Beijing Olympics: One tiny fake & one fiery fake

[karnivore]

The tiny fake:

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At the last moment a member of the Chinese politburo who was watching a rehearsal pronounced that the winner, a girl called Yang Peiyi, might have a perfect voice but was unsuited to the lead role because of her buck teeth.



So, on the night, while a pre-recording of Yang Peiyi singing was played, Lin Miaoke, who has already featured in television advertisements, was seen but not heard.

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The fiery fake

Beijing organizers confirmed Tuesday that some of the fireworks display featured prerecorded footage.


Fireworks that burst into the shape of 29 gigantic footprints were shown trudging above the Beijing skyline to the National Stadium near the start of the ceremony.
Though the footprint-shaped fireworks were real, some of the footage shown to television viewers around the world and on giant screens inside the "Bird's Nest" stadium featured a computer-generated three-dimensional image.

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Some people on this forum just can't get enough of China. Well....

[eggman]

Shame shame...puppy shame............
Specially for the lipsync one............. Just because someone is 'more pretty', she gets the credit for singing......Must be a heartbreaker for the singer girl.!!!

[ssk_the_gr8]

the singer thing.. is too much.. just becuz some girl is beautiful shes on stage.. even though she is not a singer

[karnivore]

^ Yes my friends, thats China for you.
Where,

People = Zit on a baboon's butt

[Ecko]

^^ Ha Ha Ha

People = Zit on a baboon's butt

Should've been in a movie

[Faun]

bad people doin what they do at best

[amitava82]

Look around you. You will find 1000s of such examples including some from your own life. Some people are just too jealous.

[kumarmohit]

So what more did you expect from teh Chinese. Never heard of the fake Chinese phone and all!

[karnivore]

Originally Posted by amitava82

Look around you. You will find 1000s of such examples including some from your own life.

Aha...so two wrongs do make a right. And they told me otherwise. Damn them. BTW, confusing "your own life" with others ?

Originally Posted by amitava82

Some people are just too jealous.

Yes indeed. Since Planet Earth has run out of countries, China has become something to be jealous of.

Lets see what we should be jeolous of:

No democracy- CHECK
No freedom of speech - CHECK
No freedom of movement - CHECK
No free press - CHECK
Heavily censored Internet - CHECK
Kill citizens and then charge their family for the bullets - CHECK
Displace citizens so rich can have some RnR - CHECK

Man I am turning GREEN.

[IronManForever]

Well;

Largest Growth Rate - CHECK
Largest Military - CHECK
Population Control - CHECK
Far Better Health Services - CHECK
Far Better Infrastructure - CHECK
3rd Country to go to Space - CHECK
Arguably The Largest Economy in Near Future - CHECK

Man Im turning GREEN as well.

[The_Devil_Himself]

Originally Posted by IronManForever

Well;

Largest Growth Rate - CHECK

ALl thanks to foreign investments.,hardly any big native company like Infosys.

Largest Military - CHECK

argg....what can I say....unnecessary expenditure in this world of nuke warfare.

only if bigger military meant better security,not anymore my friend.Kamikaze terrorists ftw! lol.

Population Control - CHECK

Obviously not by using condoms.

Far Better Health Services - CHECK

If anyone say that Indian health services is not competent,I would kill him right away.bleh.....you guys have no fuking Idea.

Far Better Infrastructure - CHECK

Rome wasn't built in a day

3rd Country to go to Space - CHECK

Does it even matter?

Arguably The Largest Economy in Near Future - CHECK

Or maybe not?

who knows.


Most importantly:Govt. is for people,people are not for Govt.I bet you wouldn't like to live in China.You abuse politicians here openly,there you would be hanged.

Growth comes at a price but the people of china have had to pay dearly.

Man Im turning GREEN as well.

You gotta respect your motherland no matter what you do,where you are and no matter how bad it is.

[IronManForever]

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

ALl thanks to foreign investments.,hardly any big native company like Infosys.

Does it matter? Why dont that many companies come and invest in India then?

