"ASTROLOGY" - A big Bluff Game - Researchers !!

[naveen_reloaded]

I will say this is the first ever considerable victory for all aethiest and to mankind !!!

Without doubt astrology is proved as fake or a game of bluff ... and Existence GOD will also be proved as just not more than illusion soon.... GO SCIENCE !!!!

read more and stop reading all those horoscopes !!!!

Good news for rational, level-headed Virgoans everywhere: just as you might have predicted, scientists have found astrology to be rubbish.

Its central claim - that our human characteristics are moulded by the influence of the Sun, Moon and planets at the time of our birth - appears to have been debunked once and for all and beyond doubt by the most thorough scientific study ever made into it.

For several decades, researchers tracked more than 2,000 people - most of them born within minutes of each other. According to astrology, the subject should have had very similar traits.
Starry eyed: Grant


The babies were originally recruited as part of a medical study begun in London in 1958 into how the circumstances of birth can affect future health. More than 2,000 babies born in early March that year were registered and their development monitored at regular intervals.

Researchers looked at more than 100 different characteristics, including occupation, anxiety levels, marital status, aggressiveness, sociability, IQ levels and ability in art, sport, mathematics and reading - all of which astrologers claim can be gauged from birth charts.

The scientists failed to find any evidence of similarities between the "time twins", however. They reported in the current issue of the Journal of Consciousness Studies: "The test conditions could hardly have been more conducive to success . . . but the results are uniformly negative."

Analysis of the research was carried out by Geoffrey Dean, a scientist and former astrologer based in Perth, Australia, and Ivan Kelly, a psychologist at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada.
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Dr Dean said the results undermined the claims of astrologers, who typically work with birth data far less precise than that used in the study. "They sometimes argue that times of birth just a minute apart can make all the difference by altering what they call the 'house cusps'," he said. "But in their work, they are happy to take whatever time they can get from a client."

The findings caused alarm and anger in astrological circles yesterday. Roy Gillett, the president of the Astrological Association of Great Britain, said the study's findings should be treated "with extreme caution" and accused Dr Dean of seeking to "discredit astrology".

Frank McGillion, a consultant to the Southampton-based Research Group for the Critical Study of Astrology, said of the newly published work: "It is simplistic and highly selective and does not cover all of the research." He added that he would lodge a complaint with the editors of the journal.

Astrologers have for centuries claimed to be able to extract deep insights into the personality and destiny of people using nothing more than the details of the time and place of birth.

Astrology has been growing in popularity. Surveys suggest that a majority of people in Britain believe in it, compared with only 13 per cent 50 years ago. The Association of Professional Astrologers claims that 80 per cent of Britons read star columns, and psychological studies have found that 60 per cent regularly read their horoscopes.

Despite the scepticism of scientists, astrology has grown to be a huge worldwide business, spawning thousands of telephone lines, internet sites and horoscope columns in newspapers and magazines.

It seems that no sector of society is immune to its attraction. A recent survey found that a third of science students subscribed to some aspects of astrology, while some supposedly hard-headed businessmen now support a thriving market in "financial astrology" - paying for predictions of trends such as the rise and fall of the stock market. Astrology supplements have been known to increase newspaper circulation figures and papers are prepared to pay huge sums to the most popular stargazers.

Some of the most popular figures in the field, such as Russell Grant, Mystic Meg and Shelley von Strunckel, can earn £600,000 or more a year.

A single profitable astrology website can be worth as much as £50 million.

When the Daily Mail discovered that its expert on the zodiac, Jonathan Cainer, was about to leave the newspaper in 1999, it reportedly offered him a £1 million salary and a £1 million bonus to stay. He still preferred the offer at the Daily Express: no salary but all the money from his telephone lines.

The time-twins study is only the start of the bad news for astrologers, however. Dr Dean and Prof Kelly also sought to determine whether stargazers could match a birth chart to the personality profile of a person among a random selection.

They reviewed the evidence from more than 40 studies involving over 700 astrologers, but found the results turned out no better than guesswork.

