All godmen are fake, says Kerala minister

[praka123]

All godmen are fake, says Kerala minister
17 May 2008, 1208 hrs IST,TIMESOFINDIA.COM

NEW DELHI: Religious figures across Kerala are up in arms against Devasom minister G Sudhakaran, after he pointed a finger at all godmen in state, labelling them as fake, according to a Times Now report. ( Watch )

Days after controversial godman Santosh Madhavan was arrested for molesting a minor and on charges of fraud, Kerala's Devasom minister G Sudkaran lashed out at godmen in a manner that is threatening to escalate into a huge row.

While attending a public function in the state, the outspoken minister labelled all swamis as "frauds".

"We should make these swamis wear clothes. They should start wearing clothes and we should teach them some decency... I am still saying that 90 per cent of them are all thieves and they are all fit to go to jails," he said.

Self-proclaimed spiritual groups in the state are not too pleased with this attack; the Devasom minister's comment they feel, is not only unwarranted but also in poor taste.

"These statements don't need any reply... How can a minister say that 90 per cent of the saints are not wearing their underwear? How did he know that? I shall not reply to those statements. I seriously think that these are immature and childish statements. These are emotive statements that are not factual at all," declared Rahul Easwar spokesperson of the Sabarimala temple's chief priest.

Santosh Madhavan the 'fake godman' stands exposed today. But the controversy and debate over the credibility of godmen and sanyasis continues in 'God's own country', with a section of the people even saying that all godmen should now be brought under some sort of scanner or public scrutiny.

While Sudhakaran's comment has spiritual groups up in arms, their leaders feel that the atheist Communist Government in Kerala is only using the fake godman controversy to undermine the significance of godmen and swamis altogether.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/3048495.cms

Indian 'guru' is held for fraud
By BEGENA P PRADEEP

AN Indian guru who allegedly duped his followers in Bahrain out of almost BD60,000 has been arrested by Interpol. Santosh Madhavan claimed to be a guru with supernatural powers who could see into the future. However, he allegedly pocketed money that he convinced Bahrain residents to hand over to invest in a tourist resort and a charity.


The 35-year-old, who is also known as Swami Amritachaitanya, is said to have visited Bahrain three times since 2003 on visit visas arranged by his followers here.
He is now in police custody in Kerala facing a string of charges including rape, drug
possession and fraud.

Reports from India say detectives raided his 16-suite ashram (divine centre) in Kochi on Sunday after several police complaints against him were lodged. The ashram was used as a guesthouse to accommodate his astrology clients, whom he claims included politicians, film stars, high-profile policemen and businessmen. Police reportedly found pornographic DVDs and magazines, drugs, alcohol and the pelt of an endangered tiger.
He has conducted talks and seminars at various venues in Bahrain and been honoured by Indian associations and leading community members.
"Santosh has come to Bahrain at least three times in the last five years," said one of his victims in Bahrain.
"Each time he was brought by some of his devotees who arranged for a visit visa.
"He held talks and seminars on spirituality at various places here - including Indian clubs and associations.
"He seemed to know how to attract listeners with his words and actions - you cannot be blamed for trusting him.
"He urged people to invest in a hill resort he was building in Kerala.
"He also made us believe that he is also a social worker and is planning to start a charity institution in Kerala. "People were asked to give him an amount that would be invested in the charity project.
"However, the investors were assured to get the money back whenever they asked for it, but without an interest amount.
"He told us that the interest from the invested amount would be used for the underprivileged.
"Many people parted with their money believing that it was for a good cause.
"Some people that I personally know gave BD1,000 while some gave BD5,000 and even up to BD10,000.
"He had thus managed to raise at least BD60,000 from Bahrain residents."
Indian media reported he had been on the run after being accused of fraud by Dubai-based Indian businesswoman Cerafin Edwin.
He allegedly befriended Mrs Edwin and conned her into investing around BD40,000 in a bogus hotel venture in Dubai.
However, as soon as she handed over the money he allegedly fled the city. She was unable to trace him until he resurfaced years later claiming as a guru calling himself Swami Amritachaitanya.


It is understood he was arrested in Kerala on an Interpol "red alert" issued on the advice of Dubai police in 2004. The net began to close in on Mr Madhavan after a magazine article revealed he was wanted by Dubai police on fraud charges.
Mr Madhavan was arrested on Tuesday and has been remanded in custody for five days after a bail application was rejected.


He has denied the allegations and initially said they aimed at tarnishing his reputation.


Questions have now been raised as to how Mr Madhavan managed to build a property empire and socialise with political elite and top policemen while a long-standing Interpol warrant was out for his arrest. The police are also looking into the involvement of Indian Saifudeen Alikanu, aged 47, who served as Mr Madhavan's driver in Dubai. begena@gdn.com.bh


http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...&IssueID=31057

[x3060]

why do peoples go behind these so called gods . . they really need to understand that the so called god is also a "humanbeing " and nothing different . . its sad when such educated peoples fall in to their traps . . there are no human gods . . if there are , then every human is a god too .

