Airtel opposes net neutrality; asks Google, Facebook to share profits

[sling-shot]

Net neutrality is one of the growing issues in a number of countries across the globe, especially in the emerging countries where Internet usage via mobile phone is going past the fixed-line web. Net neutrality basically means ISPs are supposed to treat all sorts of Internet access in the same fashion.

Indian telecom giant Bharti Airtel has come out against the net neutrality and asked the Internet companies such as Google, Yahoo! and Facebook to share their revenues for using operators’ expensive infrastructure.

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Airtel opposes net neutrality; asks Google, Facebook to share profits - Internet | ThinkDigit News

[krishnandu.sarkar]

I didn't understand completely but what does Airtel mean to say..??

Peoples are already paying them for their connection so this statement "Today, Google, Yahoo! and others are enjoying at the cost of network operator. We are the ones investing in setting up data pipes and they make the money" doesn't makes any sense.

It's their business standard which helped them to make money not Airtel.

Airtel's job is to provide connection and charge us for the connection and it's over. Now it's upto us who are using the web services.

Well in this way, Employee's one day will ask Businessman's to give them share of the business income. Employee's duty is to create the product for which businessman's pays him.

Now it's businessman's talent that he sold it for high price or what.

[reniarahim1]

what the hell did i just read.....airtel want to make cash from where ever possible.

[sling-shot]

So you have a successful shop. Many people take taxis and come to your shop. Can the taxi driver ask you to pay him money for each person he brings in? I mean ..... they should actually thank you for running a successful shop and giving them more business!

Generally that happens only in Govt run subsidized services. In any private enterprise, those who use their services more or cause others to do the same are rewarded.

Corporations / people behind them can stoop to such low levels to make another paisa more.

[Skud]

Now Airtel should start sharing its profit with me because as a customer I am directly contributing to its kitty.

[The Sorcerer]

Part of that article reminds me of this:
Airtel now vocally against network neutrality

[Faun]

Now Airtel should start sharing its profit with me because as a customer I am directly contributing to its kitty.

Nice point. Oh and Airtel is a duck.

[bubusam13]

If Airtel Block Google, Yahoo and Facebook, hardly anybody excluding business organisations will take their connection.

[sam]

while Airtel shouts, Google made a few hundred millions more in the meantime.

[asingh]

Are they nuts in the head or what. They forgot to mention, "their" infrastructure which users utilize to access web sites, they charge people. Why not this caveat. Idiotic, stupid, and embarrassing.

[paroh]

Now Airtel should start sharing its profit with me because as a customer I am directly contributing to its kitty.

++++++++++++

[Piyush]

Besharam Airtel

[Kl@w-24]

"You are using an Internet connection provided by AirTel. Access to this website is, therefore, not available."

Expecting to see this message on quite a few sites if these nutcases have their way.

[fun2sh]

ROFL!!! Its like an Autorikshaaw wala will say to shopping malls that he transports customers to them so he want their profits too.

[KDroid]

^^ Exactly.

[mrintech]

FailTel opposes net neutrality; asks Google, Facebook to share profits

[Anorion]

hmm donno about sharing profits, but sharing costs of the network makes total sense
google or fakebook would ideally be happy to invest in better infrastructure, and connectivity
they may even do it who knows

[SuperH3art]

It seems they have done too much of MBA study. cant even they think before doing this

[MetalheadGautham]

ROFL!!! Its like an Autorikshaaw wala will say to shopping malls that he transports customers to them so he want their profits too.

This

[thetechfreak]

April 1 is quite far away. Bad Joke by Yaartel

[kisame]

Who voted in favour of ISPs??

F**k Airtel for pulling a joke like this.They should improve their infrastructure and not b**ch.Already they are no. 2 telecom in India.Is there no end to their greed??

[DeSmOnD dAvId]

Who voted in favour of ISPs??

F**k Airtel for pulling a joke like this.They should improve their infrastructure and not b**ch.Already they are no. 2 telecom in India.Is there no end to their greed??