The success rate did not improve even when astrologers were given all the information they asked for and were confident they had made the right choice.

Dr Dean said the consistency of the findings weighed heavily against astrology.

"It has no acceptable mechanism, its principles are invalid and it has failed hundreds of tests," he said. "But no hint of these problems will be found in astrology books which, in effect, are exercises in deception."

Dr Dean is ready for a torrent of criticism. He said: "I'm probably the most hated person in astrology because I'm regarded as a turncoat."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...7/nstars17.xml

[phreak0ut]

I see that this thread will get sidetracked, get personal during discussion, becomes a flame war and ultimately get locked

[nvidia]

^^If that is some kind of astrological prediction then you are wrong! Read the news above..

[kumarmohit]

No, he based that on observation and analysis!

[fun2sh]

there is no need of any scientific
study. its already a fake
thing.but yeah it wil come handy
to shut the big fat lying mouth
of stupid astrologers

[naveen_reloaded]

rightly said fun2sh !!!

To all astrologers: dont fool others for your own benefit( money)
This goes also for all those saints and babaji`s !!!!

You dont have nothing.... but full of fake words and lies...

[karnivore]

^^ Thanks for the article. But rest assured, no matter how much evidence you give to the believers, they will always find a reason to believe.

[praka123]

confront with a good astrologer to have your ideas changed

[Indranil92001]

I am really Lough Out Loud on this topic.
A noob who dont learn Astrology and dont have knowledge about it then say anything about it. I am some time really wonder how a person say anything on it who dont learn about it. Before proof anything to wrong not only the Astrology in other subject too you have to learn on those subject, otherwise you dont have any rights to say anything on it. And this is my Astrological Prediction of those noob humanbeing.

[praka123]

well,Europeans are those who "found" and "patented" turmeric while it is used widely for thousands of years in India! the same way ,they proved Astrology is fake!BS!
I think,it is difficult to argue with these kids who are yet to know there are supernatural forces and a creator.In ur lifetime,hopefully you'll get to know that

[Faun]

lol..i hate science and orthodox beliefs + superstitions

But I never denied the happening of unknown

What has science given us ? We were much better when we lived for 3 times meal and enjoyed the aura of pure nature.
But no, science had to come in and ruin things with experitments ,experiments that never ever really provided +ve effects without any -ve ones, nuclear weaponf, bio weapons, freakin cruelty on other life form for the betterment of human (or is it so ?), artificial methods and unnatural ways.

So all those who preach science go and dig ur grave over the world surrounded by the ashes of nulear war and infections born as a side effect of making a cure for another infections.

The best things in life are without any price.

[Indranil92001]

Originally Posted by praka123

well,Europeans are those who "found" and "patented" turmeric while it is used widely for thousands of years in India! the same way ,they proved Astrology is fake!BS!

So you are depand on Europeans, What they are saying and what they are doing. Now I am LOUGH OUT LOUD seriously

[praka123]

^I think you are confusing! ,what I want to say was as @OP claims,anything those so called scientists(from west) proved are truth I thought we all know about the controversy over turmeric and baasmati rice patented by US monopolists

Similarly,those who have experienced Astrology's that "unknown" ability to predict things(not 100% again!) almost correctly which are going to happen in future?
we dont want someone's proving something known to unknown!
Atheism sucks!similarly hardcore religious fanatism too sucks(Islamists!)

[Pathik]

Agnostic(ism) rocks though !

[x3060]

i still wonder why would we want to know about our future . . lets say i know how my tomorrow or one year from now on is . . then i can simply change it and future will go wrong. someone says i wont get a job for a year , ask my friend or so get a job future is wrong . . . its a waist of time and silly excuse. . i am not against astro thing but very much against when people go blindly towards it. its simply a waist of time...

