Best Internet Security Suite of 2008???

[ico]

Originally Posted by dreams

But I work for Symantec

Tell them to improve...

How much they program their software in Assembly language??

NOD32 is programmed mostly in Assembly language thats why it is light on resources.

[hacker.kracker]

Originally Posted by gagandeep

Okay Okay....Be happy Trend Micro is better than Kaspersky.........be happy now

You didn't believe that I've used Trend Micro IS 2008: I showed you the screenshot. All thanks to Demonoid which returned........Now be happy

I again say....Trend Micro has the most features but it is a resource hog. May be not for you, but for me it is.....Thats why I switched to NOD32 + Comodo

Fight over......

Offtopic: What was in that post?? I don't see it here.

Edit: Even my post containing that screenshot of TM IS 2008 on my PC is deleted........

Well the funny thing is that i never was of any opinion that we were fighting, at the first place - and certainly i never said i doubted, if you ever used Tm 2008 - i only said your initial post did not in anyway indicate the use of TM2008.

Ok now you dont have to admit Tm is better than Kaspersky for the sake of it - the results are out and you can see the result for the best internet security of 2008 right here http://www.protectstar-testlab.org/a...st_eng_web.pdf

The first place goes to Norton 2008
The second place to Trend micro 2008 ( remember the pro edition was not tested - else it would have scored over norton for features )
The thrid place for Avira

Est is in fifth place while Kaspersky way down the bottom of the table at 10th spot !!!!!

[hullap]

Originally Posted by hacker.kracker

The first place goes to Norton 2008

WTF
Nortan at top
x(

[ico]

Originally Posted by hacker.kracker

Well the funny thing is that i never was of any opinion that we were fighting, at the first place - and certainly i never said i doubted, if you ever used Tm 2008 - i only said your initial post did not in anyway indicate the use of TM2008.

Ok now you dont have to admit Tm is better than Kaspersky for the sake of it - the results are out and you can see the result for the best internet security of 2008 right here http://www.protectstar-testlab.org/a...st_eng_web.pdf

The first place goes to Norton 2008
The second place to Trend micro 2008 ( remember the pro edition was not tested - else it would have scored over norton for features )
The thrid place for Avira

Est is in fifth place while Kaspersky way down the bottom of the table at 10th spot !!!!!

WTF, if they can give the 1st position to Norton, they can do anything....

Feature wise, I had myself admitted that no-one can compete with TM in terms of features.......I've used TM right from its 2006 version which was the best IMHO....

And believe me.....If I couldn't use NOD32 & Kaspersky, I'll always use Trend Micro. I just uninstalled because it was heavy on resources for me....Kaspersky is better than TM in terms of Heuristics and for me even in scanning. Its fast and takes less time to load. And yeah, no-one can beat NOD32 if we consider Heuristics. It has detected many Unknown viruses in my school without even being updated and they were real viruses.

And yeah, I've used almost every AntiVirus which you can name........

[hacker.kracker]

Originally Posted by gagandeep

WTF, if they can give the 1st position to Norton, they can do anything....

If they can place Kaspersky in the 10th spot, then i guess they can do anything more LOL.

But on a serious note, the test by http://www.protectstar.com
does not include spyware/adware - so much about they notion of the best antivirus internet security suite of 2008 !!

I just looked into the test done by http://www.virusbtn.com/
That includes adware/spyware and malware testing - its results also places Avira on the first place

Results here under :

Detection rates for malware, adware and spyware


Product Malware samples Adware and Spyware AntiVir (Avira) 99.3% 99.1% Avast! (Alwil) 98.8% 97.9% AVG 96.3% 98.6% AVK (G Data) 99.9% 99.9% BitDefender 97.8% 98.8% ClamAV 84.8% 82.4% Dr Web 90.4% 92.8% eScan 96.7% 92.1% eTrust / VET (CA) 72.1% 56.5% Fortinet-GW 92.4% 91.2% F-Prot (Frisk) 96.7% 92.0% F-Secure 96.8% 93.5% Ikarus 98.0% 98.8% K7 Computing 65.5% 59.5% Kaspersky 97.2% 92.0% McAfee 95.6% 98.6% Microsoft 97.8% 91.5% Nod32 (Eset) 97.8% 96.3% Norman 92.8% 91.9% Norton (Symantec) 95.7% 98.6% Panda 95.6% 95.6% QuickHeal (CAT) 85.7% 86.7% Rising 94.1% 95.9% Sophos 98.1% 98.8% Trend Micro 98.7% 95.1% TrustPort 99.6% 99.8% VBA32 89.9% 92.1% VirusBuster 76.2% 77.8% WebWasher-GW 99.9% 99.9% ZoneAlarm 96.4% 94.5%
Number of samples 1130556 83054

