppose you..

but the thing is that INDIAN market is full of oem software why???

because: oem software gives 31% of the regualr pricing to the seller.. and Retail software gives only 10%, so for earning more profit the retailers or Shop keepers in India Sell OEM software hence giving you head ache...

Microsoft is not responsible for this.. read the license aggrement... i think you just pressed F8 , without reading the license, nor you ever opened the readme of the CD... did you open it,, i am sure that you didnt... even i never read it, but the fact is that we purchase software with eyes closed and then sue M$, its not like that... purchase retail software (BOX packed) and whenever you go for buying a OS just look that it is OEM or retail.

and I am really very sorry , if i hurted you, i never wanted to...
The world is very BIG and company gives OEM kits to leading companies , its them who sets the activation rules, plus... Microsoft takes OEM activation more serioulsy, coz the key is sticked on the cab. and that becomes the most appropriate reason for pIRACY.... just that...

and i have PM'ed you ... further plz check

mediator · 26-03-2007, 12:37 PM

SO, dont u think its all a monopoly then? Tell me if "limited activation" also applies to the same machine, so that I can enlighten my friends and social circle about it and spread the word?

I have been activating Windows on the same machine since 2002-03. I have installed it like 20 times or much more since then. Y the heck the problem is being experienced now when VISTA has been launched? R u sure they r not forcing us, hinting us to upgrade or shell out more money?

And about authenticity, those who use pirated stuff have no rights to make complaints like me. For the rest, the online activation that was going on for the past 4 years + the brown/golden 3d hologram cover + the install of SP2 that can take place afterwards is enough to prove the authenticity.

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Originally Posted by shantanu_webmaster

because: oem software gives 31% of the regualr pricing to the seller.. and Retail software gives only 10%, so for earning more profit the retailers or Shop keepers in India Sell OEM software hence giving you head ache...

And ur precise point is?

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Originally Posted by shantanu_webmaster

Microsoft is not responsible for this.. read the license aggrement... i think you just pressed F8 , without reading the license, nor you ever opened the readme of the CD... did you open it,, i am sure that you didnt... even i never read it, but the fact is that we purchase software with eyes closed and then sue M$, its not like that... purchase retail software (BOX packed) and whenever you go for buying a OS just look that it is OEM or retail.

Microsoft can be and has been sued for several reasons, but I agree we shudn't really purchase a a closed source software with eyes closed. So much for our freedom!

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Originally Posted by shantanu_webmaster

and I am really very sorry , if i hurted you, i never wanted to...
The world is very BIG and company gives OEM kits to leading companies , its them who sets the activation rules, plus... Microsoft takes OEM activation more serioulsy, coz the key is sticked on the cab. and that becomes the most appropriate reason for pIRACY.... just that...

YEa I agree, and its a fact/ a reason that brought me closer to GNU/Linux. And thats y I think the whole world that "blindly" purchases it shud know this!

A little more discussion wud really be helpful for my blog on MS, MS windows.

abhi1301 · 26-03-2007, 12:51 PM

boys don't u guys think it's goin way too far .. control uer emotions dude . .. anyhow . most of us can't use vista owing to it's high req. specification . so wat diff does it make anyhow

nitish_mythology · 26-03-2007, 02:38 PM

I hv been experimenting with my p.c since a long time...
Every mnth I install a new Linux distro,change the partitions,do lots of other stuff etc..etc
So,if I hv an original XP I wll b handicaped coz I cant change the partition where windows OS resides,morover the activation procedure sucks!!!!

I need to b careful while tampering with system(smtimes u r left with no option but to format...)

Conclusion???
Try to comp switch to Linux slowly......(A pos end jst like every Indian movie)

shantanu · 26-03-2007, 02:40 PM

The thing is just for discussion... it ok..
we arent going any far, the reason behind your problem is the official report on piracy @2005 winhec... The key used by most of us is taken away by SPYWARE softwares, under our secret information. now what happens is that the key is legit and it is distributed freely on crack sites, a user uses the key depending on the edition of windows we are using... then the key is used by thousands of people, so after a irregular and improper activations the product and the KEY used is been copied to suspicious list and the online activation is BUAD... this is why a genuine customer faces problems.

then a customer BACKFIRES on M$ , sues the company for privacy and other flaws and for having to spent hundreds in phone calls for activation... so a new tech. is developed now , which is called ACTIVATION by SMS... it will be in use just after SP1 for windows vista , as per claimed, now windows XP will also be upgraded by SP3 , nearly AUG 2008, and it will also be updated with this scheme...

all you have to do is that you got to tell that whether you are using an OEM software or retail.. for checking note the product id in system properties...

xxxxx-oem-xxxxxxx-xxxxx or xxxxx-iii-xxxxxxx-xxxxx

here the first one represents the oem software and the second one can be any no.=iii and its a retail software....

and if you purchased the software and if its retail then you must have got the BIG box, and if OEM a small packet...

you are very frustrated but that is not only reason to SUE M$.. i think you also understand.. and please dont take anything personally...

gxsaurav · 26-03-2007, 02:44 PM

Yo guys, stop fighting here....else the mods will come & ban for making it a fight club

mediator · 26-03-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by shantanu_webmaster

The key used by most of us is taken away by SPYWARE softwares, under our secret information. now what happens is that the key is legit and it is distributed freely on crack sites, a user uses the key depending on the edition of windows we are using... then the key is used by thousands of people, so after a irregular and improper activations the product and the KEY used is been copied to suspicious list and the online activation is BUAD... this is why a genuine customer faces problems.