[naveen_reloaded]

Originally Posted by Indranil92001

I am really Lough Out Loud on this topic.
A noob who dont learn Astrology and dont have knowledge about it then say anything about it. I am some time really wonder how a person say anything on it who dont learn about it. Before proof anything to wrong not only the Astrology in other subject too you have to learn on those subject, otherwise you dont have any rights to say anything on it. And this is my Astrological Prediction of those noob humanbeing.

ohhh i never knew astrology is some course to be studied... dude first try to understand the topic or the news i have posted.... it clearly says that YOUR SO CALLED astrologers cant predict a future given all the information they needed.... still u support them... how pathetic !!!!!

Originally Posted by praka123

well,Europeans are those who "found" and "patented" turmeric while it is used widely for thousands of years in India! the same way ,they proved Astrology is fake!BS!
I think,it is difficult to argue with these kids who are yet to know there are supernatural forces and a creator.In ur lifetime,hopefully you'll get to know that

ya dont worry we will prove that your supernatural stuff no more than some illusion or fake world to rely or blame on when nothing helps you out !!!

Originally Posted by praka123

^I think you are confusing! ,what I want to say was as @OP claims,anything those so called scientists(from west) proved are truth I thought we all know about the controversy over turmeric and baasmati rice patented by US monopolists

Similarly,those who have experienced Astrology's that "unknown" ability to predict things(not 100% again!) almost correctly which are going to happen in future?
we dont want someone's proving something known to unknown!
Atheism sucks!similarly hardcore religious fanatism too sucks(Islamists!)

wait astrology is not a machine or a design to tell you the future... now the astrologers.. even i can predict your future... try me....!!!!

think rational...

as said in the research .. astrology doesnt have any working mechanism( may not be the right word) .... and it differs vastly from one astologer to another...

take for example our daily predictions in newspaper... dont u feel that all those predictions given for alll the stars somehow can be experienced by another person...???

a days life is full of happiness, sadness, fight,debate, etc.... so pick anyone and tell them you will feell this thing today is a job which can be done by anyone....

[karnivore]

Originally Posted by Indranil92001

A noob who dont learn Astrology and dont have knowledge about it then say anything about it.

The experiment was based on, to say it roughly, statistical sampling procedure. Simply recording the required info and letting the astrologers to make predictions on that basis and then comparing the results. Tell me what knowledge of astrology is needed for sampling. If you argued on the impurities that remain in a sample size, it would have made some valid points.

Originally Posted by Indranil92001

Before proof anything to wrong not only the Astrology in other subject too you have to learn on those subject, otherwise you dont have any rights to say anything on it

I agree with you completely. But do you see the irony. Astrologers, who know jack about science, continue to claim that science can't prove astrology. In spite of statistical evidence against their profession, they continue to stake their claim.

Originally Posted by praka123

...there are supernatural forces and a creator

And your evidence/ arguments are......

Originally Posted by T159

What has science given us ? We were much better...

Whether we were better or not is a subjective observation. Perhaps, when we wore lion cloths, fcuked our own sisters, clobbered each other to death for woman and meat, soaked in shower, roasted in sun, ate half roasted animals and "enjoyed the aura of pure nature", was a better time for you. But frankly i like the world that we live in today. Thank you very much.

And really what has science given us, besides, electric bulbs, motor vehicles, refrigerators, microwaves, computers, modern medicine, communication satellites ? NOTHING.

And so what if science has given us the knowledge, and we have mindlessly twisted it to satisfy our own perversion, WHY DID SCIENCE GIVE US THE KNOWLEDGE IN THE FIRST PLACE ? Nothing like the doom of nuclear and biological warfare or side effects of modern medicine would have loomed over our head, if only that bloody science could keep its slutty mouth shut.

DAMN SCIENCE, HAIL OBSCURANTISM.

Originally Posted by praka123

...hardcore religious fanatism too sucks(Islamists!)

Strange, hindu fundamentalism or christian fundamentalism seems to be missing from your list.

[naveen_reloaded]

karnivore ... ur post are just awesome.... cant agree more .....simply superb..