Overall results


Product malware on demand adware / spyware on demand false positives scan speed proactive detection response times rootkit detection cleaning AntiVir (Avira) ++ ++ (*1) + ++ + ++ + + Avast! (Alwil) ++ + + + o + o o AVG + ++ (*1) + + o o + o AVK (G Data) ++ ++ o -- + ++ -- - BitDefender + ++ o - ++ + + o ClamAV -- -- - -- - ++ -- -- Dr Web o o o o + o + + eScan + o o - + ++ -- -- eTrust / VET (CA) -- -- ++ o - -- + ++ Fortinet-GW o o -- + ++ + n/a (*2) n/a (*2) F-Prot (Frisk) + o + + - o o o F-Secure + o + o ++ + ++ + Ikarus ++ ++ o + + + o o K7 Computing -- -- o - - - -- -- Kaspersky + o o - + ++ + + McAfee + ++ ++ o + o + ++ Microsoft + o ++ o - -- o ++ Nod32 (Eset) + + ++ ++ ++ + + + Norman o o + - + o o o Norton (Symantec) + ++ ++ ++ + o ++ ++ Panda + + + + ++ o ++ o QuickHeal (CAT) - - o o o o - o Rising o + + o o o o + Sophos ++ ++ + + ++ + + + Trend Micro ++ + + + + + ++ + TrustPort ++ ++ - -- ++ ++ -- -- VBA32 - o o o + o o + VirusBuster -- -- + o - o o + WebWasher-GW ++ ++ o ++ ++ ++ n/a (*2) n/a (*2) ZoneAlarm + o o - + ++ + o
Index ++ = very good > 98% > 98% no FP < 2 h + = good > 95% > 95% 1 FP 2 - 4 h o = satisfactory > 90% > 90% 2 FP 4 - 6 h - = poor > 85% > 85% 3 FP 6 - 8 h -- = very poor < 85% < 85% > 3 FP > 8 h
So you see its a lot confusing - if anyone comes across a comprehensive testing results - please do post them here.

[Faun]

Avira is most underrated antivirus, IMO its better than paid ones too

[ico]

Originally Posted by hacker.kracker

If they can place Kaspersky in the 10th spot, then i guess they can do anything more LOL.

But on a serious note, the test by http://www.protectstar.com
does not include spyware/adware - so much about they notion of the best antivirus internet security suite of 2008 !!

I just looked into the test done by http://www.virusbtn.com/
That includes adware/spyware and malware testing - its results also places Avira on the first place

Yeah, Avira is good at scanning but for the comparison of the Heuristics......Check this: http://www.av-comparatives.org/seite...e/report16.pdf

Avira fares at the bottom. Detecting viruses while and On-Demand scan isn't everything.

NOD32 & Kaspersky are at the top.

[hacker.kracker]

Originally Posted by gagandeep

Yeah, Avira is good at scanning but for the comparison of the Heuristics......Check this: http://www.av-comparatives.org/seite...e/report16.pdf

Avira fares at the bottom. Detecting viruses while and On-Demand scan isn't everything.NOD32 & Kaspersky are at the top.

Mr gagandeep : the abave report are for test that were conducted in Aug 2007 and that to for Antivirus softwares and not internet security suites - again the topic here in is about Internet security suite 2008 !!

The is a huge difference between an Antivirus program and an Internet security suite !! You obsession for Nod & Kaspersky remains, despite the report that i have sited. You need to watch http://www.av-comparatives.org they will shorty post the same results on their own site.

Here's some thing i remember reading some where( but am not sure dont have me quoted ) - That Norton is now being built in Russia and the people who built kaspersky are behind Norton now - mabbe thats the reason Norton has been pushed up the rank !!!!