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

argg....what can I say....unnecessary expenditure in this world of nuke warfare.

only if bigger military meant better security,not anymore my friend.Kamikaze terrorists ftw! lol.

I understand that larger Military doesnt necessarily imply better security. But bear in mind that India has the 2nd largest Military. If what you say is to be followed, then thers no reason to be proud that India has the 2nd largest military? We all know about the frequent bombings.. What are the security forces doing?
Chinese forces are atleast MORE effective. Internally I mean. Externally, we dont have much wars going on isnt it?

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

Obviously not by using condoms.

Again, does it matter? Indian population is becoming more and more difficult to sustain. At this rate of growth, do you in your best senses think that India may lead? The future?

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

If anyone say that Indian health services is not competent,I would kill him right away.bleh.....you guys have no fuking Idea.

Competent? Yes but at a smaller scale. Effective and holistic? No.

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

Rome wasn't built in a day

Still, India had more time.

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

Does it even matter?

Why not? Isnt Indian government trying to follow suit? I bet in a few years India will be doing the same.

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

Or maybe not?

According to present statistics, YES and YES. We of course do not know the future but folding ones arms and looking at the proceedings like a dumb, that aint gonna help.


Now Im really sorry for being so provoking, But lets face it, Its true. Human rights condition in China is bad, but thats the way Communism works. Tell me, how much good to the country has more human rights in India been? Both sides lack a lot many things..

And I APOLOGISE for hurting you al guys sentiments, but I stay in a region from where you can see it all best. I am a Nepalese and I know a bit of both, thats what fueled me to give my two cents.

Let this be a healthy discussion, not a flame war.

[nix]

^ agree 100%.
let us not flame each other. it is something very easy to do... instead we should try to be reasonable. those

[The_Devil_Himself]

Originally Posted by IronManForever

Does it matter? Why dont that many companies come and invest in India then?

party due to high taxes and infinte no. of licenses required.
Still,Our growth is sustainable whilst theirs is not by themselves.

I understand that larger Military doesnt necessarily imply better security. But bear in mind that India has the 2nd largest Military. If what you say is to be followed, then thers no reason to be proud that India has the 2nd largest military? We all know about the frequent bombings.. What are the security forces doing?
Chinese forces are atleast MORE effective. Internally I mean. Externally, we dont have much wars going on isnt it?

take a side dawg! you can't have both the head and the tail!

and do you think those internal bombings are done by some damn terrorist groups?Thats ignorant of you.of course this sucks even more but then again no country is perfect.

Again, does it matter? Indian population is becoming more and more difficult to sustain. At this rate of growth, do you in your best senses think that India may lead? The future?

YES IT DOES MATTER! its not a matter of choice there.

If I want to have half a dozen kids and I can support them,then I will have them!.Not so there my friend.Its good as long its your choice,it sucks when its forced.

countries like Netherlands have a negative population growth,the govt. actually promotes and aids couples with children.

Population is never a burden,its a boon if used correctly.And I don't see many people having a lot of kids anymore,wait 20 more years and you will see a negative growth curves here too which sucks even more.

Competent? Yes but at a smaller scale. Effective and holistic? No.

bleh....Like I said you don't have any Idea.Indian docs and hospitals are one of the best in the world,they are overburdened but they still work efficiently.

Maybe you don't know you have like 1-2 months waitime for a freaking dentist's appointment in US,just imagine some superspeciality.And not to forget the prohibiting costs.Medical tourism ftw!

Still, India had more time.

what can I say?60 years aren't many methink.

According to present statistics, YES and YES. We of course do not know the future but folding ones arms and looking at the proceedings like a dumb, that aint gonna help.

Are we just folding our arms and looking like a dumb?Lols.

DUDE,this is the time,India is the place! I am at the right place at the right time!

Now Im really sorry for being so provoking, But lets face it, Its true. Human rights condition in China is bad, but thats the way Communism works. Tell me, how much good to the country has more human rights in India been? Both sides lack a lot many things..

you said it my friend.for me:Humans\citizens over country anyday? who gives a damn about your skyscraoers when your citizens are not least bit happy?

maybe too much freedom have spoiled us,and we have forgot to appreciate little good things in life.Free uncensored Internet(mostly),Independent press,freedom of speech(which is so dear to anyone),RTI,etc etc.