+10

[darklord]

I am no expert on this topic and yes i don think rationally but there are many instances where Science has been clueless to answer the happening of a certain phenomenon.
Terming Astrology a hoax would be too harsh in my opinion.It was developed over the ages by humans in an attempt to find out things by a simple trial and error method i suppose.This lead to certain conventions to be laid down.Which were followed by later generations.
If someone really tries to look into what astrology actually does and the methodology, idea behind it and so on, its not like its just pure guesswork.
Just because some greedy people to try to earn a quick buck by using astrology,that i think would be unfair.In this case the self proclaimed Astrologers are at fault,not astrology in itself.

I have known someone, who has been 'TRAINED' from childhood regarding astrology and believe me or not, he thinks its a curse that he has that he has the capability to get an idea about people's future (Which includes unfortunate events).
And yes, there is proof of his predictions coming true.He doesnt charge a single penny, nor does he advertise,people come to him after hearing from someone who had visited him.
I have argued with him for a long time over some weaknesses of astrology and here is what he had to say,
'Astrological predictions should be used as guidelines,a hint so that one is alert if some unfortunate thing is about to happen.Using these predictions as base and assuming that a particular event is definitely going to happen is stupidity.
A sane person should rely on his knowledge,logic and SCIENCE for say like 80% and only 20% on astrology when a time comes to make some crucial decisions or so,for which people head to astrology, in pursuit to know the future and make a decision accordingly.
My logic complels me to believe in this approach,why ? because there is a logical reasoning to it.Atleast it doesnt keep any doubts in my head.

This is just my opinion,so dont flame me.If you disagree with me, say so in a modest way.

Cheers !

[naveen_reloaded]

Originally Posted by darklord

I am no expert on this topic and yes i don think rationally but there are many instances where Science has been clueless to answer the happening of a certain phenomenon.
Terming Astrology a hoax would be too harsh in my opinion.It was developed over the ages by humans in an attempt to find out things by a simple trial and error method i suppose.This lead to certain conventions to be laid down.Which were followed by later generations.

the simplest fact was.. yes i agree they were finding many things regarding ASTRONOMY.... which very much differs from ASTROLOGY ! and they tried to integrate both of them to make ASTROLOGY a legit stuff...

If someone really tries to look into what astrology actually does and the methodology, idea behind it and so on, its not like its just pure guesswork.

then wht it is ????

Just because some greedy people to try to earn a quick buck by using astrology,that i think would be unfair.In this case the self proclaimed Astrologers are at fault,not astrology in itself.

astrology gave way to pure billion dollar bussiness.... !!!

I have known someone, who has been 'TRAINED' from childhood regarding astrology and believe me or not, he thinks its a curse that he has that he has the capability to get an idea about people's future (Which includes unfortunate events).
And yes, there is proof of his predictions coming true.He doesnt charge a single penny, nor does he advertise,people come to him after hearing from someone who had visited him

.

who trained ?? and wht did they train ??? coincidence dude... !!!he doesnt charge a penny ??? nice way , to geta escape route.. coz he cant be charged for anydamage his prediction could result in !!!!

I have argued with him for a long time over some weaknesses of astrology and here is what he had to say,
'Astrological predictions should be used as guidelines,a hint so that one is alert if some unfortunate thing is about to happen.Using these predictions as base and assuming that a particular event is definitely going to happen is stupidity.
A sane person should rely on his knowledge,logic and SCIENCE for say like 80% and only 20% on astrology when a time comes to make some crucial decisions or so,for which people head to astrology, in pursuit to know the future and make a decision accordingly.

I dont get you ... if a bad thing is going to be prevented by his prediction doesnt it mean that the future of the client( the one who seeks advice from these astrologers) is good ????
if its true then ?? are astologers near to god ( i dont believe in god either) who can change future of a person ???
if so why could astrologers prevented so many deaths in tsunami which hit few yeas back in southindia??? were they selffish ?? or simply is that they cant predict such large diasters ??? or sadist ??? like letthose poor souls die./..!!!!

My logic complels me to believe in this approach,why ? because there is a logical reasoning to it.Atleast it doesnt keep any doubts in my head.

think again dude.... you just want a answer to carry on your life... just a answer and you didnt care to loook into the content of it.... think AGAIN !!!