Its better to say that the key is retrieved through social engineering then putting the blame on spywares etc unless MS-Windows itself hinders the privacy n freedom! I know the key is distributed, but maybe u shud read the EULA agreement again that u r talking about again n again. The activation is not just tied to a key, but to the whole hardware. On the top of that the SP2 installation can be used to verify if ur editon is genuine!

When I first got my genuine edition I was already having a cracked edition before that and the key of my genuine edition was freely available on the net. Take it for granted that in this world of a billion pc/windows users, the key might have been used for atleast a 1000 times......exceeding the activation limit?

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Originally Posted by EULA

1.2 Mandatory Activation.The license rights granted under this EULA are limited to the first thirty (30) days after you first install the Software unless you supply information required to activate your licensed copy in the manner described during the setup sequence of the Software. You can activate the Software through the use of the Internet or telephone; toll charges may apply. You may also need to reactivate the Software if you modify your computer hardware or alter the Software. There are technological measures in this Software that are designed to prevent unlicensed use of the Software. Microsoft will use those measures to confirm you have a legally licensed copy of the Software. If you are not using a licensed copy of the Software, you are not allowed to install the Software or future Software updates. Microsoft will not collect any personally identifiable information from your Workstation Computer during this process.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/proeula.mspx

So y is this "activation limit" affecting the same machine/hardware?
I hope the highlighted part tells everyone the whole story! Then y do I have to face this crappy "activation via phone" procedure now when VISTA has been launched?

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Originally Posted by shantanu_webmaster

then a customer BACKFIRES on M$ , sues the company for privacy and other flaws and for having to spent hundreds in phone calls for activation... so a new tech. is developed now , which is called ACTIVATION by SMS... it will be in use just after SP1 for windows vista , as per claimed, now windows XP will also be upgraded by SP3 , nearly AUG 2008, and it will also be updated with this scheme...

Time will tell how effective it is and more "user friendly" to the customer!

Josan · 28-03-2007, 02:06 AM

vista have gotsome hardware copatibility issus , otherwise vista is a good os

shantanu · 01-04-2007, 08:55 PM

ok continuing here:

the thing is that you cant install Windows Xp on multiple Pc's with single key... now the companies get Multi user license agreement from M$ for this...

and it is :

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Home edition :
This End End User License Agreement (EULA) is for informational purposes only. There is no software accompanying the EULA.

IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you (either an individual or a single entity) and Microsoft Corporation for the Microsoft software that accompanies this EULA, which includes computer software and may include associated media, printed materials, "online" or electronic documentation, and Internet-based services ("Software"). An amendment or addendum to this EULA may accompany the software. YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS EULA BY INSTALLING, COPYING, OR OTHERWISE USING THE SOFTWARE. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE, DO NOT INSTALL, COPY, OR USE THE SOFTWARE; YOU MAY RETURN IT TO YOUR PLACE OF PURCHASE FOR A FULL REFUND, IF APPLICABLE.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of this EULA:

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not be used by more than one processor at any one time on any single Workstation Computer.

Professional SP2/without SP2

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one
copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other
device (“Workstation Computer”). The Software may not be used by more than two (2)
processors at any one time on any single Workstation Computer

these are the first lines of EULA... read them..

mediator · 01-04-2007, 11:18 PM

So the "private company" that bought the xp cd had the "Multi user license agreement from M$" right? That means it can be installed on multiple pcs? Then y do u think that my pc is an exception even though it got activated 20+ times in past 3-4 years? R u saying MS activates the products that easily and gives the licenses? In ur opinion my cd is not original. I wonder how I never got "Your windows is not genuine" error ever!

shantanu · 01-04-2007, 11:24 PM

you windows is genuine , but you said it was not written anywhere in EULA, so i made it clear... and i can only tell if your windows Xp was Multi user , if you give me the PART no. its on BOX..

and your key is genuine so your windows is , but if you install a single user on multiple PC's then it is wrong and EULA is forbidden.. i am saying some correct words which are taking to wrong side.. coz you also understood that i am correct,, but here EGOt works... please provide with part no. or serial no. (not the CD KEY)

and chill

mediator · 01-04-2007, 11:31 PM

Ok, then I think u didn't understood me from the start where I explained to u the company issue in PM, where u shud have undertsood the multi-user thing and then u said my cd isn't original. So I think that clears up the confusion. There's no ego here, but it really irritates when u get "phone by activation thing" even when the cd might have got 30+ times activated ( exceeding the limit already ?) and then u have to use the cracks for it and then someone says that the cd is not original.