Vista SP2 and Windows 7 more Secure than Mac Leopard or Linux

[iMav]

Since I have nothing better to do this morning ....

SOmeone talked abpout going into Terminal with a keyboard shortcut (the way he said it is like its soe magic & can't be done in any other OS) anyhoo... the point being ... go into terminal, type a long a$$ retarded command as if I was hacking into the power grid that was in Die Hard 4.0

I think a lot of people would rather use the mouse ... you see, its much more easier to click than remember & type commands. Plus it gives me that added advantage of choosing the installation directory! How awesome is that! Now I can install the app in a dual-boot environment but not have to waste extra disk space! w00t! Windows #WIN!

[gxsaurav]

isn't the fact..you got to share the root password then? In unix sudo you still use your(user) password not the admin password.

This is also the user which my friends use when they come to home & they are techies. There is no password on this user. Now, if it was sudo then my friends could install anything without my permission by just doing SuDo but with UAC no one can install anything unless I enter my password in the UAC prompt or I install the software from my user.

I don't have to share my password with her or anyone. She doesn't have to install anything new as everything is already there. If there is something she needs to install, I am first notified, then I either come physically close to the PC & enter the password manually or over remote desktop.

Like the other day she was installing PDF Plug-in for Office 2007 & UAC prompted her. I told her then that the plug-in is already installed.

[Cool G5]

Originally Posted by iMav

Since I have nothing better to do this morning ....

SOmeone talked abpout going into Terminal with a keyboard shortcut (the way he said it is like its soe magic & can't be done in any other OS) anyhoo... the point being ... go into terminal, type a long a$$ retarded command as if I was hacking into the power grid that was in Die Hard 4.0

I think a lot of people would rather use the mouse ... you see, its much more easier to click than remember & type commands. Plus it gives me that added advantage of choosing the installation directory! How awesome is that! Now I can install the app in a dual-boot environment but not have to waste extra disk space! w00t! Windows #WIN!

Who said Linux requires you to remember long a$$ retarded commands? Everything a normal user requires can be accomplished with a GUI. Gone are the days when users needed to use CLI.
The CLI is only for power users
#Linux

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by axxo

isn't the fact..you got to share the root password then? In unix sudo you still use your(user) password not the admin password.

What is the advantage of having login restrictions and permissions when the user has priviledge to switch to root (using sudo) at will. What is the need to have restricted login then.

Thanks to windows, if user want to do something that requires access rights, he/she has to beg admin/owner instead of sneaking in with sudo.

Sudo may be useful but it can also be exploited

[axxo]

Originally Posted by desiibond

What is the advantage of having login restrictions and permissions when the user has priviledge to switch to root (using sudo) at will. What is the need to have restricted login then.

Thanks to windows, if user want to do something that requires access rights, he/she has to beg admin/owner instead of sneaking in with sudo.

Sudo may be useful but it can also be exploited

you do not how sudo works, it doesn't give as u think every user the privilege to access system commands. There is a file called sudoers which controls the access and whom the access to be given. Also there will be a log file which gets updated whenever sudo is invoked.
oh..well if you want to protect the user from sneaking system areas protection is still available in the form ACL, RBAC, etc..
Now imagine iff 100 users are working on that system to run a program, owner/admin has to reach each of them and share his/her password..does that sounds any good?

[mehra.rakesh]

HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!! Lolerz ..... Windozzz Pista will be secure only the condition being that it is run in a terminal inside of NSA and to be doubly sure not used AT ALL .....

[iMav]

Originally Posted by Cool G5

Who said Linux requires you to remember long a$$ retarded commands? Everything a normal user requires can be accomplished with a GUI. Gone are the days when users needed to use CLI.
The CLI is only for power users
#Linux

That is why I said that OS wars here are no fun anymore, people just don't read whats a reply to what

[Pat]

Haha..
@Manan: I miss those days

[MetalheadGautham]

WTF ? I wasn't here for 1 day and this is a gang war already ?

Anyway, I'm giving SuRun a try. Lemme see how it works.

Ontopic: Lets wait for the 2009 edition of the hacking the PC competition. Lets see how Snow Lepopard and Windows 7 fare compared to Ubuntu 9.04 then.

[ionicsachin]

Another boring OS war...

[hellknight]

another thing that matters in Linux is the output of :-
tail -f /var/log/messages command

I was doing ssh session with my friend over the internet and I could see the kernel message which told me that he attempted a wrong root password.. beat that... this is the best security feature on any OS..

[IronManForever]

Oh... I have learnt enough from OS wars. So unless people are saying something totally wrong, and not just a matter of difference in opinions, I dont join in.
But then, who am I? No one!

Enjoy homies.

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by axxo

you do not how sudo works, it doesn't give as u think every user the privilege to access system commands. There is a file called sudoers which controls the access and whom the access to be given. Also there will be a log file which gets updated whenever sudo is invoked.
oh..well if you want to protect the user from sneaking system areas protection is still available in the form ACL, RBAC, etc..
Now imagine iff 100 users are working on that system to run a program, owner/admin has to reach each of them and share his/her password..does that sounds any good?

1) Which one is easier? setting user account as "standard user" for 100 users or setting ACLs, Sudo, RBACs for each and every user?
2) dude, every single os on earth logs every single error/warning message.
3) yeah. I don't know anything about sudoers. I used to work on 25000 line long sudoers file and I know the headache of maintaining proper sudo. One user gets sudo access and he will be able to modify sudoers file and put whatever he wants for him or for other users or he can just wipe off everything from the file resulting in other users being unable to sudo, which is not the case with windows. If you want to modify system file, you do need admin password.
4) You may think that you know a lot about linux and you may think that you know a lot about windows. but seriously, you do need to learn how these two works.

Corporates aren't crazy to implement windows for large scale data centers and workstations. With the right amount of tweaking, windows is lot lot lot secure. There are more than 30k workstations in my client company and the number of linux workstations is less than 1%. And even with 99% of windows workstations, I haven't seen any virus attack in 5 years.

Not just that, I do see what happens when a user is given sudo access to his/her workstation and every user will be the owner with standard user account set for his/her windows workstation. These windows workstations run for months and years without any crashes. But that is not the case with linux hosts. users having sudo access do all kind of junk work on that. They try to install a tool or do some config changes, which of course is still headache in linux and it breaks the OS.

It is a well known fact that the only place for linux is in those big heavy boxes in data centers.

PS: if linux is so much secure and if linux is so so so easy to use, why is it's market share still less than 5%?

[Krazy Bluez]

Ha ha ha...nice joke...keep it up..!

[ionicsachin]

I ve already got bored of OS fights in many forums....final impression i cud get was "My favourite is the best"....thats wat is happening here....
For me I use Windows Vista mostly and Kubuntu.....i enjoy both of them and never compare them....
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I ve already got bored of OS fights in many forums....final impression i cud get was "My favourite is the best" for everyone....thats wat is happening here....
For me I use Windows Vista mostly and Kubuntu.....i enjoy both of them and never compare them....

[axxo]

I will summarize before what it looks like thread gonna be locked out very soon.
I told it would be easier for users to run certain tasks with administrative privilege without admin password. Sudo is just a tool to do this kinda manipulation but every piece of software has its advantages and disadvantages, the cons can be overcome only by proper administration.
Anyway my statement has nothing to do with this thread discussion. Live in peace.8)

[MetalheadGautham]

This thread is mad already. I'm having it locked TILL Windows Vista SP2 or Windows 7 releases.