[ico]

Originally Posted by hacker.kracker

Mr gagandeep : the abave report are for test that were conducted in Aug 2007 and that to for Antivirus softwares and not internet security suites - again the topic here in is about Internet security suite 2008 !!

Its of November 2007........Still yet old.......Lets see for the new results

Originally Posted by hacker.kracker

The is a huge difference between an Antivirus program and an Internet security suite !! You obsession for Nod & Kaspersky remains, despite the report that i have sited. You need to watch http://www.av-comparatives.org they will shorty post the same results on their own site.

I think the scanning engine remains the same.......

And yeah, these are not the On-demand scan results. These are the Viruses discovered by the AV while running in the background and some detected by abnormal activity due to good Heurisitcs....

[go4saket]

Is there a site where we can test how strong our antivirus, anti-spyware and firewall are...

[hacker.kracker]

Originally Posted by gagandeep

Its of November 2007........Still yet old.......Lets see for the new results

Did you even read the report - if am right the reported is dated Nov 2007, and its about the test that was done in Aug2007 - and above it you are quoting results of Antivirus tests ( the topic in question is here is about internet security suite).

Originally Posted by gagandeep

I think the scanning engine remains the same.......

So what if the scan engine is the same! All cars have 4 wheels, does that mean all cars are equal? For example Kaspersky may have the best scan engine and detect 100% malwares sypwares, but it need not be the Best internet security suite, just because both uses the same scan engine.

Originally Posted by gagandeep

And yeah, these are not the On-demand scan results. These are the Viruses discovered by the AV while running in the background and some detected by abnormal activity due to good Heurisitcs....

Internet security suite and Antivirus program are not the same. And its not about detecting viruses, there is so much more to an Internet security suite. So the best Antivirus program can be placed right at the bottom of the best Internet security suite !!

[ico]

@hacker.kracker

I want to sum everything now.

Man, if you go through my previous posts -- I said TM IS has the most features, is a resource hog but didn't agree it being the best SCANNER.......

Refer to this post, even before your registered here: http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/show...1&postcount=54
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/show...3&postcount=59

Then you questioned me that I haven't used TM IS 2008, which I again proved you wrong by showing that Email and uploading the screenshots when Demonoid came back which unfortunately have been deleted by a mod.

In your thread, I again said TM IS 2008 has the most features: Kaspersky Vs Trend Micro but my vote went again for KIS due to low usage and better scanning (atleast for me) and also way better Heuristics.... KIS is only providing those features, which are going to be used, so is light.

Originally Posted by hacker.kracker

( the topic in question is here is about internet security suite).

So what if the scan engine is the same! All cars have 4 wheels, does that mean all cars are equal? For example Kaspersky may have the best scan engine and detect 100% malwares sypwares, but it need not be the Best internet security suite, just because both uses the same scan engine.

I very well know the QUESTION is about Internet Security Suite but I was contradicting your results of the SCANNING ENGINE (whatever even if they were of a Suite or AV).......

Originally Posted by hacker.kracker

Internet security suite and Antivirus program are not the same. And its not about detecting viruses, there is so much more to an Internet security suite. So the best Antivirus program can be placed right at the bottom of the best Internet security suite !!

I very well know this and too much of features like in TM IS 2008 which aren't even used make an Internet Security Suite bloaty and a resource hog and this is what I had said actually. I had no grudges against TM IS 2008 Pro, I've used it even for a longer time than you would probably had and even before you. (I was the 1st guy to upload its torrent on the internet...pirate...)

Read this month's digit, they've also said the same about TM IS 2008. Overly loaded Internet Security Suite though System usage is high...(resource hog)......


Not anymore interested in arguing with you as I and you, both are repeating the same things again.......

[drsubhadip]

i think avast is the best..

[hacker.kracker]

Originally Posted by gagandeep

@hacker.kracker

I want to sum everything now.
Man, if you go through my previous posts -- I said TM IS has the most features, is a resource hog but didn't agree it being the best SCANNER.......

Tm is a resource Hog? How can it possible be, i am running it on my P3 600 system with jus a little over 256+ ram !! You have used the product for just 25 days and posting reviews of TM ( i dont care if you had used TM all your life - for the topic is about Internet suites of 2008 - btw i had used TM way back in 2000 it self for a full year it was my first antivirus!)

