"Vista Shows Better Security Than Mac OS X does"

[anandk]

Max Caceres, director of product management at Boston-based Core Security Technologies, which develops network- penetration testing software called Core Impact' says that Microsoft Corp. uses more advanced security techniques in Windows Vista than Apple Inc. uses in its operating system. Mac OS X “is still a little immature in terms of security compared to Vista,” he contends.

source : computerworld

this is a news/study item hence posted here; mods may if they wish, move it to the fightclub

[s18000rpm]

A "+" point for Vista

Originally Posted by anandk

this is a news/study item hence posted here; mods may if they wish, move it to the fightclub

[Ankur Gupta]

Well time will be great factor in deciding how secure vista is...

[gxsaurav]

lolz....i can see the future, another thread going to be locked soon

[goobimama]

Ya... this one's going down for sure. I'll just play spectator... don't want my precious goobimama id to get deleted...

[iMav]

kya yaar aaplog ban k dar se iss forum ka maza khattam kar rahe ho ....

well im waiting for my 2 good frenz whom i wont name to reply to this fact and then we will see whr this topic is headed

[Pathik]

lol.. This topic ll mark a new beginning in the ms vs apple war

[praka123]

Future service packs of Vista makes it virus proof,sturdy Operating System.All Macintosh,BSDs,Linux,Solaris etc users are dumps,they simply are lieing that UNIXens are very stable and virus less(if not virus proof).and there users are !9iots eh?
ZOMG,Vista guys,what about the incorporated DRM digital restrictions management function-do you people all liked that?why there were no one talking about DRM?Is your PC definition ends with Gaming only?
Macintosh users,you are not l*sers,l*sers are ya u ppl knew :shutup`ed:










all operating systems other than the ones from microsoft are waste,if not we will put such propaganda's and we will make our users fanboys-the gr8 cyborg,father of *BORG*

[rajasekharan]

Another micro product . Another war . . . Heh ,its just an o.s after all . No big thing for me ,if it become success i will just , you know , pirate it . Lol . . Ok , lets start a war . I will choose to be a paladin this time . With piracy as aura . . .

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by anandk

Max Caceres, director of product management at Boston-based Core Security Technologies, which develops network- penetration testing software called Core Impact' says that Microsoft Corp. uses more advanced security techniques in Windows Vista than Apple Inc. uses in its operating system. Mac OS X “is still a little immature in terms of security compared to Vista,” he contends.

source : computerworld

this is a news/study item hence posted here; mods may if they wish, move it to the fightclub

LOL! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Some people think their opinions matter - but they actually don't. Just look at the number of viruses already out there for Windows Vista and it was just released two days ago. Now look at the amount of malware for OS X which was released more than five years ago and has had five major releases - with a sixth one coming soon.

[Kiran.dks]

Originally Posted by aryayush

LOL! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Some people think their opinions matter - but they actually don't. Just look at the number of viruses already out there for Windows Vista and it was just released two days ago. Now look at the amount of malware for OS X which was released more than five years ago and has had five major releases - with a sixth one coming soon.

Hmm..not again!
If Mac is just as common as Windows, there would be "n" number of malwares for it too. Mac is so less popular compared to Windows that hackers are not interested in twisting their brains to that extent. Remember what hapnd to the guy who put his Mac on network and started saying to hack it if possible. It was hacked in just 30 min of time!

[kumarmohit]

^^ Totally Agree (Even though I do not want to get in a Win vs mac brawl)

But again its too early to comment on security levels of Vista and with OSX 10.5 closing in we might see a clearer picture by the end of 2007...

[goobimama]

Picture this: You are a virus writer. Fresh out of the block. You want to become famous. Would you go ahead and write the 115467th virus for windows? Or the first real one for a Mac?

[...and I said I would just be spectator. Can't help it. Once a Mac fanboy, always a mac fanboy...]

[Kiran.dks]

Originally Posted by goobimama

Picture this: You are a virus writer. Fresh out of the block. You want to become famous. Would you go ahead and write the 115467th virus for windows? Or the first real one for a Mac?