[Faun]

why would god want to be famous and earn...lol
dumb people dumb beliefs

And why a devil will scare you?

zap them all

[MetalheadGautham]

god is a product of human weakness - Albert Einstein

[Faun]

planes are a product of human weakness to fly - Unknown

[anish_sha]

Hey guys Today i just spotted this guy's Merc Benz E class car In National Highway NH47 ... Its Number Was KL 3G 3999... see this document below...

http://www.filecrunch.com/fileDownlo...&fileId=148498

the number attracted me coz of the 3G in it....

Its clear tht all his properties are well safe and is guarded by the dirty politicians and the police itself

[praka123]

^hmm....he is the binami for politicians

[x3060]

well its a sure shot of making easy money though . . just say you got enlighted and you are done .

[ajaybc]

Another guy is Himaval Bhadrananda.he too from cochin.Read the following news

Bhadrananda threatens to shoot himself

Staff Reporter
— Photo: Special Arrangement

Himaval Maheshwara Bhadrananda threatening to shoot himself, at the office of the Circle Inspector of Police, in Aluva on Saturday.
KOCHI: Himaval Maheshwara Bhadrananda, who was arrested by the Ernakulam Central Police on Friday and released on bail, threatened to shoot himself at the Aluva Circle Inspector’s office on Saturday morning.

When the police tried to overpower him, the gun went off, injuring Bhadrananda and a reporter of Madhyamam. Bhadrananda had surrendered to the police on Friday after he was charged with barging into a newspaper office in Kochi and threatening its staff for publishing a report against him. He was also charged with using a car fitted with an unauthorised red beacon lamp.

Saturday’s sequence of events began at 7.30 a.m. at his house when he reportedly telephoned a reporter of a television news channel and threatened to kill himself. “He claimed that the media had tarnished his image by publishing adverse reports and comparing him with Santosh Madhavan — a self-styled godman who was arrested earlier this week,” the reporter said. Bhadrananda was also agitated as he had been asked by his landlord to vacate the rented house in Aluva where he was staying with his mother.

The reporter informed the police who arrived at his house and tried to persuade him to hand over the pistol. When he refused, he was taken to the CI office.

Senior officers, including Aluva Dy.SP P.N. Unnirajan, arrived at the spot.

Meanwhile, journalists who had arrived at the police station were enraged that only one reporter was allowed into the office.

As they protested, Bhadrananda advanced towards them and suddenly his pistol went off, firing two shots.

He was first taken to Karothukuzhy Hospital, Aluva, to have an X-ray of his injured hand taken and then shifted to the Aluva Government Hospital. He has been charged with attempt to commit suicide and attempt to murder.

Ernakulam Rural Superintendent of Police M. Padmanabhan said there were six bullets in the Indian-made .32 calibre pistol. The police officer said the pistol went off when the police tried to disarm him.

Source:http://www.hindu.com/2008/05/18/stor...1860050900.htm


Watch the exciting video of this incident at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99dLWVO3xrA

I really found that video funny

All these swamis have gone mad.Two fraud swamis have till now been caught from Kerala itself which claims itself to be the state with the maximum education.I dunno about other states.But I think it shud be worse.

[iMav]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

god is a product of human weakness - Albert Einstein

+9^99999

[dOm1naTOr]

Being a swami is the easiest way to go to cover and still keeping a good image in society. No one will suspect and will get lots of followers. Ministers and big bosses finds such swamis helpful for hiding their illegal stuffs nd cash.

wats with thse swamis???they arent even removing their pistols from pocket while doin yoga....real bad

[praka123]

I have doubt with a lady swamini who runs lot of institutions,medical colleges etc ,rumored that her Engg College in Ettimada in Coimbatore beats students who revolt against strict nature?Swami's are who does the beatings .her swami's(followers) who accompany her on overseas journey is rumoured to be carrying drugs!her medical college is again rumoured for taking body parts(rumor only!)

Her Mutt at south kerala which is near to arabian sea witnessed lone bodies of murdered vasi's of her mutt (I dont post the name fearing many ppl esp south indians may be devotees of herself a clone of dera sacha souda guru )

[Faun]

^^post the name, people should know

they r the devils

[dOm1naTOr]

@praka123
whose is it???
are ui talkin bout her???ohh
holy moly..plz clear my doubts
say the name..plz

[praka123]

^yes,she only u can easily guess google for a author called "Sreeni Pattathanam"
Even syrian catholic charismatic retreat centre like "divine" is already famous for all bad things

for these ppl,religion is a business

[Hrithan2020]

Religion has always been a means to attain power since a long time.
@Praka123,about the beatings where did u get that info.I have some of my friends in another of these colleges( in kollam)(supposing that u meant the lady known as "mother");no such problems.The thing is most of the things u hear are rumours.I am no supporter of any "godman", but what i want to say is that for a really big "godman",they can get enough money amounting to thousands of crores from donation alone.

