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29-12-2008, 09:37 PM
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The truth behind the cost of text messaging
What are you currently paying for your text messaging? Is it 20 or 25 ps or are you one of the millions of users who buy a text messaging package with your phone every month?
Regardless what you pay, you're over paying. Not that this comes as a surprise to many but the New York Times has divulged in great detail how bad your actually being ripped off.
Wireless carriers have a "control channel" for sending text messages, This channel is used for that task, in fact every time your cell phone communicates with the tower it uses the "control channel" regardless if you text or not. Simply, the text message is small enough that it piggy backs in the control channel if needed; there is no impact on the tower because of the message; but text messages are not just tiny; they are also free riders, tucked into what's called a control channel, space reserved for operation of the wireless network."
The reasoning of the limit length of 160 characters has nothing to do with the handset or networks capability. It revolves around the control channels extra space to allow for a text message to piggy back its way to the tower. In fact, it doesn't cost the carrier much more to send 100 million text messages versus the cost of sending 1 million text messages. Plain and simple, you're being ripped off and the carriers don't care.
Source: http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/1...text-messaging
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29-12-2008, 10:06 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
So is there any effect on Indian Networks? I want free SMSs
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29-12-2008, 10:45 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
And to think that the Companies actually sell bulk Sms services at cost.
However SMS is where the Service Provider actually earn.So def this is not coming down anytime soon.
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29-12-2008, 11:04 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
Send this to TRAI
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29-12-2008, 11:15 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
As if erecting towers comes at zero cost ot dirt-cheap. Also, most of the times we pay for the premium rather than the technicalities behind it.
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29-12-2008, 11:26 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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Send this to TRAI
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what do u think TRAI dont know this......!!
Buddy they know all these.....!!
but they cant do anything.....!!
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30-12-2008, 03:09 AM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
well thats how somethings are...you pay more first time, when competition and awareness rises, prices will fall.
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30-12-2008, 09:51 AM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
Guys.. be happy.. here in the US you pay even for receiving an SMS.. Beat that!!!  (Apart from paying for incoming calls on weekdays!)
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30-12-2008, 09:55 AM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
^^Strange. US mein sab cheez ka paisa lagta hai kya?
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30-12-2008, 10:41 AM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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Guys.. be happy.. here in the US you pay even for receiving an SMS.. Beat that!!!  (Apart from paying for incoming calls on weekdays!)
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30-12-2008, 12:16 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
^^^ Yeah... cellphone services (calls/sms whatever) is cheapest in India. In the US its shamelessly high.. I pay 20 cents for each incoming and outgoing SMS.. believe it or not!
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30-12-2008, 12:24 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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Originally Posted by infra_red_dude
^^^ Yeah... cellphone services (calls/sms whatever) is cheapest in India. In the US its shamelessly high.. I pay 20 cents for each incoming and outgoing SMS.. believe it or not!
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Well, if you do a Dollar to Rupee conversion, ofcourse you will find it high. But you need to look at it from a broader perspective. People over there also earn a lot more than us. It may still be more expensive than India, but the difference is not as much as you first think it is.
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30-12-2008, 12:24 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
stupid US operators.. They can reduce sms charge to even 10ps/sms, that not a bad deal..
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30-12-2008, 01:08 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
see this excert from a news.
"A consumer commission imposed a fine of Rs 1 crore on Airtel and Star Plus over alleged unfair trade practices practiced during ‘Kon Banega Crorepati’ shows. The alleged misconduct was for the ‘Har Seat Hot Seat’ contest which according to the commission violated the consumer protection Act.
“Star Plus and the Bharti Airtel Ltd are directed to pay jointly damages of Rs.10 million. They are hereby directed to deposit the said sum of Rs.10 million with the registrar of this commission, who in turn, shall deposit the same to the credit of the Consumer Welfare Fund,” said Justice Shah.
According to the commission Airtel netted huge amounts since the SMS was charged Rs 2.4 to the number against normal charging of Re.1. Airtel had reportedly received about 5.8 million SMSs."
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30-12-2008, 02:24 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
What's new in it? I knew that. You think the towers are there for free, and no electricity is used? A lotta power is required. Also, how will the operators earn without charging us?
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30-12-2008, 08:34 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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Originally Posted by Pat
Well, if you do a Dollar to Rupee conversion, ofcourse you will find it high. But you need to look at it from a broader perspective. People over there also earn a lot more than us. It may still be more expensive than India, but the difference is not as much as you first think it is.
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Isn't like what you think. If you "text" (the synonym for SMS) here, then its a big deal! People act as if they've done heroic act  (just exaggerating but its still a big deal, sending SMS is not common here).
Just that the people in this thread were whining about SMS and stuff made me point that that we pay even for receiving an SMS here.
Regarding being expensive.. well it sure is, even the Americans feel so.