[...and I said I would just be spectator. Can't help it. Once a Mac fanboy, always a mac fanboy...]

Most of the Virus aren't ment for getting famous! It's for stealing information from the victim's PC. Imagine I would write a virus for Windows. Certainly I am not goin to bla bla to everybody that I am the creator!
Ethical hacking is the way for getting famous. They hack and also let the world know his/her hacking skills. And you are doubting hacking a MAC, think again...As I already said, MAC was hacked with in 30 min in network!

[kumarmohit]

Originally Posted by goobimama

Picture this: You are a virus writer. Fresh out of the block. You want to become famous.

Virus writing is not going to make anyone famous, it will make him infamous. In special cases it might even land the writer in jail.

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by mav3

well im waiting for my 2 good frenz whom i wont name to reply to this fact and then we will see whr this topic is headed

One is already here, spreading FUD

Originally Posted by arya

Just look at the number of viruses already out there for Windows Vista and it was just released two days ago.

We Windows users really don't know of such virus for Vista just after 2 days of relesing. Plz provide the source & name of the viruses out ther for Windows Vista in just 2 days

oh & by the way, i have never sen a virus writer coming in front & telling his name that he made a virus

[mail2and]

Originally Posted by Kiran_tech_mania

. Remember what hapnd to the guy who put his Mac on network and started saying to hack it if possible. It was hacked in just 30 min of time!

I wouldn't have replied in this thread, till I read this. Did you read anything about it? Go search for it, and read all the facts.

His so called 'Mac hack' experiment was dumped.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=152 Here is an article from the same site that reported the hack.

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...report-prompts Here is a more detailed explanation.

Basically, the guy created user accounts for hackers, enabled shell access, and then asked them to deface a site. It would have been better if he would have given the admin password, too.

No OS is inherently secure, but generally operating systems based on UNIX are considered more secure than the others.

As for people who says hacking/cracking UNIX based OS'' isn't beneficial, have you ever heard of DVD Jon? Do you know how much money he made by cracking DRM?
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Originally Posted by gx_saurav

One is already here, spreading FUD

Do you realize one of your IDs was banned permanently exactly for this reason?
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Originally Posted by kumarmohit

Virus writing is not going to make anyone famous, it will make him infamous. In special cases it might even land the writer in jail.

So, why do people create Viri for Windows? Or creating Viri for windows will give them a lighter sentence?

[rajasekharan]

@kumarmohit.....being end up in jail is the new way of getting famous buddy ....look at our politicians....

[gxsaurav]

well....about time it should be moved to fight club

Here is the FUD

Originally Posted by arya

Just look at the number of viruses already out there for Windows Vista and it was just released two days ago.

Again, a post without any source, or info.

Originally Posted by andy

Do you realize one of your IDs was banned permanently exactly for this reason?

It's just an ID, what matters is the flow of water (in this case me) & not the size of ocean (post count etc)

[iMav]

creating viruses makes 1 famous within their circle ... and 1 of the major reasons is windows wide user base ...

picture this ... how many ppl will get affected by a virus on windows and how many will get affected by a virus on mac .... the same is true y does a bomb blast occur at a place where ppl are more and y not at a place whr ppl are less .... the impact
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besides we all know tht thr is no technology tht can be hacked or cracked .... so it wud be a fiction to believe tht the mac or linux cant be hacked ... if the brains start rolling things will happen ... blu-ray is hacked, hd-dvd is hacked almost everything can b hacked ...

[mail2and]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

It's just an ID, what matters is the flow of water (in this case me) & not the size of ocean (post count etc)

I'm sorry but that was more of a warning than a reminder. I would strongly advice you to stay on topic without trying to make witty references toward anybody.

Any more off-topic post will be deleted, and the user warned.


Oh, and as for the quote, don't try making an analogy. Please!

[nikhilrao]

Oh GOD. Not again. Why are Mac users so intolarant and insecure about their OS ? Cant we hav some normal discussion here ?

HaHA. I wonder which dumb person says vista has better security. A first virus attacked today and more to follow. Oh please no OS is perfect. Even linux can be attacked if it is primary target. Windows is a primary target.