I have no doubts that some ppl close to her are making lots of money.(with or w/o her knowledge).Another question,lets just suppose that these "godmen" really have some inborn powers which are beyond ordinary ppl (like say,the ability to influence ppl at a subconscious level or whatever).Does that mean that they have every right to claim to be god's messenger and then fool ppl off their money?

It is debatable that every single one of them are fake;some deluded souls may be doing this world a lot of good.

[Faun]

Originally Posted by Hrithan2020

It is debatable that every single one of them are fake;some deluded souls may be doing this world a lot of good.

thats wat people dont understand and go ranting about

[praka123]

@T159: Now you know why I didnt tell the name ?

[Faun]

^^yeah, atleast my family doesn't believe in these guruji and mataji

[dOm1naTOr]

me too dun believe in GODMEn, but some really posses some gifts which are either inborn or attained thru mental training. They might have abilities like strong commanding power, but keeping a good smile and dont even talking a word. It cud be mental power.
Also training on hypnotism, meditation cud build up this mental powers.

and its the nature's rule that mentally weak will go nd obey the mentally powerful one irrespective of their body strength, age, social nd financial background etc. And its the weak one who begins to call the former like GODs or Godmen. And we can't blame the godmen either, coz they might think 'if everybody is ready to call me godman, wth? y shud i deny this offer. Let them call...its me who ll benefit nd i lose nothin'

BTW, we cant change the world nd we dun have to. We just have to make sure we dull fall under such spells. Nobody has right to impose or forse their beliefs on nyone. Let them go their way nd dun bother them.

@ prakash
well, i dun know the level of truth in the statement. But sure knows that many of her institution are real help to the poors and her medical institution is charging people based on their salary, which is really commendable. maybe what u suspect is true but we dun have to care. All we..the common people wants to know is 'what is beneficial to us'. But we dun have to preach or workship nyone. I never gonna workship nyone even if he starts doin GODLY things. One cud attain this with his hardwork or heavy mental training. And by showing off that abilities nd making use of it for money is their greatest weakness.


In ancient India, many saints nd swami's has written many books nd invented many things [like ayurveda] nd they dun even keep their names on their creations.[there are some names but it is put by satisfied people]. They are way greater people that todays swamis' of which most are frauds....

ive xams tomorrow nd feelng linda sleepy. Now i think me too ve to become a swami to make a living if i dun pass the xams

[Faun]

Originally Posted by dOm1naTOr

...they dun even keep their names on their creations....

the selfless ones

[blueshift]

A similar incident of a 'godmen' molesting a minor has happened in Pune few weeks ago.

[..:: Free Radical ::..]

Atheism FTW

[dOm1naTOr]

Originally Posted by T159

the selfless ones

[Faun]

Originally Posted by ..:: Free Radical ::..

Atheism FTW

agnostic ftw

[m-jeri]

@........

holy moly.....hold on to ur knickers....

this swami bhadrandha used to live in a rented house just near me.....@#$@
u see he gt his gun license on april 31...after that he used to shoot the gun day and night too air..practising.....all the residents who lives as nieghbours complained against him to the Residents association so that they can escalate it to police but zilch...nothing happened,,,

[ajaybc]

Originally Posted by praka123

I have doubt with a lady swamini who runs lot of institutions,medical colleges etc ,rumored that her Engg College in Ettimada in Coimbatore beats students who revolt against strict nature?Swami's are who does the beatings .her swami's(followers) who accompany her on overseas journey is rumoured to be carrying drugs!her medical college is again rumoured for taking body parts(rumor only!)

Her Mutt at south kerala which is near to arabian sea witnessed lone bodies of murdered vasi's of her mutt (I dont post the name fearing many ppl esp south indians may be devotees of herself a clone of dera sacha souda guru )

Originally Posted by praka123

^yes,she only u can easily guess google for a author called "Sreeni Pattathanam"
Even syrian catholic charismatic retreat centre like "divine" is already famous for all bad things

for these ppl,religion is a business

I dont believe you.I dont htink she is a godwoman but in my knowledge she has done a lot of good things for the society.She cant be even compared to those two a$$ holes.

[dOm1naTOr]

+1
no human can never be godman nymore....atleast thats wat i believe
but we shud respect those does really commendable and helpful service for society.
maybe she too may be involved in some corruptions, but hey, y shud we bother?
just keep our side clean. Dont go after such glitters.

[NucleusKore]

Originally Posted by ajaybc

I dont believe you.I dont htink she is a godwoman but in my knowledge she has done a lot of good things for the society.She cant be even compared to those two a$$ holes.

Tell me, does it justify to do good with one hand and bad with the other, if it is true that is? Or is doing good and excuse for doing some bad?

[Hrithan2020]

Originally Posted by NucleusKore

Tell me, does it justify to do good with one hand and bad with the other, if it is true that is? Or is doing good and excuse for doing some bad?

So true.