And I APOLOGISE for hurting you al guys sentiments, but I stay in a region from where you can see it all best. I am a Nepalese and I know a bit of both, thats what fueled me to give my two cents.

Hurting? And No my friend you don't live in a place where you see the best.I have no Idea how an average nepalese percieves India,but I have an Idea now.and remember GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHERSIDE OF THE HEDGE.


Life sucks here sometimes(or maybe all the times),but still I know its my country and like no other country no matter how much we curse and abuse it.

Let this be a healthy discussion, not a flame war.

amen

[Xccentricity]

Lol this is turning out to be a debate,

The Chinese will go to any extent to showcase itself well even if it means suppressing its own people,

These Chinese would have been no where without the FDI USA and other countries have been poring in since 1980,

India has achieved most of its economic success and growth because of our home-grown companies,

The Chinese are preventing the Uyghurs of the Xinjiang province of even bracing their own religion(Islam) and prevent the Uyghur children and people from learning the Qu'ran and even demolished mosques.

[nix]

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

party due to high taxes and infinte no. of licenses required.
Still,Our growth is sustainable whilst theirs is not by themselves.

they made their economy attractive. they made infrastructure. to say that they are not in control of their economy is incorrect.

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

take a side dawg! you can't have both the head and the tail!

and do you think those internal bombings are done by some damn terrorist groups?Thats ignorant of you.

hmm.. you can say pakistan is behind all terrorist attacks india, but what do we do about it? we dont even warn them. pakistan will not dare to sponsor terrorism in china. no country dares to mess with china, as they will not hesitate to use force. they dont care for USA either. just wait till the olympics gets over, then they will show their true colors.

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

YES IT DOES MATTER! its not a matter of choice there.

If I want to have half a dozen kids and I can support them,then I will have them!.Not so there my friend.Its good as long its your choice,it sucks when its forced.

countries like Netherlands have a negative population growth,the govt. actually promotes and aids couples with childrens.

Population is never a burden,its a boon if used correctly.And I don't see many people having a lot of kids anymore,wait 20 more years and you will see a negative growth curves here too which sucks even more.

what you are saying doesnt make any sense. you cant have ten kids just coz you can support them. you have to think about india's resources too. we are running short of power, water and space. if we continue to multiply like this, then there wont be any space for farming and cities will keep becoming bigger and bigger and there wont be place for farming... what are you going to do then?? you may have money. but can you eat it? one day we in cities will have power outages like in villages. one day there will be so many ppl in india that passengers will have to jump off planes with parachutes coz there wont be place to land the plane...

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

Maybe you don't know you have like 1-2 months waitime for a freaking dentists appointment in US,just imagine some superficiality.And not to forget the prohibiting costs.

1-2 months to meet the dentist? that is exaggeration. that is not true. what a joke haha... they have few nos of docs coz students do what they feel like doing. not like here where colleges are factories mass producing engineers and docs. thats why we have very very few researchers. all the new stuff is made by them americans and we just work on that.

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

what can I say?60 years aren't many methink.

60 aint many? how many more you need? 300?. there are no excuses.

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

Are we just folding our arms and looking like a dumb?Lols.

what are we doing? really IT and freedom of press, expression is the only thing we can boast of.

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

you said it my friend.for me:Humans\citizens over country anyday? who gives a damn about your skyscraoers when your citizens are not least bit happy?

there will always be some people who wil be unhappy, you cant please all.

Originally Posted by The_Devil_Himself

Hurting? And No my friend you don't live in a place where you see the best.I am afraid Nepal isn't there on world's political map anywhere.No personal offense.I have no Idea how an average nepalese percieves India.and remember GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER ON THE OTHERSIDE OF THE FENCE.

respect people of all nationalities. what did you learn in school?. just coz he in nepal, doesnt mean he cant see or know anything. never degrade any country.

and i dont believe in flaming anybody. flamers are losers. when they dont have anything to say in defence, they flame. its the easiest thing they can do...