Hands down to microsoft, windows vista and the all the employee of microsoft and MS fans.

[Kiran.dks]

I really don't understand whatz the problem with Mac users here. Why are they trying to prove that "Its THE Best"? Being Windows user, I can definetly say that it is also not perfect in all aspects. Loop holes are set to rise with time. The same applies to Mac. It's better to be neutral & accept the facts rather than creating a unhealthy environment here. Mac & Windows are created by humans & no doubt that they will break it. It's the matter of popularity. Windows is more popular, hence thousands eying for breaking it. Mac is less popular, so will take considerable time till the loop holes are discovered. Please stop arguements regarding this issue and think maturely.

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by thunderbird.117

A first virus attacked today and more to follow.

just like i asked another membar previously, plz provide the source

Originally Posted by nikhilrao

Oh GOD. Not again. Why are Mac users so intolarant and insecure about their OS ? Cant we hav some normal discussion here ?

Originally Posted by Kiran_tech_mania

I really don't understand whatz the problem with Mac users here. Why are they trying to prove that "Its THE Best"?

No use saying it here pal, it won't help. Mac users always have been like this.

Originally Posted by andy

I'm sorry but that was more of a warning than a reminder. I would strongly advice you to stay on topic without trying to make witty references toward anybody.

Any more off-topic post will be deleted, and the user warned.

I just asked the source, is it wrong to ask it? How else can I stay the the topic man

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

just like i asked another membar previously, plz provide the source



No use saying it here pal, it won't help. Mac users always have been like this.


I just asked the source, is it wrong to ask it? How else can I stay the the topic man

Yo, Microsoft Fanboy. You seriously do not believe Vista is totally secure crap?. I have to show a source that a virus attacked vista. Lool. Vista just released yesterday once it most used. The source wil be showed.

[iMav]

hey thunderbird ... u got a source paste it here ... dont shoot arrows in the air ... almost every1 has said tht vista is MS most secure OS till date if not the best ...

[mail2and]

Originally Posted by Kiran_tech_mania

I really don't understand whatz the problem with Mac users here. Why are they trying to prove that "Its THE Best"? Being Windows user, I can definetly say that it is also not perfect in all aspects. Loop holes are set to rise with time. The same applies to Mac. It's better to be neutral & accept the facts rather than creating a unhealthy environment here. Mac & Windows are created by humans & no doubt that they will break it. It's the matter of popularity. Windows is more popular, hence thousands eying for breaking it. Mac is less popular, so will take considerable time till the loop holes are discovered. Please stop arguements regarding this issue and think maturely.

I know you;re pointing toward me. But, the best thing in life is to actually read into a thing before posting.

You said something.. I corrected you with a news story from the same site, which actually reported the hack.

If you read the last part of my previous post, you would have understood what I meant.

Every OS has its vulnerabilities. It's bound to happen. If it is coded by a man, it can be broken by a man, too. However, till date, *nix based operating systems have proven to be more secure. It's a fact.

However, if you are still trying to prove yourself right, despite being proven wrong, then be my guest.

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by Kiran_tech_mania

If Mac is just as common as Windows, there would be "n" number of malwares for it too. Mac is so less popular compared to Windows that hackers are not interested in twisting their brains to that extent.

OK. I accept what you are saying.
Now, consider this. Mac has a very minimal market share as compared to Windows, right? Therefore, it has NO viruses, while there are millions of viruses for the Windows platform. But then why does the Mac platform have such a sizable number of software available for it? Why isn't it same as the viruses ratio?
The answer: writing software for a Mac is far easier than for Windows and writing viruses for Mac OS X is very difficult as compared to Windows.

Originally Posted by Kiran_tech_mania

Remember what hapnd to the guy who put his Mac on network and started saying to hack it if possible. It was hacked in just 30 min of time!

If you give your copy to someone, give him a pen too and then challenge him to scribble on the copy - you cannot do much to prevent your copy even if the pages are waxed!

Originally Posted by Kiran_tech_mania

Most of the Virus aren't ment for getting famous! It's for stealing information from the victim's PC. Imagine I would write a virus for Windows. Certainly I am not goin to bla bla to everybody that I am the creator!