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30-12-2008, 08:41 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
Ye bahut tension rehti hogi ki kahi message na aa jaye...  Hey Bhagwaan please message mat bhijwana...  Give me your Cell Number I will sms you via jaxtr for free  Please Give
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30-12-2008, 08:44 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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^^^ Yeah... cellphone services (calls/sms whatever) is cheapest in India. In the US its shamelessly high.. I pay 20 cents for each incoming and outgoing SMS.. believe it or not!
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when u consider PPP, it comes out that on a avg, stuff is 4 times costlier in USA than India. hence in reality $1 = Rs.12.5/-
so ur paying Rs 2.5/- (in indian equivalent) for every message.... not too bad except that they charge for incoming!!!
PS:atleast computer hardware is dirt cheap over there!!!  
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31-12-2008, 01:59 AM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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Ye bahut tension rehti hogi ki kahi message na aa jaye...  Hey Bhagwaan please message mat bhijwana...  Give me your Cell Number I will sms you via jaxtr for free  Please Give 
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Exactly dude!  But a good thing is that you can block incoming SMS.
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when u consider PPP, it comes out that on a avg, stuff is 4 times costlier in USA than India. hence in reality $1 = Rs.12.5/-
so ur paying Rs 2.5/- (in indian equivalent) for every message.... not too bad except that they charge for incoming!!!
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Hmm.. I wudn't fully agree to the factual part but surely agree with the conceptual part. There still is much value for $1. You can get quite some stuff which you will probably not get in India for its equivalent.
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31-12-2008, 03:42 AM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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Isn't like what you think. If you "text" (the synonym for SMS) here, then its a big deal! People act as if they've done heroic act  (just exaggerating but its still a big deal, sending SMS is not common here).
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Not true. Most teens n college students are text addicts like in India. And most of them get unlimited txt package for as low as $10. Definitely you pay more probably you are using some prepaid connection. I pay $25 for unlimited 3G and 400 text. Definitely cheaper than India in terms of PPP (as well as direct conversion too).
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31-12-2008, 05:52 AM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
^^^ Now that is news to me! Yep, I'm on pre-paid. Gotta check out the post paid offers. Unlimited text for $10??!!
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31-12-2008, 06:33 AM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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Ye bahut tension rehti hogi ki kahi message na aa jaye...  Hey Bhagwaan please message mat bhijwana...  Give me your Cell Number I will sms you via jaxtr for free  Please Give 
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Compare this to those vodafone ads which advertise numbers as 'Call me' for 10p for each incoming call.
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31-12-2008, 11:48 AM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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Not true. Most teens n college students are text addicts like in India. And most of them get unlimited txt package for as low as $10. Definitely you pay more probably you are using some prepaid connection. I pay $25 for unlimited 3G and 400 text. Definitely cheaper than India in terms of PPP (as well as direct conversion too).
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Kahani mein Twist ?
@Amitava: here, you get 3000 text for Rs. 30/-, roughly 60cents.
But yeah, 3G is different.
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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^^^ Now that is news to me! Yep, I'm on pre-paid. Gotta check out the post paid offers. Unlimited text for $10??!!
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Sounds like you are single!
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31-12-2008, 12:36 PM
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31-12-2008, 03:07 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
i am paying daily rental of 1 ruppe to get sms for 5 paise... how ridiculous...
this wht people call as DAY ROBBERY....
and how u beat or get back the money ??
use free gprs through some trick.. and let them eat S###T  )
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31-12-2008, 03:22 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
I think best thing is to get a Symbian S60 phone, install SymTorrent, get one of those mobile internet browsing CDMA 144kbps internet plans for 120 rupees per month and download the sh!t out of your service provider. Low power consuption by phone helps
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31-12-2008, 03:54 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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i am paying daily rental of 1 ruppe to get sms for 5 paise... how ridiculous...
this wht people call as DAY ROBBERY....
and how u beat or get back the money ??
use free gprs through some trick.. and let them eat S###T  )
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You are from India na? So what sort of plan you are using? Post Paid
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I think best thing is to get a Symbian S60 phone, install SymTorrent, get one of those mobile internet browsing CDMA 144kbps internet plans for 120 rupees per month and download the sh!t out of your service provider. Low power consuption by phone helps 
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Nice Idea!  But sab log to nai khareed sakte hai na dost?
Last edited by mrintech; 31-12-2008 at 03:55 PM.
Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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31-12-2008, 04:03 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
It's unfair to compare our rates to the US.
My cousin there mentions the same as infra_red_dude and amitava82 that call and text rates are really cheap in India as compared to the US (then again, cell phones are cheaper there than in India, so maybe that balances everything to some extent)
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31-12-2008, 04:39 PM
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Re: The truth behind the cost of text messaging
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Send this to TRAI 
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what do you think..these TRAI people Don't know this ha..They All know this and they are kinda cheating us..
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