AMD shows off Phenom II overclocked to 6.3GHz

[4T7]

After initial disappointment with the original Phenom processors, AMD showed off its upcoming 45nm ‘Deneb’ desktop chip – now confirmed as Phenom II – for reviewers at an event in Texas this week, and overclocked the second-generation quad-core part to what some observers said was 6.3GHz.

The company reached such clock speeds by using liquid nitrogen at an amazing -196C to cool the processor – apparently the new AMD design works flawlessly from -200C to +100C. Of course not many people have access to such extreme cooling methods but the demo should at least show that the new Phenom II processors are scalable when it comes to clock speeds and quite stable at high frequencies.

The Phenom II parts were also able to hit 4GHz with air cooling and 5GHz with dry ice cooling. By comparison, Intel's top Core i7 processor listed as a 3.2 GHz part has been overclocked to 4.5 GHz on air cooling alone and some claim to have taken it to 5.7GHz using liquid nitrogen. The top Phenom II chip, due out sometime in the first quarter of 2009, will reportedly list as 3.0 GHz off the shelf.

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[ultimategpu]

Dude why are you wasting time , many of them in this forum wont accept what u say , they always say only one thing "INTEL IS RULING THE PROCESSOR WORLD"

We know What the Real truth is !
After The AMD Shows up Every one Will see !!!


One Thing AMD is the first one to bring up the Easy overclocking Above 6ghz

• what u have mentioned is FX-80&84 phenomFX series this will launch @ 09/feb

FX-84 can be overclocked to 7Ghz , that mind blowing clock speed its truth i know that .... True Gamers Wait for the "DENEB" processor !!!

Kill The upcoming Games with PHENOM FX - 80 & 84

Phenom Fx - 80 & 84 are the gamer series like INTEL C2Duo E8400/8500 . but
Phenom Fx - 80 & 84 can kill the core 2 duo and core 2 quad complete series in Gaming

[ico]

What we have to see is that will they really be faster than Core i7?

[4T7]

Originally Posted by gagandeep

What we have to see is that will they really be faster than Core i7?

Me thinks in performance to price ratio they'll easily beat i7

[ultimategpu]

FX-80 & 84 are the compete of the "BLOOMFIELD" intel proc (corei7 extreme)

[MetalheadGautham]

Clock speed is not as important as efficiency per clock and power efficiency. Thats what AMD themselves said back in the Athlon 64 days.

EDIT: here is the full source http://www.crn.com/hardware/212101254

[damngoodman999]

Yes, but the AMD 's new 45nm architecture on 6+ Ghz clock speed means ,,, the games will be running as fast as it can handle no doubt about it , but still now AMD is trying to conquer the gamers and graphical user thats their only passion .......... they are not aiming at the computing .

1. Games always need higher clock speed first to run the games as it is
2. the future games concentrated on Quad core and low power transistors (45nm & 32nm)
3. Maximum bandwidth between the GPU & CPU (no doubt AMD is still now ahead on memory bandwidth)

[comp@ddict]

Dude, 6GHz+ comes at -185C temperature, and 1.9VCore, I dun think someone anyhow wud be doing that for jus gaming.

[Hrithan2020]

Originally Posted by damngoodman999

Yes, but the AMD 's new 45nm architecture on 6+ Ghz clock speed means ,,, the games will be running as fast as it can handle no doubt about it , but still now AMD is trying to conquer the gamers and graphical user thats their only passion .......... they are not aiming at the computing .

1. Games always need higher clock speed first to run the games as it is
2. the future games concentrated on Quad core and low power transistors (45nm & 32nm)
3. Maximum bandwidth between the GPU & CPU (no doubt AMD is still now ahead on memory bandwidth)

AFAIK, core i7 has better memory bandwidth than the current AMD. But, AMD Phenom II will have comparable bandwidth..
What did you mean by games concentrated on low power transistors? (low power, eventually meaning better overclock possible?).

And I do really hope that AMD becomes really competitive in the 100-500$ range. (Personally, I don't think they will be able to pwn the high-end nehalem,but that is fine.

