Radeon HD 4870 X2, HD 4850 X2 Faster and Better Than GeForce GTX 295, 285: AMD

[comp@ddict]

Radeon HD 4870 X2, HD 4850 X2 Faster and Better Than GeForce GTX 295, 285: AMD

AMD started its marketing offensive against NVIDIA's new dual-GPU GeForce GTX 295, and single-GPU GeForce GTX 285 accelerators, in an attempt to put the Radeon HD 4800 X2 series accelerators ahead of its competition in terms of performance on a "broad scale", and used the cards' availability in non-reference designs as a USP against NVIDIA's offerings using a uniform company-specified design. All this, in an internal presentation leaked to Donanim Haber. As for those wondering why, ATI and NVIDIA have a history of picking on each others' flagship products by means of such presentations, with which they intend to influence OEMs and channel vendors, though it always happens so, that these presentations reach public domains. Viral marketing or something plausible? Find out for yourself:

http://www.techpowerup.com/82644/Radeon ... 5_AMD.html

[amitash]

?!? I think these are fake...From the reviews ive seen gtx295 thrashes the 4870x2

[comp@ddict]

Ejaktly, but these hav been officially publizhed by AMD!!!

[IronManForever]

[Liverpool_fan]

Well you can't expect AMD to get a move on and say GTX 295 is better.

[desiibond]

hahaha
hehehe
hohoho

[freshseasons]

Now watch for nVidia's reply.
Though its true that the Advt is really aggressive by AMD.
Hope they got guns to prove their mantle.
Though doesnt this add look tempting.Anyone would instantly jump with excitement.
Wish this is true.

[Faun]

Good hunting stalker, can there be a sequel ? Alright...it's a little offtopic

[MetalheadGautham]

I heard AMD released new drivers...

Besides, its already true.

AMD beats nVidia at uber high resolutions like 2400x1600, with 4xAA, 8xAA, etc.
AMD beats nVidia in areas UBER gamers, people who usually buy such hardware, care about.

nVidia has nothing to be proud of if GTX295 has higher FPS than HD4870X2 in MineSweeper.

[LoRdKsHiTiJ]

those are obviously fake, compaddict. you should know better than to just follow 1 brand blindly for no good reason. you don't like nvidia, thats ok but theres no reason for you to justify that what you have or like, is better than nvidia. personally if u ask me, the 4870x2 and the whole ATI itself a load of horse sh33t. anyways, take a look at these links.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...95,2107-5.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/8
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...ggtx295/6.html
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid...e=expert&pid=3

these should give you a proper & legit perspective of how powerful each of the top-end cards actually are.

as for general speaking point of view, i feel nvidia is better off.
why?
it doesn't have driver issues like ATI catalyst drivers.
it scales well. ATI cards had scaling issues for which they made new generation 4870x2 cards but when you put 2 of 4870x2 together in a quad crossfire thingy, the scaling issues are back.

my personal experience with the 4850 on my 19 inch monitor has been nothing but a huge disappointment.

i have more links if you want, which shows that a 3way SLI of GTX 280 performs equall good & in some benchmarks, better than the HD4870x2 cards.

[keith_j_snyder2]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

I heard AMD released new drivers...

Besides, its already true.

AMD beats nVidia at uber high resolutions like 2400x1600, with 4xAA, 8xAA, etc.
AMD beats nVidia in areas UBER gamers, people who usually buy such hardware, care about.

nVidia has nothing to be proud of if GTX295 has higher FPS than HD4870X2 in MineSweeper.

So true. 4870X2 kills GTX295 in super high resolution. Why bothering this uber high end card if one's gonna play games in less than 1920X1080. Besides 4870X2 sells for $50 less than GTX295, even GTX295 got few points(in lower resolutions), the 4870x2 is a better buy for that price.

[MetalheadGautham]

LOOK, if the game is playable at max settings at lower resolutions, then why worry ?
When it can play 2600xsomethingelse at max settings at playable FPS, ANYTHING can be played.
Thats what matters.

[LoRdKsHiTiJ]

[sarcasm]This is the reason i love thinkdigit forums. It never fails to show just what kind of morons are filled here.

Knowledge is power you egotistical nooblets. Gain some knowledge on what you speak.[/sarcasm]

[amitash]

^look whose talkin...now its 9600gt sli eh?

[hellgate]

^^^ & next it'll be 8500GT SLI on a CrossFire mobo

[IronManForever]

^ On a Tagan 1600W PSU? *

* Just for fun, hope you do not mind.

[comp@ddict]

Lolz yes^^^

Originally Posted by LoRdKsHiTiJ

those are obviously fake, compaddict. you should know better than to just follow 1 brand blindly for no good reason. you don't like nvidia, thats ok but theres no reason for you to justify that what you have or like, is better than nvidia. personally if u ask me, the 4870x2 and the whole ATI itself a load of horse sh33t. anyways, take a look at these links.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...95,2107-5.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-295-preview/8
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...ggtx295/6.html
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid...e=expert&pid=3

these should give you a proper & legit perspective of how powerful each of the top-end cards actually are.

as for general speaking point of view, i feel nvidia is better off.
why?
it doesn't have driver issues like ATI catalyst drivers.
it scales well. ATI cards had scaling issues for which they made new generation 4870x2 cards but when you put 2 of 4870x2 together in a quad crossfire thingy, the scaling issues are back.

my personal experience with the 4850 on my 19 inch monitor has been nothing but a huge disappointment.

i have more links if you want, which shows that a 3way SLI of GTX 280 performs equall good & in some benchmarks, better than the HD4870x2 cards.

