Gujarat riots a genocide; Modi sanctioned it: Tehelka

[gaurav_indian]

Gujarat riots a genocide; Modi sanctioned it: Tehelka

Investigative weekly Tehelka on Thursday claimed to have unravelled the truth behind the 2002 Gujarat riots.

Tehelka claimed it had 'irrefutable' evidence that the killings of Muslims post-Godhra train carnage in Gujarat was 'not a spontaneous swell of anger but a genocide' planned and executed by top functionaries of the Sangh Parivar and state authorities 'with the sanction' of Chief Minister Narendra Modi.

Addressing a press conference in New Delhi, Tehelka Editor-in-Chief Tarun Tejpal claimed that the magazine had carried out a sting operation over the last six months by talking to a number of Sangh Parivar leaders, including Godhra BJP MLA Haresh Bhatt, Shiv Sena leader Babu Bajrangi, who was earlier in the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, and VHP leaders Anil Patel and Dhawal Jayanti Patel, to bring out the truth.

"We have evidence that bombs were being made in the VHP office premises," Harinder Baweja, Editor (Investigations), told rediff.com.

"In Tehelka's ground breaking investigations, for the first time, hear the truth of the genocidal killings from the men who actually did it. In shocking disclosures, Chief Minister Narendra Modi came and patted the back of criminals, and told them that they had done a good job," Baweja said.

The Bharatiya Janata Party has reacted sharply to the magazine's report stating that Tehelka was acting as CIA (Congress Investigating Agency) and it was a collusive sting, which could hardly be called investigative journalism.

Party spokesman Prakash Javedekar said the 'dirty tricks department' of the Congress was at work again in view of the assembly elections in Gujarat.

None of the leaders caught on camera in the expose was available for comments, except Gujarat VHP leader Dhawal Jayanti Patel who said Bajrangi had not talked to him during the riots and that he had not seen the sting operation.

Bhatt was purportedly caught on tape saying he was present in a meeting in which Modi allegedly gave him three days time 'to do whatever they wanted.'

"After three days, he (Modi) asked to stop and everything came to a halt," Bhatt said, adding that the chief minister thanked them after the Naroda Patiya masssacre.

The magazine claimed that Dhawal Jayanti Patel told its undercover reporter that the VHP activists made lots of bombs in a factory owned by him. A BJP MLA was shown as saying they even made rocket launchers, which were used in the pogrom.

It also claimed that it has exposed 'a trail of lies and coercions' that establishes the fire in coach S-6 of the Sabarmati Express in Godhra on February 27, 2002 was a case of spontaneous mob fury and not a pre-meditated conspiracy as stated by the Gujarat government.

Additional Reportage: PTI

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/oct/25godhra.htm


And its on Aaj Tak right now.This is really unbelievable.

[The_Devil_Himself]

yay I saw that on news in the morning.Lets see what happens.

[faraaz]

Hmm...I dunno what to say...strangely, this doesn't surprise me, even if its true or false...

[moshel]

good thing that no debate is going on over here on this issue...lets keep it this way.....

and frankly guys, im frm ahmedabad and even here no one is talking abt it..... ppl just feel that its no use talking abt it or doing something abt it now..

[MetalheadGautham]

politicians give a bad name to India. While we in digit forums get along with people of all backgrounds, and some(like me) are even atheist, politicians like modi make Indians look like a bunch of blood-thirsty mongrels

[nix]

the media makes the whole thing seem so one sided. muslims are projected as victims and hindu's as the wrong doers...thats not true...both hindu's and muslims were killed...and nobody talks about the ppl killed in godhra, but the best bakery case has been made front page news...everybody has forgotten about the kar sevaks...