[The_Devil_Himself]

I will be short.

Originally Posted by nix

what you are saying doesnt make any sense. you cant have ten kids just coz you can support them. you have to think about india's resources too. we are running short of power, water and space. if we continue to multiply like this, then there wont be any space for farming and cities will keep becoming bigger and bigger and there wont be place for farming... what are you going to do then?? you may have money. but can you eat it? one day we in cities will have power outages like in villages. one day there will be so many ppl in india that passengers will have to jump off planes with parachutes coz there wont be place to land the plane...

exactly,I can have 10 children and still be considered equal to peeps with 1 kid.Its entirely my choice and having a choice doesn't mean you have to do it.

think rationally,will ya please?

read the bolded parts,I am sorry to say but you are a fuking racist my friend.You think people like you living in cities are different than the people living in villages.Anyways no point arguing over it.

1-2 months to meet the dentist? that is exaggeration. that is not true. what a joke haha... they have few nos of docs coz students do what they feel like doing.

I have never been to US but If some peeps from US say so,I would rather believe them.

not like here where colleges are factories mass producing engineers and docs.

still we,students, are competent enough for anything and generally better than any other country on an average.

And In case you don't know there are hardly about 8k MBBS seats in govt. colleges per year iirc.JUST 8K.

thats why we have very very few researchers. all the new stuff is made by them americans and we just work on that.

blah.....blah......blah.....why don't you go on and become a reseacher?

60 aint many? how many more you need? 300?. there are no excuses.

that was a comparative figure and yes there is no excuse!

what are we doing? really IT and freedom of press, expression is the only thing we can boast of.

you forgot shaktimaan and shahrukh khan ffs!

Seriously,ask the peeps who don't have them and you will know.We tend to take things for granted which isn't so in the first place.

respect people of all nationalities. what did you learn in school?. just coz he in nepal, doesnt mean he cant see or know anything. never degrade any country.

HYPOCRITES.you fuking degrade your OWN country.Obviously he knows nothing compared to me when it comes to India and life in india,don't you think so?

and i dont believe in flaming anybody. flamers are losers. when they dont have anything to say in defence, they flame. its the easiest thing they can do...

exactly.


no point arguing with ingrateful losers.

edit:
double quoted and bolded for attention.

I have no reason not to believe what they say.Medical tourism is for real ffs!

SOURCE

CONCLUSION:

I don't say India is a great-great country,but for god's sake,stop degrading it.It is what it is,and its upto us,the citizens, to do it better.Stop being a whining b!tch when you can be better.If you don't like something,do something about it.Penny penny makes many.Least you can do it stop badmouthing.

and lastly,if you think China and US and UK is better,then please move there.We don't need you anyways..

From RDB:No country is born great,they have to be made great.

No more posts in this thread.

[Faun]

^^you bear the burden of your words

[The_Devil_Himself]

^lol,start making sense or GTFO.

god,I hate wannabe orators..

[Faun]

^^STFU boi
You are venting out some accumulated pus

[kumarmohit]

I do not disagree with some of the points. Those which I do disagree with I have given answers for.

Originally Posted by IronManForever

Largest Military - CHECK

Here is a look at what the so called largest miltary is doing in the country...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananm...otests_of_1989
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong

Hardly something to be proud of...

Originally Posted by IronManForever

Population Control - CHECK

This also means that the country is losing people of working age faster than it can produce the work force. The PRC is expected to go too old to work in around a quarter of century because people are not ma,ing enough children to fulfil the jobs. Either way their economy is gonna end up in a big trouble.

Originally Posted by IronManForever

60 aint many? how many more you need? 300?. there are no excuses.

Ok not 300 may be but do you know that it took USA more than 150 years after its independence to reach its current status. It took the British Empire around 300 years to be built from a small island to a centralised system in which the sun never set! 60 years are not enough to make a decent state, you talking about a country!

[karnivore]

Originally Posted by nix

you cant have ten kids just coz you can support them. you have to think about india's resources too.