Probably some employees of airtel among us.

[KDroid]

Who voted in favour of ISPs??

F**k Airtel for pulling a joke like this.They should improve their infrastructure and not b**ch.Already they are no. 2 telecom in India.Is there no end to their greed??

And No.5 in the World.

[Anorion]

voted ISPs were right

there are too many one sided comments instead of even understanding what is going on, all this is not airtel's idea, this came up in an international conference of mobile ISPs almost two years ago, had to dig it up but here it is, its like fakebook and google are parasites on the cellular network

operators including France Telecom SA, Telecom Italia SpA and Vodafone Group Plc want a new deal that would require content providers like Apple and Google to pay fees linked to usage

Network investment: Apple, Google to pay - Times Of India

read article for reasons

[kisame]

^You cant compare India to Europe.Internet penetration in India is around 10%.
And that news is 2 years old.I searched and came to conclusion that European operators were not able force Google,Apple to share revenues.
India's Internet population small, but powerful on social | ZDNet
Broadband Penetration in India [State-wise Report]
Granted these are old results but they say a lot.Airtel is not under same type of pressure as those in Europe.

[KDroid]

It doesn't matter whose idea it is. It is lame.

In this way, the Mobile Manufacturers will also start demanding their share of profit from the telecom comapnies. Laptop/PC Manufactureres will start demanding share of profit from Microsoft. Would that be Right?

They are not providing us internet connection for nothing.

[MetalheadGautham]

voted ISPs were right

there are too many one sided comments instead of even understanding what is going on, all this is not airtel's idea, this came up in an international conference of mobile ISPs almost two years ago, had to dig it up but here it is, its like fakebook and google are parasites on the cellular network



Network investment: Apple, Google to pay - Times Of India

read article for reasons

I want your side of the argument to the question I'm raising below:

How can the ISPs claim to be "affected" by excess traffic when they charge for bandwidth already ? They greedily charge for every last GB (and then throttle speeds to very low levels) and all this is covered by the amount the user pays.

If a user has a low 1GB data cap and he exceeds it after using too much of facebook and youtube, (taking BSNL's example) he pays a good amount for every MB consumed and the ISP (BSNL) profits handsomely. So how can they expect additional money from facebook and youtube ? That is just plain greediness.

I like to use fun2sh's argument here. Autorickshaw or Taxi operators already charge high fares to ferry people to airports and/or malls. So claiming that high demand to get to airports and/or malls is affecting their infrastructure is ridiculous. If the KMs to travel is high the user pays that much as well.

From what I can see, the only way ISPs would be affected is if they are actually overselling bandwidth and popularity of certain sites is reducing their chance to oversell. And IMHO overselling without informing the users is unethical to begin with.

[rider]

Airtel is the worst in broadband.. still providing only 256kbps on unlimited connection.

Grow up!! Airtel.. Aukad mai raho

[Anorion]

"How can the ISPs claim to be "affected" by excess traffic when they charge for bandwidth already ?"
ok will try to explain this part. there is bandwidth allocated for specific use. Now, the amount of usage can exceed the amount of planned bandwidth... this is like trucks being overloaded messing up the roads, or tables in restaurants occupied by one guy, or flights being overbooked, or concert and theater tickets that have black markets. All of this happens in the digital environment. There is so much you have planned for, and so much use that occurs.

now these things use bandwidth continuously. it's more or less like the device is constantly sending things back and forth to the internet. at some point it stops making economic sense for air to carry this kinds of signals. this is a kind of pollution. we are not at a flash point yet, doing some quick calculation europe has 8 zeroes in it's population, we have 9. 10% of us is the same order of magnitude as them. their penetration is above 100% so that put's them in the same ballpark as us.

your phone line can charge you your cable bill. not done yet. that's sent over the air. that is the problem. there is not enough airspace for all these things. It's ISPs saying early on that they will not be able to viably support this kind of usage.

[pranav0091]

^
That's why I am paying them. To provide me bandwidth. I dont get your point, unless net connectivity is free, which its not.