This is just my opinion,so dont flame me.If you disagree with me, say so in a modest way.

Cheers !

oooppps ...sorry i dint see this .... sorry anyway if i had hurted you in neway..

just want to clear things out...

double cheers

[ico]

Well, I don't believe in Astrology but I believe in one thing though:

"Just take care of the present, the future will itself become brighter".......

So, I don't find any reason of believing in Astrology....

[naveen_reloaded]

well said gagandeep !!!!! true...

instead wastingtime with a astrologer do these..

1.) grow trees
2.)water them if u have any
3.)help thepoor
4.)donate the money you are going to spend to some orghanage

[Faun]

Originally Posted by naveen_reloaded

who trained ?? and wht did they train ??? coincidence dude... !!!he doesnt charge a penny ??? nice way , to geta escape route.. coz he cant be charged for anydamage his prediction could result in !!!!

Not everyone lives for money here, few people do believe in idea of free. If it weren't for these people, our world could have been mechanized very soon and tormented by the stupidest steps taken by mankind.

When u r attached with possessions, it divulge out the greed and then the intent to murder.

Your idea is like you can charge a software company for any damage done to your data ? Lol...even paid one doesn't guarantee the perfect operation.

Originally Posted by naveen_reloaded

I dont get you ... if a bad thing is going to be prevented by his prediction doesnt it mean that the future of the client( the one who seeks advice from these astrologers) is good ????
if its true then ?? are astologers near to god ( i dont believe in god either) who can change future of a person ???
if so why could astrologers prevented so many deaths in tsunami which hit few yeas back in southindia??? were they selffish ?? or simply is that they cant predict such large diasters ??? or sadist ??? like letthose poor souls die./..!!!!

Its not like they hav the complete picture with digital footage of whats going to happen to you in near future. But a vague indication of something significant but not exactly what. Its upto you to sense the way u r heading and the consequences will be borne by you, u can change ur destiny if u r smart enuf or else u will be dumbfounded by that significant event to happen.

Why would anyone try to break the laws of nature, the way things are going. They could have foretold the Tsunami, but not exactly. They didnt cuz what we sow shall we reap. In the end what goes around comes around right in our face. We hav dome much damage to the nature.

Originally Posted by naveen_reloaded

well said gagandeep !!!!! true...

instead wastingtime with a astrologer do these..

1.) grow trees
2.)water them if u have any
3.)help thepoor
4.)donate the money you are going to spend to some orghanage

lol man u were abt to do charity.

Btw you met with the wrong guys who make it as a profession, and all those crap in newspaper. Do you believe in something that is for commercial gain, wtf...all business shows that they are competing than other. Its just the shallow presentation, nothing else.

[darklord]

Originally Posted by naveen_reloaded

the simplest fact was.. yes i agree they were finding many things regarding ASTRONOMY.... which very much differs from ASTROLOGY ! and they tried to integrate both of them to make ASTROLOGY a legit stuff...

then wht it is ????



astrology gave way to pure billion dollar bussiness.... !!!

.

who trained ?? and wht did they train ??? coincidence dude... !!!he doesnt charge a penny ??? nice way , to geta escape route.. coz he cant be charged for anydamage his prediction could result in !!!!



I dont get you ... if a bad thing is going to be prevented by his prediction doesnt it mean that the future of the client( the one who seeks advice from these astrologers) is good ????
if its true then ?? are astologers near to god ( i dont believe in god either) who can change future of a person ???
if so why could astrologers prevented so many deaths in tsunami which hit few yeas back in southindia??? were they selffish ?? or simply is that they cant predict such large diasters ??? or sadist ??? like letthose poor souls die./..!!!!




think again dude.... you just want a answer to carry on your life... just a answer and you didnt care to loook into the content of it.... think AGAIN !!!




oooppps ...sorry i dint see this .... sorry anyway if i had hurted you in neway..

just want to clear things out...

double cheers

Well the person in question is a relative of mine and as far as i know, i know him much more than you do.SO before making some rash comments about someone you DONT know,think twice.I respect your thinking and ideology but that doesnt give you the right to assume things and bash up someone, be careful what you say about someone.
Prediction does not mean solution dear.
I forgot to mention, he himself said, even if something is predicted, you cannot stop it but atleast you can try to minimise the damage.

