Why Linus Isn't "Competing"

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by praka123

offtopic:@ecko:u mean to launch a GUI app a file manager(Konqueror) from Konsole(the terminal).this is because Konsole does not allow exporting users X credentials,hence u cant launch.press alt+f2 to get a run dialog inside type xterm or gnome-terminal and use them to launch ur gui app from terminal.if u want konsole to launch gui apps,u need to install a xwrapper called "sux".then as root u can open File Manager or whatever app it is.

No, he meant this : Why Linux always use command console

[ax3]

linux is the best OS ........ i just love it @ my place ..... & hate windows @ my office, just keeps on hanging & crashing when its needed the most .........

[Jayanth.M.P]

The fundamental problem with linux guys are that they want to be different.... Linux can also easily adopt the methods of windows...

Please dont give me that "YOU are used to that" crap.... we are used to do a lot of stuff in some or other way, its the irresponsibility of the developer to follow what people are most used to. Its just like electronics. ..... current flows from -ve to positive but even then we make it as +ve to -ve bcoz of convention. Lets take the most basic of examples .... Language... Do you think there is no other language in the world that is better in terms of features and sophistication other than English.....well there are plenty....then why are we making English the International language ?

Its not about whats right and whats wrong, both linux and Windows are equally good. Its about building on whats more popular already. This will help operating systems improve faster, they should do this instead of trying to build a whole new standard.

Why cant major linux distributions be made simple or "conventional" to use. As of today Windows is much easier to use and troubleshoot. I agree that this is more because of the popularity but again..... why does something become popular... my reason bcoz it good.

Guys i am not anti linux or anything..... but i dont like it when people say linux is better than windows and its safer or things like that. Open Source is more of a communist idea.....its been known that excellence is achieved faster when there is competition...... thats why we follow capitalist economy right ? This dosnt mean that Microsoft should be allowed to dominate......just that competition should exist. When we dont ask for things which are physically quantifiable for free then why keep that notion for intellectual matter.

I have seen a lot of this argument.....my conclusion. As of today windows is better bcoz of its simplicity (widely used). You want to make linux better stop trying to make it different and start trying to make it better.

@infra: seeing the popularity of Windows and Linux, if you calcuate a proabablity of "being used to" factor, which will be more Linux or Windows ? so is it wrong for someone to be used to Windows ?

@praka123 : How many of you guys who like Linux here are "non tech" people ? I can count such people on my fingers. If you work on something for a long time you will definitely start liking it. For this Stockholm syndrome is a very good example. When you buy something or use something its more often that "you liked it" or "its easy" rather that "its better than that". Ferrari Vs McLaren is your example there.

The problem with us tech guys is that we never see it in the simple form a common man can see.

[MetalheadGautham]

^^you are more ignorant than I thought.

there is no such thing as "Conventional". infact, the Linux interface is much older. and mature.

I can use the OS and troubleshoot problems much more easily in linux than in windows.

don't talk about things you don't understand.

Just because you find windows easier, it does not mean everyone does.

Things don't always become popular due to being better. In windows' case, its due to aggressive marketing and lying to the public.

And I know there is competition. But Linux is a way of life, not just an OS.

OSS is NOT communism. Its more like community resources. You give back to the community something in return for what it did to you. Its more like nationalism.

Personal experiences are not absolute truth for everyone in the world. I hate attacking newbies, but unthought and rash posts like yours provoke me.

[Jayanth.M.P]

^^

I dont believe that you are attacking or flaming...... truth emerges only when there is an argument. We are arguing and nothing more....... threads like this help us understand things better.

Please see the meaning of convention in dictionary before you talk about old and new.Old dosnt mean mature in every case. I gave you examples there to make you understand what i want to convey.

You can dosnt mean everybody can.......lets take a poll there if you want. Anybody will agree that its easy to find solutions to problems of Windows because of its popularity. Troubleshoot is not finding a solution to a new problem.....its find solution to problem you encountered now..

Please show me how OSS is not like communism....... Please explain to me the OSS way of life. Its more alike than otherwise.

Things i mentioned are about user interface of linux. I dont understand the core things of linux very well so please tell me about it.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by Jayanth.M.P

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I dont believe that you are attacking or flaming...... truth emerges only when there is an argument. We are arguing and nothing more....... threads like this help us understand things better.

Please see the meaning of convention in dictionary before you talk about old and new.Old dosnt mean mature in every case. I gave you examples there to make you understand what i want to convey.

You can dosnt mean everybody can.......lets take a poll there if you want. Anybody will agree that its easy to find solutions to problems of Windows because of its popularity. Troubleshoot is not finding a solution to a new problem.....its find solution to problem you encountered now..

Please show me how OSS is not like communism....... Please explain to me the OSS way of life. Its more alike than otherwise.

Things i mentioned are about user interface of linux. I dont understand the core things of linux very well so please tell me about it.

There is no such thing as "user interface of linux". Linux is just a hyper effitient kernel. The OSes built around it are the ones which use GUI. And all need not follow the same look and ape windows. Ever heard of Apple Mac?