[MetalheadGautham]

^^but we are talking about the political system here. Ordinary muslims and Ordinary hindus get along very well. When I used to stay in Ahmedabad, I had a christian and a muslim as best friends(I used to be a hindu)



the media is troublesome due to its nature: they follow the three S's :

Spam
Sensationalise
Sell

[gaurav_indian]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

^^but we are talking about the political system here. Ordinary muslims and Ordinary hindus get along very well. When I used to stay in Ahmedabad, I had a christian and a muslim as best friends(I used to be a hindu)



the media is troublesome due to its nature: they follow the three S's :

Spam
Sensationalise
Sell

Yes you are right.Its about politics and who was the mastermind behind this riot.Both hindus and muslims got killed.And these bajrang dals,vhp guys are no less than terrorists.

[qadirahmed]

Originally Posted by nix

the media makes the whole thing seem so one sided. muslims are projected as victims and hindu's as the wrong doers...thats not true...both hindu's and muslims were killed...and nobody talks about the ppl killed in godhra, but the best bakery case has been made front page news...everybody has forgotten about the kar sevaks...

kar sevaks...... was also did my modi.... its all ready cleared in news papers so ppls need not to talk about the cleared things.......

Modi must hang to death.... it would be a lesson for other politicians....

[kumarmohit]

Originally Posted by qadirahmed

kar sevaks...... was also did my modi.... its all ready cleared in news papers so ppls need not to talk about the cleared things.......

What when where,

Any sources, references, proofs?

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Originally Posted by gaurav_indian

Yes you are right.Its about politics and who was the mastermind behind this riot.Both hindus and muslims got killed.And these bajrang dals,vhp guys are no less than terrorists.

Yup . It's not whether Hindus or Muslims were killed .

The bigger issue is that People , Indian Citizens were killed just on a mere whim of Modi !

[Tech_Wiz]

Do not use words like HIndus or Muslims were killed.. Fact remains that dirty politicians irrespective of what party they belong are known to use / create such issues for there own good [To achieve "Satta"] and care zero for life of innocent civilians.

[kumarmohit]

^^Totally agree

[qadirahmed]

@ Tech_wiz

yes Dude i agree with u....... but that party belongs to the Hindu's and make issues about Hindusium.....

for example if any Jehadi party did any bomb blast or any thing else... whole media blames to all world muslims not only to that particular party....

Note: Dont be misunderstand me...

You said to achive Satta..... so if they do riots then ppls may vote them Because they killed Innocent muslims.....?

[praka123]

How can Modi still be CM of Gujarat?I know that his ways are liked by many because of the violence done by the other religion.still modi does what nobody can imagine.killing people on basis of religion.but if as a Hindu,he shud have got a lil more tolerance.we are Hindustani's whatever the word means and we(majority) are not learned and brought up like the way they make terrorists in pakistan,kashmir or Al-qaeda.
but,again the provocation non-muslims faces are...
see the below video for the tolerance of Christians or say Europe and USA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBXHtQDxOo
^^^
YOU MUST SEE!

[Tech_Wiz]

Originally Posted by qadirahmed

@ Tech_wiz

yes Dude i agree with u....... but that party belongs to the Hindu's and make issues about Hindusium.....

for example if any Jehadi party did any bomb blast or any thing else... whole media blames to all world muslims not only to that particular party....

Note: Dont be misunderstand me...

You said to achive Satta..... so if they do riots then ppls may vote them Because they killed Innocent muslims.....?

1. BJP used the ram mandir issue to achieve a vote bank of higher cast / Hindus to achieve there own goals in politics.

2. Congress & Samajwadi Paryt are known to practically butt kiss Muslims to get the Share of the Vote bank which they know is against BJP.

3. Already some states have alloted resrved seats to Muslims. Still I dont understand on what basis as Muslims comprise of almost 15 -20% of India and cant be considered has Minority to be honest. Only reason that makes sense is that to get their Vote Bank.

This is perticulary evident in states where BJP is getting stronger.

So morale of story is Political Parties will and are jumping where there is a ooputunity ti achieve a vote bank in their bags. They really dont care for anything else than that. Its the truth.

Also Plz dont called Terrorist outfits as "Jehadis"

That term derserve more value, respect and meaning than what it is currently being assumed.