This wins the medal for the silliest comment.

[IronManForever]

To All...

I happened to post a few provoking things in the first place against the very sentiments of my Indian brothers; in retaliation to a preceding post which was demeaning to the very sentiments of my Chinese brothers; or for that matter, against thread itself. I apologise for speaking out any feelings that I have and though I have few more things to say with EVIDENCE, I would prefer holding myself back to preserve the harmony that we have in this thread.

Nevertheless; I request dear forum members to display some conduct in the usage of language.

and to The_Devil_Himself; I have stayed 4 years in India, 1 year in China and am a freelance journalist for The Kathmandu Post. So I would by default prefer not to bluff anything in a forum to demean my self-respect and have been holding my stand in this thread as well. Thank you.

[desiibond]

1-2 months to meet the dentist? that is exaggeration. that is not true. what a joke haha... they have few nos of docs coz students do what they feel like doing. not like here where colleges are factories mass producing engineers and docs. thats why we have very very few researchers. all the new stuff is made by them americans and we just work on that.

It's not exaggeration.

My uncle faced the headache of US medical service. he started having breathing problem and when asked at the hospital, he couldn't get appointment for weeks and for immediate appointment they can take it as emergency case but the medical bills will be in excess of 20,000USD. Just for breathing problem. In the end, he took some pills and flew back to India.
After coming back to India,

appoinment : 100 bucks
medicine : 500 bucks.

total 600 bucks for a good treatment.

Now, tell me? which is the safe place to live??

[Faun]

^^your motherland is always safe !

[trublu]

I guess it's time for the mods to move this thread to fight club.

[karnivore]

Originally Posted by IronManForever

I happened to post a few provoking things in the first place against the very sentiments of my Indian brothers; in retaliation to a preceding post which was demeaning to the very sentiments of my Chinese brothers; or for that matter, against thread itself.
....
I have stayed 4 years in India, 1 year in China and am a freelance journalist for The Kathmandu Post. So I would by default prefer not to bluff anything in a forum to demean my self-respect and have been holding my stand in this thread as well. Thank you.

Firstly, my post(#9), which you refer to as "demeaning to the very sentiments of [your] Chinese brothers" had nothing to do with your "Chinese brothers". It was a criticism of an authoritarian government and not of the people of China. As a freelance journo, I must say, your ability to peel the onion is, well, lousy.

Secondly, I, personally, do not find your post to be provocative. I find it pretty underwhelming and grossly misinformed. I can accept that from the teenagers and barely out of teens, on this forum, but as a freelance journo, it is even more inexcusable.

Thirdly, aren't you glad that Mr Prachanda, instead of becoming the Mao of Nepal, has chosen to be democratically elected head of state, and in doing so accepted what majority of the world, other than CHINA, practices. May be you should take a leaf out of his notebook.

Fourthly, you would do HUMANITY a great favour if you can worry a little bit about your Tibetan brothers, along with your Indian and Chinese brothers.

[nix]

Originally Posted by desiibond

It's not exaggeration.

My uncle faced the headache of US medical service. he started having breathing problem and when asked at the hospital, he couldn't get appointment for weeks and for immediate appointment they can take it as emergency case but the medical bills will be in excess of 20,000USD. Just for breathing problem. In the end, he took some pills and flew back to India.
After coming back to India,

appoinment : 100 bucks
medicine : 500 bucks.

total 600 bucks for a good treatment.

Now, tell me? which is the safe place to live??

its much easier in the US for those who have insurance. those going from india should get a complete health check up and then go. that is advisable.

look,its not like i hate my country. im grateful to be born here. i was just highlighting the differences b/w india and china and areas where we need to improve. some people take it as a personal insult. i expected to see immature replies to my post, but i will not stoop to such low levels as some other members on this thread. cheapsters.. they dont talk like educated, civilized beings.

[mehra.rakesh]

Well my 2 cents for the thread .

China lacks what India has in abundance Narayan Murthy , Kiran Shaw , Nandan Nilekani, Tata, ............................... & ofcourse Me !!!!!!!!!!