And yes, for Linux n00bs like you we do have OSes that look and feel like windows XP. Just ask in the OSS section if you know what I mean. Linux MiNT, Linux XP, OpenSuSE, Mandriva One, Xandros, etc suit you I suppose.

who said linux is not popular? I find lots of excellent resources for troubleshooting linux, to an extent not even found in windows, all due to effitient doccumentation and error reporting. Linux is more popular than you think, though its still mainly a Power User oriented platform. Wait till morning to see the replies you get to get an idea of linux's popularity.

Linux gives you total control of your system and maximum security, a thing Micro$oft can only dream of. Administrating it is damn easy for any guy with decent brains. With stuff like Bash Shell Scripting, Apt, etc managing linux is very easy. GUI tools exist for anything you want, as an added bonus.

Linux is definitely more mature and better. Yes, both mature AND better than windows. The only reason windows became popular is because during the days UNIX was popular(it stil is), it was costly. So ppl used M$-DO$, purchased by Bill Gates from a small company for 50,000$. Linux was not popular due to UNIX's cost, that's all. People found a "Cheaper" alternative in DOS but did not look further to see a free alternative.

The OSS way of life is not like communism, because in the later, you are forced to give away all the land, resources, etc you own to the govt. But in OSS, you work for humanity as a whole, at your own choice. You decide to help others because you have a spirit of openness in you. Ask Richard Stallman... See some of his explanations of the OSS life, then you will know what it REALLY is.

Linux is also a DIY item. Its for enthusiasts, who like to be given the bare minimum and the tools to make it maximum, and make it as per their choice. Distros for n00bs still exist, like MiNT.

And yes, convention is still not applicable here. Its something that has been continued to be followed since something existed, or its a rule just ment for regularisation. Windows has a convention to use control pannel, right side down launch menu etc. KDE has convention to use right side down or up launch menu. Gnome has a convention to use dual gnome bars. These are conventions.

Remember:

LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS

Linux is not for fools, its for smart people wanting a smart OS.

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by Jayanth.M.P

but i dont like it when people say linux is better than windows and its safer or things like that. Open Source is more of a communist idea.....

lol.. The most ignorant guy that I have ever seen.. this is not a personal attack but what you said is the most bizzare thing anyone would say!.. I though @iMeov was the most ignorant person around here.. but seems like there are other people..

Dude.. just because you don't like to hear that Linux is more secure doesn't make windows more secure than Linux. You seriously need to go back to school and open your book and learn what a kernel is and what makes Linux more secure.. stop making these kind of useless comments..

And just because you're used to something doesn't mean everyone is used to it and just because your brain is not compatible with change and need for adoption doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else's ... Be happy with what Windows offers you coz you'll never change even if windows changes.

[MetalheadGautham]

@cyrus: that guy is hopeless, but curious. Might as well knock some sence into him. Do you think this qualifies for n00b of the week?

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

@cyrus: that guy is hopeless, but curious. Might as well knock some sence into him. Do you think this qualifies for n00b of the week?

certainly do.. when do i vote?

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by Cyrus_the_virus

certainly do.. when do i vote?

after getting him registered and after shantanu restarts polling.

[vish786]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

let me make this reason clear why linux is good:

AT&T made C ---1
AT&T made UNIX ---2
AT&T wrote UNIX in C ---3
The same team worked for both ---4

1+2+3+4 => C was made for designing UNIX --- 5

6. UNIX was made at a time when competition and marketing were ZERO. their customers were bespectacled scientists, who only cared about functionality and security.

5+6 => UNIX was destined to be perfect --- 7

Linux was made as a free OS which can complement UNIX. It hence has several standard unix commands working for it. It also borrowed nearly every initial idea from unix. ---8

Linus and other early developers(of vertion 3 onwards) also added some functions they wanted from UNIX which were non existant in UNIX to Linux. ---9


7+8+9 => Linux is as good as it can get. Solaris, MAC OS, BSD also in same catogary ---10

MAC OS and Solaris were initially(mac still is) closed source, so not much developement. ---11

11 => BSD and Linux are the only canditates left for a good OS.

BSD was controvorcial due to its apparenly "Satanic icon" and due to freeBSD's old logo. It also lacked eye-candy, drivers, etc by default
. So it sadly is not popular enough despite having several good features. ---12

11+12 =>Linux is the best OS, due to popularity and functionality.

Closing thoughts: If we use some more of BSD code in linux, it can still be made better. there are some small bits in BSD which make better in certain feilds.

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no offense meant but please please.... Dont make ur own 3 ball theories... leads to wrong info 2 others.

"Little knowledge is worse than no Knowledge "

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by vish786

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no offense meant but please please.... Dont make ur own 3 ball theories... leads to wrong info 2 others.

"Little knowledge is worse than no Knowledge "

thats an old post dude... my views keep maturing

[x3060]

hey , he just joined right now . . . why slaughter him . . . . yes , he is ignorant , stubborn , arrogent , ms fan boy . . but that does not mean that we should just kill him . . man , the last thing we want is another imav . . oh, i was not harsh , was i ?:-l. .

offtopic . . . but no body beats asassin in NOTW :-P