I have no clue why you refuse to read the links i had provided - the recent testing by Av-comparatives.org says it all - the result is available at http://www.protectstar-testlab.org/ see page 12 -
It clearly states that Tm has registered a positive performance ( among others like Bitdefender, Eset, mcafee, and microsoft - kaspersjy is not listed ) So it appears how could you call TM a resource Hog? Your personal experiences is weird and short lived ( 25 days )

Originally Posted by gagandeep

I very well know the QUESTION is about Internet Security Suite but I was contradicting your results of the SCANNING ENGINE (whatever even if they were of a Suite or AV).......

Its not my results or test - i only cited tests conducted by Av-comparatives and here is another link http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/03_13a.xml I will post results here only of Kaspersky and TM - so here it goes
Results for Kaspersky :

malware on demand : + Good
adware / spyware on demand : o satisfactory
false positives : o satisfactory
scan speed : - poor
proactive detection : + Good
response times : ++ very good
rootkit detection :+ Good
cleaning : + Good

Results for Trend Micro :

malware on demand : ++ Very Good
adware / spyware on demand : + Good
false positives : + Good
scan speed : + Good
proactive detection : + Good
response times : + Good
rootkit detection :++Very Good
cleaning : + Good

Originally Posted by gagandeep

Read this month's digit, they've also said the same about TM IS 2008. Overly loaded Internet Security Suite though System usage is high...(resource hog)......

I prefer placing reasons on Av-comparatives results and testing !!

Originally Posted by gagandeep

Not anymore interested in arguing with you as I and you, both are repeating the same things again.......

And finally to give you the result about Detection rates for malware, adware and spyware ( since you keeping harping that Kaspersky as being superior - here is the link n results available ( you need to register on that site ) http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/03_13a.xml

Detection rates for malware, adware and spywares :

Kaspersky :

Malware samples : 97.2%
Adware and Spyware : 92.0%

Trend Micro :

Malware samples : 98.7%
Adware and Spyware : 95.1%

So much for your kaspersky detecting rates which you claim is high !! and i am sure you will have nothing more to argue indeed !!

[Faun]

Avira Antivir ftw loool even paid ones fail to get the cutting edge detection....tehehe

Btw I dont know why u people pay for antivirus, instead donate to some free antivirus co. so that we could see a better world. Future is for open source and not whacky license agreements, restriction.

[joey_182]

Shockingly no one or i shd very few of digitians voted for avira...
well i have used almost every common to uncommon anti virus...but never got such a relief after installing avira...i have personally tested these anti viruses with common viruses which i found on net or in my pen drive...

i found that KIS 7 and trend Micro are almost equal...but virus detection rate and database of avira is much better than both...for few viruses KIS was not even able to detect that virus even after fully updated...i was shocked...but now avira rocks... for me atleast....its too light..i wish i could vote for avira..


btw quick heal,mccafee,norton and avg sucks!!!

[legolas]

My combination seems to work best for me for abt 4-5 years now.
no firewall (now windows defender... damn thing comes along with Vista) + no Antivirus + no Internet security suite.
CCleaner & Hijack this & Spybot.

don't get me wrong. Either ways, windows doesn't last more than 3 months or something for me. With vista, its just a little longer, give or take 5-6 months. So, why bother installing a software which runs all the time driving you crazy when you are going to format anyway!

[gxsaurav]

Comodo Firewall + NOD32 (Disabled 99% of the time) + Ad muncher + IE 8 beta + IE 7 pro + Common sense.

[Faun]

yeah but I dont want to resinstall all the stuff and set it again (did i say am fed up of such things now, friggin driver installation etc and no i dont use acronis like shite). My windows is running fine, though I hardly use it now. Sometimes some my bro uses and his friends, so better with an Antivir and Comodo.

Though linux rocks, no fear, pure fun and entertainment, a bit of study too

Why take chances if u can prevent the things from happenin.

[hacker.kracker]

Originally Posted by joey_182

Shockingly no one or i shd very few of digitians voted for avira... !