I saw it, and posted, but didn't really say a word about it anywhere in the thread.

[amitash]

anyone know the price of gtx295 in india?
Im thinking of picking one up

[hellgate]

sud be bout 30-35k.
the other day was bout to buy a evga GTX280 for 25.5k.didnt buy it cuz i'll hafta get a new cabby for it.my Zebby Antibiotic wont accomodate that card.

[amitash]

35k? I dont think its worth it...thats 700$ compared to 500$ in US.... I'm thinking of HD4850 crossfire...Its performance is really good at higher resolutions with the new drivers.

[LoRdKsHiTiJ]

Something bothers me. If ATI is as good as you all say it is,

1. why does it have to resort to cheap marketing tricks?
2. why doesn't it bother doing something about excessive heat?
3. why doesn't it make useful/meaningful drivers?

What ati does now with its drivers is what microsoft does with their windows products, lol!
ATI releases new drivers to patch up blunders they created in the earlier versions, whereas nvidia releases new drivers to increase their performance with their cards.
its a fact.

@compaddict
lemme rephrase what you had typed earlier....

I saw it, I liked it and posted, but didn't really say a word about it anywhere in the thread because ATI is my choice too.

[comp@ddict]

Originally Posted by LoRdKsHiTiJ

What ati does now with its drivers is what microsoft does with their windows products, lol!
ATI releases new drivers to patch up blunders they created in the earlier versions, whereas nvidia releases new drivers to increase their performance with their cards.
its a fact.

I AGREE TO THIS

1. why does it have to resort to cheap marketing tricks?
2. why doesn't it bother doing something about excessive heat?
3. why doesn't it make useful/meaningful drivers?

1. I love these.
2. Seen GTX295?
3. Yes, they lag in drivers.

Originally Posted by amitash

35k? I dont think its worth it...thats 700$ compared to 500$ in US.... I'm thinking of HD4850 crossfire...Its performance is really good at higher resolutions with the new drivers.

Don't but the GTX295, just now they will release 40nm GT212, their enthusiast card in March, and then they will launch GTX350 in Q2 2009 or early Q3 with DX11 support.

[4T7]

I really hope nvidia dies this year

[x3060]

well, sooner or later we all finds that what ever we quarrel about , when it comes to buying them, we go for the affordable one that works well and provides good VFM....now who ever wins here , am with them.

[MetalheadGautham]

Nvidia will live.

Either it will retain market share (It already almost OWNS the notebook and embedded market),

OR it will end up being bought by Intel to counter AMD if it fails.

[LoRdKsHiTiJ]

2. Seen GTX295?

as far as i've read on the internet, gtx 295 consumes less power compared to 4870x2. it dissipates heat far far lesser than 4870x2.
the 4870x2 is like an oven.

but, thats what i have read. if you can w8 till june, im heading off to buy a gtx 295 around that time & then i can tell you my own personal experience with that card. but yes i have already tried 4870x2. its hot. i need to keep my side panel open at all times if im to play assasins creed or crysis warhead with 4870x2.

im actually waiting for ati to release their 5800 series. love to see how hot those would run. lol.

[amitash]

^Why are you so biased?

ATi were no where near the competetion till the release of the 4xxx series, due to these competetions WE are seing lower and lower prices from both vompanies...Isnt that a good thing for the consumer?...An yes I agree ATi's cards DO run hot but on the other hand, If you are going to buy a good gaming rig, I hardly think that you are going to worry about power consumption, you are just going to look for the best vfm....In processors core i7 runs much hotter and has a 135W TDP higher than other processors but you dont see people complaining.

And its probably your cable management or maybe a cluttered cabinet thats preventing you from using a HD4870x2.

[MetalheadGautham]

I agree with amitash.

RV770 brought ATI from nowhere to somewhere waaaaay above everybody's expectations.
The GTX200 series GPUs were once said to be the ultimate product to kill AMD.
Look what happened ?
AMD raised ATI to never seen before hights.
And CrossFireX scaling issues have long become obsolete.

And with the launch of Energy Efficient RV730 and RV710, AMD is finally able challenge nVidia in an area where it lost most of the time - portable computers.

Now that RV770 was such a big hit, I suppose AMD is going to make RV870 on the same foundation, but with a 40nm process and finally start optimising the cards for power consumption and heat dissipation. THEN we can finally see a much more matured product lineup from AMD, along with propably better drivers.

Hopefully OpenCL, OpenGL 3.0, GEM, etc would also be fully supported by the time RV870 is released.

[Liverpool_fan]

I hope both nVidia and ATi keep beating each other again and again and with no clear winner, better performance, and price cuts each time.

[comp@ddict]

Originally Posted by LoRdKsHiTiJ

as far as i've read on the internet, gtx 295 consumes less power compared to 4870x2. it dissipates heat far far lesser than 4870x2.
the 4870x2 is like an oven.

but, thats what i have read. if you can w8 till june, im heading off to buy a gtx 295 around that time & then i can tell you my own personal experience with that card. but yes i have already tried 4870x2. its hot. i need to keep my side panel open at all times if im to play assasins creed or crysis warhead with 4870x2.

im actually waiting for ati to release their 5800 series. love to see how hot those would run. lol.

GTX295 consumes less than 340W? GTX260 55nm does 189W, twice is 378W, make it a tad lesser at 360W, but still HD4870x2 is better.

While GTX295 isn't available anywhere below 500$(actually much more than 549$), HD4870x2 is already available for 439$.

I think that counts, and today, Catalyst 9.1 drivers were released,and they are really good I hear.