As for his 'TRAINING', it was imparted to him by his father who was a well respected Doctor ( Vaid in ancient times) who also had knowledge of astrology (The traditional indian method)
Mind you, he was NOT an astrologer but a Vaid by profession.He knew Rigveda by heart.I dont know many who are capable of that,for me he was special if he could remember a complete set of Veda amongst the 4 Vedas.
I dont think people get trained from childhood to con people in the future.

As for the relative i am refering to, he was a govt. employee by profession and is retired and leading a simple life.(Read: middle class, live off the pension of his and wifes)He has no child for whom he needs to build a fortune and hence started this to mint money. His idea is to help people with whatever knowledge he has,plain and simple.You might not believe but there are people in this world for whom, money is not everything.
SO before making judgements about someone think twice, as you may be insulting someone unknowingly.

Cheers !

[praka123]

well,many people study astrology although they are well paid by other jobs ,I know,many such people who are s/w Engineers by profession,but due to ancestoral knowledge of Ayurveda and Sarpa Pooja(nairs of kerala) which somehow got connection with these sciences too(Astrology etc).

I am amazed by the ability of these people how they knows everything.
there is another thing called "Para Hrudaya Gnanam" meaning , knowing your thinking!thats amazing!

No,we are not going back to olden days.but Astrology is something which you have to Agree!there isnt proof for everything!Humans are limited;

Atheists,whoever I asked,just became impatient when I asked them,IF you are a non-believer of the creator,then pls explain,how this world is made?how?it ends in a random inifinte loop of thoughts?then your ideology sucks(atheism)

[karnivore]

@darklord

With all humility and respect for your relative, can you ask him, on my behalf, to establish a "cause" and "effect", between the planetary position and a random future event.

Let me give u a hint and establish a "cause" and "effect", between a planetary position and a present event. When moon comes close to earth (cause) we have tides (effect), because of gravitational pulls (reason).

Originally Posted by praka123

IF you are a non-believer of the creator,then pls explain,how this world is made?how?it ends in a random inifinte loop of thoughts?then your ideology sucks(atheism)

Before i reply to that bear a small rant of mine. I believe that all questions, can be classified into 4 groups:

#1. Questions that science has ANSWERED (i.e Applied science, e.g. Sun is the centre of the solar system and all planets go around it)

#2. Questions that science is YET to answer (i.e. Theoretical science, e.g. Big Bang, Dark Matter etc./ Speculative science, e.g. SuperString Theory, Black Hole etc.)

#3. Questions that are plain WRONG. (i.e. Prejudice, e.g. "What is the purpose of life ?" - This question is prejudiced by the assumption, that THERE IS PURPOSE of life, waiting to be uncovered.)

#4. Questions that science DOES NOT YET KNOW, exist. (i.e. The Unknown/ Unobserved events - this is somewhat a redundant category.)

The question, "how the world is made" falls within the category #2, assuming that you are really asking how this universe was made. If you are literally asking how this world was made, then it is category #1 question and is not at all a mystery. Turning the pages of some astronomy or better still, astrophysics will tell you how (i.e. if you really want to know).

Your second question belongs to category #3. You have to first establish, that this universe actually ends, then establish that it ends, like you say it ends.

Now, let me rephrase your questions, just a little bit.

IF you are a believer of creator, then please prove there is indeed a creator. If you can't, then your ideology sucks (theism)

[Faun]

Originally Posted by karnivore

#1. Questions that science has ANSWERED (i.e Applied science, e.g. Sun is the centre of the solar system and all planets go around it)

i doubt the first question itself

[naveen_reloaded]

Originally Posted by T159

Not everyone lives for money here, few people do believe in idea of free. If it weren't for these people, our world could have been mechanized very soon and tormented by the stupidest steps taken by mankind.

wait .. even popularity for some people is equivalent to money.. leave it ...
wht do u mean by these people.. please dont say6 that it denotes astrologersss... they are making others stupids... and thats more harmful if u take my word...