Exactly - the irony is Avira is not included in the list for the opinion poll here in esp when its been tested as the best of 2008. Only goes to prove how much people are tech savvy.

I really want to try Avira, unfortunately i can only use Tm & KS for now - ive been urging my friends to try Avira - but its only time i move to Avira after removing KS from my laptop.

I am posting a link here to a site where from you can download hundreds of keygens ( be ware most or all of them are infected - i am equally warning people not to download the keygens if you do not have a good antivirus, and even if you do, never to use them - you are best advised to download them at your own risk and use your discretion. YOu can download the keygens here at http://kerleo.ik8.com/cracks1.htm

I have tried testing my TM antivirus by downloading the keygens to only find my trend micro is too good for it - i was simply unable to find a single keygens, that passed a virus free or spyware free test by trend micro - Tm Zaps every single keygens. A point to note is here the keygens are generally in compressed format like .rar or .zip so some antivirus programs may not be able to look into the compressed format ( not until you tweek the antivirus setings for example Tm can look deep into 3 levels of compressed format )

People are also advised to scan the files with the online scanners such as http://virusscan.jotti.org/
http://www.virustotal.com/
http://virscan.org/

As most you should know that no single antivirus is the best and that it may not be able to detect all the viruses !!

The idea behind this exercise is that i want those who are using Kaspersky Avira and other leading programs to try and download the keygens ( at ur own risk ) and try to see if your antivirus is able to detect them( both is compressed format and after extracting it ) and then scan the files online with the above sites and check for your self and assess the effectiveness of antivirus your using.

I have done this using trend micro and have compared the results with the online scanners too - TM finds literally all the keygens on that site as infected and i have cross checked with all the 3 online scanning sites - i was shocked with the results that some of the best know antivirus program does not detect the viruses, while Tm all most always does !!

So every one try the home test / exercise for your self and post the results here. Also let us know if the antivirus is able to zap the files on view ( on view scanning ), for Tm does just that.

Never Run the keygens on your computer ever !!

[rhitwick]

Hi guys............
I'm not here to vote or argue on any antivirus or security suite................I'm just going to share my experience..........

Till yesterday evening I've had Eset Security suite installed in my PC. In last few days whenever I scanned my PC(Full scan) it showed clean. But day by day it was becoming very slow, programs were not opening, some websites are not opening(including thinkdigit.com), unable to log in to Gmail; other websites were opening but very slow. There after my explorer started to crash every few minute.

I suspected a virus but Nod32 showed my system clean. I disconnected from net and installed "RemoveIT Pro v4 SE" provided in Digit DVD this month. I scanned my PC with it and it showed 19 viruses of which 6 were unable to handle by the s/w. I had to manually remove them. From safe mode I was able to delete only 4 of them some are even not deletable from safe mode (files are \Sys32\geBuSkHw.dll and \Sys32\urqPilcC.dll).

Then I uninstalled Nod32 and installed Avira Internet Security suite. I scanned my PC with it and voila! it captured 42 intrusions including 5 Adwares. (Additional info: it took <30 min to scan my 160 GB hdd of which 60% is full)

Now I'm facing an unique problem, whenever I double click on any of my drives instead of opening it, I'm given a "Open with..." menu (yeah, right....where u choose which file should open with which program..............I'm opening my drives by IE).

I'm going to format my PC today.......................and which security suite do u suggest to stick to KIS or Avira. Any other s/w I should install with these suites.

Any other getaway to fix my issue without formating PC.

HELP please.......................

[go4saket]

Originally Posted by hacker.kracker

I am posting a link here to a site where from you can download hundreds of keygens ( be ware most or all of them are infected - i am equally warning people not to download the keygens if you do not have a good antivirus, and even if you do, never to use them - you are best advised to download them at your own risk and use your discretion. YOu can download the keygens here at http://kerleo.ik8.com/cracks1.htm

Only because you are new to this forum, may be you will be spared. Just go through the rules of the forum and you will learn that you are not allowed to post anything that will encourage piracy.

I'm going to format my PC today.......................and which security suite do u suggest to stick to KIS or Avira. Any other s/w I should install with these suites.

I still would suggest KIS as I have tried many others, although not Avira till now, and am absolutely satisfies with it. Why should I try Avira when KIS is giving me satisfactory results.