Yes, you are. The Australian hacker who wrote the first virus for Windows Vista proclaimed it boldly all over the internet. Even if only few of the virus writers do it for getting famous, why don't they try to write viruses for the Mac? You know what, they do - but they are not successful. Surely you'll agree that writing a virus for the Mac platform would garner huge amounts of attention from all over the world. And every netizen wants that kind of attention - every single one.

Originally Posted by kumarmohit

Virus writing is not going to make anyone famous, it will make him infamous.

There is no such thing as negative publicity.

Originally Posted by kumarmohit

In special cases it might even land the writer in jail.

Oh! And writing viruses for Windows is legally approved by the United States, I suppose!

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

oh & by the way, i have never sen a virus writer coming in front & telling his name that he made a virus

Because you and I are not important enough. Look around on the internet, however and you'll find that most big viruses are backed by people who claim to have written it.

Originally Posted by mAV3

how many will get affected by a virus on mac

Apple sold 1.6 million Macs the last quarter. Add to that the previously installed base of Macintoshes. Also count the fact that since Mac OS X runs on just a handful of similar configurations, any virus for the Mac platform would, in essence, be omnipotent. So, I suppose that is a sizable amount of Macs that could be affected if a virus were to be released for the platform. I know the number is tiny compared to Windows - but it is large enough to earn a lot of money from. Most Hollywood studios use Macs by the truckload. I can see a lot of money for hackers there.

Originally Posted by mAV3

the same is true y does a bomb blast occur at a place where ppl are more and y not at a place whr ppl are less .... the impact

It was planned for the House of Parliament when there were only about a hundred people there.
Actually, your statement strengthens my case. Evil-doers do it for pleasure too, money is not the sole motive behind creating viruses - like planning a bomb blast somewhere.

Originally Posted by nikhilrao

Oh GOD. Not again. Why are Mac users so intolarant and insecure about their OS ? Cant we hav some normal discussion here ?

Mac OS X “is still a little immature in terms of security compared to Vista,” he contends.

Who is being insecure here? Oh and BTW, this 'analysis' at least proves one thing. Windows XP IS very weak security-wise when compared to Mac OS X, right? You guys cannot deny that now.

Originally Posted by Kiran_tech_mania

I really don't understand whatz the problem with Mac users here. Why are they trying to prove that "Its THE Best"? Being Windows user, I can definetly say that it is also not perfect in all aspects.

There is a difference between proclaiming that something is the best and that something is perfect. Yes, I - very proudly - say that Mac OS X is the best operating system there is but it is not perfect. It is miles ahead of Windows, yes but it can be improved a lot more (and Leopard will go several steps in that direction).
And it is not just Mac users who are creating the ruckus. Windows and (in the past) Linux users are involved too. It is just a trend on the internet that if someone speaks in favour of the Mac, label him a Mac 'fanboy' or 'maniac'.

The gist of my post is this: while I do understand that the Mac's strong position of security is largely due to it's being a minority in the computer market, it is also improper to say that it is the sole reason. Macs are inherently more secure than Windows because there are ZERO viruses out there for an operating system that has been out there for six years and had a sales figure of 1.6 million in the last four months combines. Surely there would have been at least about FIVE viruses by now.
And basically, even all this logic is rendered useless by the in-your-face fact that Macs are not prone to viruses while Windows is largely affected by it. Forget the reason and face the fact. Macs are thousand times more secure than Windows and that position isn't going to change anytime soon... if at all!

[mail2and]

Originally Posted by gx_saurav

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I just asked the source, is it wrong to ask it? How else can I stay the the topic man

I think it is pretty evident from my post that I warned you for trying to intice a flame war with words like 'FUD' etc.
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Originally Posted by aryayush

The answer: writing software for a Mac is far easier than for Windows and writing viruses for Mac OS X is very difficult as compared to Windows.

Actually, the credit for no viri in OS X goes to it's BSD and UNIX base. There were viri for OS 9, so it discounts all the 'less popular' argument, too.

OS 9 was probably the least known Mac OS ever. Yet, it had viri.



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