I beleve that this is purely because of the freedom of the mind. You wud say i am nuts to say something like this . But as u speak to the folks in India they dream of having their own company their very own startups be it selling pickles,condoms or services like aviation etc. Its not so in China . The labour's cheaper and Infra is better .
But at what cost ??

When i was in China for a very brief period i read this news article of a man holding his own against the local administration which was acquiring the land for some gentleman's factory . He was branded a heretic, insane & what not by local media . But same news as reported by world media was very different .


Seriously speaking the chinese model resembles what the Japs did way back in the 60's & 70's make shitloads of products and sell them at ridiculously low prices . If they manage to do what those Japs managed read "Quality Control" then they wud be the heroes of 21st century.

India became independent in 1991 a bit too late But there's no denying India the moment of its glory and make no mistake India is growing with the burden of its politicians not because of them .Thnk if just this one factor improved wat cud be DONE .


P.S. :: The new buildings in China look as if they came straight from some scifi movie ,all white (interiors) and crappy urggghhhh . Its an eye sore .

[IronManForever]

@Mehra.rakesh
Yes dude you are right and perhaps you help me highlight my point which is;
No country, I say no country developed in a day, just like one of the members said. No country developed without facing HARD times. China has and is facing that hard time. India and people here (not offensive ) are not willing to pay the price. So, SO.. No one need complain about the country India not being upto the mark, and, AND, It'll stay like this or get even worse until and unless people LEARN to pay the price, whatever it takes; WHATEVER IT TAKES!!! At the risk of sounding cliche; as they say to get something you oughtta give something. Hope I get this thing through you guys.

And @karnivore

Well that was enough for me to pull up some courage to face you guys again.

1.Well; Who do you think is not satisfied with the Chinese Government? The whole billion? No my friend, the majority are living with it and dare I say liking it (though such an assumption is taken from biased sources; or.. well; we deliberately call it biased to prove our point; and as we are outside the system, that kind of error is permissible ).
Very few people dislike the system and the majority have adapted to it. I always agreed and do still agree that human rights situation when compared with global figures, China more or less, has to work upon it.
If you ask me, China has better human rights than any south-east Asian country. As humans we are entitled to a handful of fundamental rights. But isn't getting enough food to eat, getting good and accessible health services; a human right after all. Above all; we are living organisms; and we should get to live. Aren't food, shelter, cloth and health are more basic needs and preliminary rights that we should be guaranteed of? I don't know about you but for me, they are more important than right to speech; or language; or religion. And they are for you all, for everybody; ask yourself. Isnt China better than the majority south-east Asian countries when you include these parameters?

2.I do not understand what is so much grossly and overwhelmingly misinformed about my post. And please lets keep my freelance journo being thing away. Why? Cuz that was just an intro I felt I should gave. And the freelance word itself tells Im not much into it. This hobby of mine has given me nothing more than a few thousand rupees till date. I write more about social violence and criminal psychology than I do about politics. Maybe it's my mistake; I should have said I'm a freelance writer.

3.My dear friend; I felt so happy that I'm having discussion with a tough guy who keeps track of so many things. Now as far as it goes; I am a communist but not exactly a Maoist. And regarding Prachanda accepting to become the Prime Minister via a Democratic method? Man, that was heaven for the Maoist Party. They are in Heaven now, they can have all the crucial ministries for themselves, they are in the executives now, what more can they ask for? The party wanted the earlier government to warrant declaration of Republic, that was done. Everything is going in accordance to what thy wanted; albeit a bit slow because of this democratic processes and formalities. Wonder how communist countries develop infrastructure so quick? Thats innate man.

4.Lets not talk about Tibetans now. Even in India, the volatile north-east has caused many petty problems I believe. I studied about few conflicts at school and the demands for Greater This and Greater that. Meghalaya? Nagaland? Im not much through with that article which I still have but If you ask, I can give you evidence after a bit of searching.


Sorry guys I couldnt stop myself; so many things were being spoken, and I had to say something. I shall take responsibility of each and every word said.