[joey_182]

@rhitwick
Now I'm facing an unique problem, whenever I double click on any of my drives instead of opening it, I'm given a "Open with..." menu (yeah, right....where u choose which file should open with which program..............I'm opening my drives by IE).

well no need to format pc..again and staring from crap..
as avira has already done a pretty good job for u..now ur problem can be solved by just deleting autorun.inf file from every drive.by showing system hidden files...

[rhitwick]

Hi,
An update on my previous condition.............

After going home yesterday I rescanned my PC with Avira and found 10 intrusions.
Mainly 2 trojans and 2 Adwares.
Trojans:
TR/Crypt.XPACK.Gen
TR/CrivaCyset.A

ADWAARES or SPYwares:
ADSPY/Virtumonde.sby
ADSPY/Virtumonde.sca

Avira couldn't delete those files. Nor me by manually. I tried to remove it from SafeMode, safemode only with command prompt, removing any association with the files, trying to remove any attributes associating with it, renaming it............to sum up every possible option I could think then.............
BUt all in vain only one error msg I continued to get "Can't delete/rename the file as file in use...." some **** like this.

Ya...........at 2am at night I started formating and installing XP.
Now I've "KIS" and "SpyBot S&D"................
Any other S/W I'm adviced to install??

Just got a link on how to remove the trojans..............
http://www.bullguard.com/forum/10/HO...n--_48522.html

[hacker.kracker]

Originally Posted by go4saket

Only because you are new to this forum, may be you will be spared. Just go through the rules of the forum and you will learn that you are not allowed to post anything that will encourage piracy.

Did i even ask anyone to use the keygens ? Have i not put up a disclaimer ? Have i not warned people not to run those keygens ? Havnt i said that all of them are infected !!?

The link was meant for those who want to download them at their risk and check if their antivirus is able to find any viruses and compare it with 30 + odd virus programs scans available at online virus scanner like virusscan or jotti !!

Originally Posted by rhitwick

Hi,
An update on my previous condition.............

Ya...........at 2am at night I started formating and installing XP.
Now I've "KIS" and "SpyBot S&D"................
Any other S/W I'm adviced to install??

Just got a link on how to remove the trojans..............
http://www.bullguard.com/forum/10/HO...n--_48522.html

Tragedy at the first place - you didnt take Time to solve the problem quite like how you should have. I ve no clue why people jump the guns, and cant work on such issues patiently and they give up into formatting the computer !!

You found a way to remove the trojan after formatting !! so i guess you have learnt a lesson to be patient.

And for the advice you asked : well you need to install all the other softwares you were running previously LOL what else ...

On a serious note : i would prefer the the following -

1. Trend micro 2008 internet security pro ( ranked 2nd by Av-comparatives )
2. Lavasoft.de adware-se free edtion ( am using teh pro version )
3. ccleaner - its free- cant live without it
4. eraser - its free ( for secure delete and for deleting un-used space )
5. file shredder _ its free
6. pandora recovery - its free
7. Use a security suite and not just an antivirus program !

[rhitwick]

@hacker.kracker

buddy U know the pain of formating n reinstalling windows.............
jale pe namak mat chirak ............... plz

And u asked me to be patient..................I scanned my PC with any possible solution I could find for two days.......They traced but couldn't fix or delete the trojan.....

NO sites were opening in my PC..............so no way I could get a hint on what should I do.......
I found the solution from my office that day.............searching net for any help.........
and bad luck is that in my office all usb ports are disabled, downloading is blocked..........its hell.................Only thing is that U can get info but can't use it.............
so Sent the link to my mailbox for future ref.

And once again whoever formats and install windows don't insult them by asking them to be patient.................they ARE patient man...............they know what the **** they have to do for the next 3 hrs........

[Faun]

^^If u surf net religiously then get Ubuntu, you will never format ur PC.

And save the windows for other purpose.

Its just an advice, use it ar leave it

[ancientrites]

i dont use internet security becoz it slows my pc.i use below mentioned softwares.
avg7.5 antivirus free edition and super antispyware pro and both perform brilliantly.i was not even satisfied with avg 8.0 pro antivirus as resulting in slow boot up and shutdown.