@AMD fanboys,
Traditionally AMD has been better at overclocking;but there is no denying the fact that the current intel processors are much better overclockers. But this gap has been narrowing (since the mobo update which tweaked the overclock ability of Phenom) and now with the Phenom II, I really think AMD would go pretty even wrt Intel.

[4T7]

Originally Posted by comp@ddict

Dude, 6GHz+ comes at -185C temperature, and 1.9VCore, I dun think someone anyhow wud be doing that for jus gaming.

But 4ghz+ on air is not bad either and people will settle for it

[hellgate]

seems interesting.6.3GHz on air thats good.
even i wud like to see some gud competiton from AMD in procies.
sud lower prices of Core i7 quicker.

[comp@ddict]

Originally Posted by hellgate

seems interesting.6.3GHz on air thats good.
even i wud like to see some gud competiton from AMD in procies.
sud lower prices of Core i7 quicker.

LN2 dude!!! NOT AIR!!!

[amitash]

What i really want to know is will the phenom-ll be able to overclock and perform better than the intel i7 chips on normal air cooling.. are there any links to the denebs temperatures on air?..I also want to know if the TRUE can fit on the LGA-1366 socket without any additional brackets as Im getting an i7-920 within a week (ordered in the US).

[MetalheadGautham]

Lolz yeah. Water Cooling is the max us "normal" people can think of. Infact, many OCers, especially casual ones, are also not intrested in getting ANY cooling at all. They want uber overclocks on from cheap CPUs on stock cooling on cheap motherboards. Looking at the way people overclocked Intel's E2160 on a P31 board, I wouldn't blame them for expecting something similar from AMD.

[comp@ddict]

Originally Posted by amitash

What i really want to know is will the phenom-ll be able to overclock and perform better than the intel i7 chips on normal air cooling.. are there any links to the denebs temperatures on air?..I also want to know if the TRUE can fit on the LGA-1366 socket without any additional brackets as Im getting an i7-920 within a week (ordered in the US).

After getting i920, don't make any other upgrades.

Straightaway, get HD5870X2 or HD5870X4 next year.

[damngoodman999]

No way that 6.5ghz could be on the air , corei7 started giving overclocking issues now what , AMD is no matter what DENEB is full & fully overclocking processor at the extent ..... the engineering sample of DENEB is overclocked to 7ghz on FX-84 (on the water cooling / on the dryice & liquid nitrogen it crossed 8.7ghz)

GAMERS one word wait for DENEB !!!

[4T7]

Originally Posted by damngoodman999

No way that 6.5ghz could be on the air , corei7 started giving overclocking issues now what , AMD is no matter what DENEB is full & fully overclocking processor at the extent ..... the engineering sample of DENEB is overclocked to 7ghz on FX-84 (on the water cooling / on the dryice & liquid nitrogen it crossed 8.7ghz)

GAMERS one word wait for DENEB !!!

When did this happen? any links

[MetalheadGautham]

And don't use the gamers tag loosely. Gamers also need large cache memory on the CPU and high memory clocks (unlike nehalem's 1333mhz limit, deneb needs to support 2400MHz DDR3 memory) and uber high memory bandwidth.

[damngoodman999]

Originally Posted by 4T7

When did this happen? any links

checked out in tube videos ::::

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

And don't use the gamers tag loosely. Gamers also need large cache memory on the CPU and high memory clocks (unlike nehalem's 1333mhz limit, deneb needs to support 2400MHz DDR3 memory) and uber high memory bandwidth.

If u say memory bandwidth is needed for the gamers means , the phenom 9550,9850 have 1800mhz !!! wat do u say about it

[x3060]

good healthy competitions

[hellgate]

Originally Posted by comp@ddict

LN2 dude!!! NOT AIR!!!

ooops...my bad.
thnx for correcting me.

Originally Posted by amitash

What i really want to know is will the phenom-ll be able to overclock and perform better than the intel i7 chips on normal air cooling.. are there any links to the denebs temperatures on air?..I also want to know if the TRUE can fit on the LGA-1366 socket without any additional brackets as Im getting an i7-920 within a week (ordered in the US).

no chance dood.no LGA775 cooler is gonna support the LGA1366 without a change of supporting brackets.since the socket is physically bigger current gen coolers wont support it without changing the bracket.