When u r attached with possessions, it divulge out the greed and then the intent to murder.

Your idea is like you can charge a software company for any damage done to your data ? Lol...even paid one doesn't guarantee the perfect operation.

LOL !!!!

Its not like they hav the complete picture with digital footage of whats going to happen to you in near future. But a vague indication of something significant but not exactly what. Its upto you to sense the way u r heading and the consequences will be borne by you, u can change ur destiny if u r smart enuf or else u will be dumbfounded by that significant event to happen.

Why would anyone try to break the laws of nature, the way things are going. They could have foretold the Tsunami, but not exactly. They didnt cuz what we sow shall we reap. In the end what goes around comes around right in our face. We hav dome much damage to the nature.

Dude please dont try to support a worhtless idea with more worthless visions !!!
wait if they that VAGUE idea of something is gona happen.... wait how many times did we hear from great astrologers and people like them predicting our worlds doom on particular year or a day... if u rememeber ... they told world is going to end by 2000 .... please dont give more stupid supporting ideas... for a $$ illusionistic bussiness $$$

lol man u were abt to do charity.

Atleast i am not supporting some dumb ideas... LOL!!!

Btw you met with the wrong guys who make it as a profession, and all those crap in newspaper. Do you believe in something that is for commercial gain, wtf...all business shows that they are competing than other. Its just the shallow presentation, nothing else.

sorry if sooo then hope your real astrologers are not in mars ????

Originally Posted by darklord

Well the person in question is a relative of mine and as far as i know, i know him much more than you do.SO before making some rash comments about someone you DONT know,think twice.I respect your thinking and ideology but that doesnt give you the right to assume things and bash up someone, be careful what you say about someone.
Prediction does not mean solution dear.
I forgot to mention, he himself said, even if something is predicted, you cannot stop it but atleast you can try to minimise the damage.

sorry for harsh words ... i take back .. but my basic point stands stillssss

As for his 'TRAINING', it was imparted to him by his father who was a well respected Doctor ( Vaid in ancient times) who also had knowledge of astrology (The traditional indian method)
Mind you, he was NOT an astrologer but a Vaid by profession.He knew Rigveda by heart.I dont know many who are capable of that,for me he was special if he could remember a complete set of Veda amongst the 4 Vedas.
I dont think people get trained from childhood to con people in the future.

ya dont worry thats how everthing gets to next generation !!!

A wiki quote for your vaid

The Vaids regard themselves to be the descendants of Dronacharya, the Generalissimo of the Kauravas in the Kurukshetra war of the Mahabharata. Drona was born a brahmin, son of Bharadwaja, in modern day Dehradoon (a modification of dehra-dron, a clay pot), which implies that he was not gestated in a womb, but outside the human body in a Droon (vessel). Vaid also means doctor in Hindi.

when i find the true meaning for vaid itself is very contradictory , i cant accept or any rational thinker cant acceptthe astrologer part of vaid or anyother who have astrological power... these are all the urban legends just like astrology !! and religion stuff and eventually GOD !!!

As for the relative i am refering to, he was a govt. employee by profession and is retired and leading a simple life.(Read: middle class, live off the pension of his and wifes)He has no child for whom he needs to build a fortune and hence started this to mint money. His idea is to help people with whatever knowledge he has,plain and simple.You might not believe but there are people in this world for whom, money is not everything.
SO before making judgements about someone think twice, as you may be insulting someone unknowingly.

sorry but doesnt still validate the proof of power of astrology .....

again i respect your relative as a person.. and i didnt mean any hasrh word or offence,... i said all these to prove that astrology part...
if anytthing i said hurted you , its not intentional...

Originally Posted by praka123

well,many people study astrology although they are well paid by other jobs ,I know,many such people who are s/w Engineers by profession,but due to ancestoral knowledge of Ayurveda and Sarpa Pooja(nairs of kerala) which somehow got connection with these sciences too(Astrology etc).

I am amazed by the ability of these people how they knows everything.
there is another thing called "Para Hrudaya Gnanam" meaning , knowing your thinking!thats amazing!

another one who cant think rational...

No,we are not going back to olden days.but Astrology is something which you have to Agree!there isnt proof for everything!Humans are limited;

ya... everytime someone says things like this .. some scientist proves something !!!!!!

Atheists,whoever I asked,just became impatient when I asked them,IF you are a non-believer of the creator,then pls explain,how this world is made?how?it ends in a random inifinte loop of thoughts?then your ideology sucks(atheism)

and please explain me who made your god , coz neither he cant be made out of thin air and make this fasinating universe !!! ???

Originally Posted by karnivore

@darklord

With all humility and respect for your relative, can you ask him, on my behalf, to establish a "cause" and "effect", between the planetary position and a random future event.

Let me give u a hint and establish a "cause" and "effect", between a planetary position and a present event. When moon comes close to earth (cause) we have tides (effect), because of gravitational pulls (reason).



Before i reply to that bear a small rant of mine. I believe that all questions, can be classified into 4 groups:

#1. Questions that science has ANSWERED (i.e Applied science, e.g. Sun is the centre of the solar system and all planets go around it)

#2. Questions that science is YET to answer (i.e. Theoretical science, e.g. Big Bang, Dark Matter etc./ Speculative science, e.g. SuperString Theory, Black Hole etc.)

#3. Questions that are plain WRONG. (i.e. Prejudice, e.g. "What is the purpose of life ?" - This question is prejudiced by the assumption, that THERE IS PURPOSE of life, waiting to be uncovered.)

#4. Questions that science DOES NOT YET KNOW, exist. (i.e. The Unknown/ Unobserved events - this is somewhat a redundant category.)

The question, "how the world is made" falls within the category #2, assuming that you are really asking how this universe was made. If you are literally asking how this world was made, then it is category #1 question and is not at all a mystery. Turning the pages of some astronomy or better still, astrophysics will tell you how (i.e. if you really want to know).

Your second question belongs to category #3. You have to first establish, that this universe actually ends, then establish that it ends, like you say it ends.

Now, let me rephrase your questions, just a little bit.

IF you are a believer of creator, then please prove there is indeed a creator. If you can't, then your ideology sucks (theism)

Excellent again karnivore... becoming a fan of yours !!!

[ico]

We should have belief in God but not in that Astrology BULL$HIT.....

It is only us, who can write our own destiny not those planetary positions.

We can't clear IIT-JEE without studying, can we?? Or should I say, we can clear JEE if we appear for at when time is fruitful for us. Then we can clear JEE without studying......

Even GOD says to write our destiny by ourselves not by having faith in those damn Astrologists........

Astrology is all BULL$HIT.......But I believe in God.

[darklord]

@ Naveen, i respect that you felt that assumed judgement was a bad idea.You have different opinion which is perfectly alright.I am not at all saying you should believe in astrology,nor was i saying you should do that.I was uneasy with your comments about my relative,which you clarified.
I appreciate that.
All good here

Coming back to the topic, basically when people tend to lose hope with continued bad patches in life and it is human nature to hang on to some hope so that their problems could end.I guess some turn to god, some rely on their capability, some turn to astrology, some seek peace with philosphers and so called Gurus. Thats about it i feel.
I myself believe in god, i am not a big fan of idol worship but when in need, when i pray to god to help me, it gives me strength and peace,not that my prayers actually do anything at all but atleast i feel better.Hope you guys get what i am trying to say.
My ideology of God is simple, there is some abstract power that governs everything and is more powerful than us and thats about it.

I have also seen people who are obsessed with astrology and idol worship,which is completely wrong.There is no substitute to hard work,if someone is trying to find an easy way out through astrology/worship etc. to avoid hard work, then they are sadly mistaken.