[damngoodman999]

Corei7 cooler are great one .... i like it

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by damngoodman999

If u say memory bandwidth is needed for the gamers means , the phenom 9550,9850 have 1800mhz !!! wat do u say about it

Yeah but the cache ? The last time I checked, each core in a Phenom had 512KB L2 Cache and there was a 2MB shared slow L3 cache. Compare this to the Core2Quad Q9550's 12MB shared L2 cache.

Thats it for gaming. Lets see other things about AMD, shall we ?

Lets now look at clock to clock performance. The most powerful phenom, clocked at 2.66GHz, only manages to tie to the cheaper Core2Quad Q6600 clocked at 2.4GHz and looses miserably to Core2Quad Q6700 at 2.66GHz.

For avoiding guys who start shouting that Phenom is still 65nm and hence I can't bring in CPUs from Intel which are 45nm, in my previous clock to clock comparison I considered only 65nm intel CPUs.

But NOW, lets see the real market situation in terms of absolute performance. Phenom X4 9550BE, the best AMD has to offer. Priced at 11.5K. Lets give it an overclocking 4.2K Jetway 780G/SB750 board shall we ? And lets compare it to a 9K Core2Quad Q8200, clocked at 2.33GHz and with 4MB L2 cache(same as AMD) in a MSI P45 Neo-F motherboard at around 6K. Now, lets give both some cheap 2K air cooling. Benchmarks put the budget quad core Q8200 of being able to do 4Ghz, while the enthusiast phenom manages 3.5Ghz. And benchmarks ? Intel is waaaaaaay ahead of AMD in all respects, and in gaming it leads AMD by a huge margin.

Did you know that Phenom K10 carried only a few improvements over Athlon 64 K8 architecture ? And this Phenom failed to overthrow even Intel's cheapest offerings. How do you expect it, with a die shrink, to perform to the level of Nehalem, a completely new and improved architecture from Intel taking all the advantages of Penryn and adding measures to combat all of AMD's strong points and also having lots of improvements in energy efficiency ?

AMD have themselves stated that they do not intend to compete with Intel Core i7 with Denebs. I have a lot of respect for AMD, but I am not like one of you fanboys who go about bashing intel whenever you get a chance to, and that without any base for the arguement.

I doubt AMD can win back the ultimate performance crown in Desktop sector before the release of AMD Bulldozer.

[comp@ddict]

^^True, cuz recent speculations tell that PhenomII wud actually end up competing with Q9xxx series in performance terms.

[GauravCJ]

It's funny how majority people get excited on seeing something hit the 6.3GHz mark. Fancy aside, how many even realize that their wallet wills lighten a lot when purchasing an aftermarket liquid cooling system? much less a liquid nitrogen system which would cost all the kidneys of their families put together?

[Zangetsu]

Hmm..now Amd is ready 4 the ghz war.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by GauravCJ

It's funny how majority people get excited on seeing something hit the 6.3GHz mark. Fancy aside, how many even realize that their wallet wills lighten a lot when purchasing an aftermarket liquid cooling system? much less a liquid nitrogen system which would cost all the kidneys of their families put together?

Actually, a basic liquid (water) cooling system costs only Rs. 2,400. And cheap quality air cooling around 2,200. Below that there are different varieties of air cooling, with cheaper than cheap stuff available. But all that is usually for the 4GHz range, which itself should be enough for most people.

[GauravCJ]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

Actually, a basic liquid (water) cooling system costs only Rs. 2,400. And cheap quality air cooling around 2,200. Below that there are different varieties of air cooling, with cheaper than cheap stuff available. But all that is usually for the 4GHz range, which itself should be enough for most people.

Correct, but if you read my post again, you'll see I was referring to the cooling apparatus required to reach the 6.3GHz mark, not the mainstream coolers used for hitting 4GHz.

[comp@ddict]

For that u need LN2, and also u need to be filthy rich

[amitash]

LN2 cooling can never be used for day to day computing