Fact is that Countries where terrorism is getting nourished are mainly Muslim dominated states. eg Pakistan, Afganishtan etc.

As long as they were doing terrorism in India the term of "Muslim Terrorism" was not there imho. Indian Goverment nor media at that Time mentioned anything abt Islam. But when terrorists targeted US & ally states the Bad words abt Islam were highlighted and spread by their media. And the term "islamic terrorism" was born. Even though there are also terrorist groups active in Ireland and other parts of the world which are mainly Chritians. But they never get highlighted.

and as media guys are also working for Money now a days they will just post anything crap that will give TRP.

Terrorist have attacked Mandirs, Darga and Mosques the same way. They are stateless religionless brainwashed jerks. They dont belong or deserve to be called as Humans.

I have friends in all religions also in Pakistan. All religions ask for peace and justice but unfortunately some evil minded people use the Religion to influence young people and use it to brain wash them to achieve their own goals than doing anything good to the religion. [i.e. So called Jehadis & some Bajrang Dal / VHP Memebrs alike.]

ps: Just to again clarify myself. I dont belong or support any political party as such. I got friends in all religions and respect their values because all of them mean to achieve the same thing. I am just totally against anything that is using religion to defy the basic values of humanity..

[faraaz]

^ +1...great post!! totally agree!!

[azzu]

this thread is Becoming moore and moore religious
dont take world's like Hindhu's or muslim's guy's plzz (rather use other one)
its makin inscure feeeling

[MetalheadGautham]

^^this thread is not getting religious! ppl are just saying that somebody else is

our former generations have all been raised based on the following ideals:

1. elder's voice is law
2. people of other castes and religions are not to be mingled with
3. arranged marriage is the best
4. science is nonsence
5. convert the world to your religion
6. my religion is good and the rest are bad
7. what you think is service to god is service to humanity

...And that's why we lag behind. It is already a task to learn the reality, and to convince our families is a bigger one. The digit forums reflects the views of the newer India. we don't find orthodox prople here, so there is no use discussing this topic here.

wo log sudherange nahi. bas aradhana karo ki we jaldi mar jaye aur humko mukth kare

[Tech_Wiz]

^^ Mentioning those words is fine as long as you dont disrespct or flame them in the post.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by Tech_Wiz

^^ Mentioning those words is fine as long as you dont disrespct or flame them in the post.

sorry, no flame intended. the post only reflects my personal views...

anyway, how is it flaming?

[Tech_Wiz]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

^^this thread is not getting religious! ppl are just saying that somebody else is

our former generations have all been raised based on the following ideals:

1. elder's voice is law
2. people of other castes and religions are not to be mingled with
3. arranged marriage is the best
4. science is nonsence
5. convert the world to your religion
6. my religion is good and the rest are bad
7. what you think is service to god is service to humanity

...And that's why we lag behind. It is already a task to learn the reality, and to convince our families is a bigger one. The digit forums reflects the views of the newer India. we don't find orthodox prople here, so there is no use discussing this topic here.

wo log sudherange nahi. bas aradhana karo ki we jaldi mar jaye aur humko mukth kare

I am not totally agreeing with your post mate. I will post my views in detail on this when I finish the office work ^^

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

sorry, no flame intended. the post only reflects my personal views...

anyway, how is it flaming?

Taht post was intended for the Post above you

[qadirahmed]

Originally Posted by praka123

How can Modi still be CM of Gujarat?I know that his ways are liked by many because of the violence done by the other religion.still modi does what nobody can imagine.killing people on basis of religion.but if as a Hindu,he shud have got a lil more tolerance.we are Hindustani's whatever the word means and we(majority) are not learned and brought up like the way they make terrorists in pakistan,kashmir or Al-qaeda.
but,again the provocation non-muslims faces are...
see the below video for the tolerance of Christians or say Europe and USA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBXHtQDxOo
^^^
YOU MUST SEE!

first about the video........ I agree that all are true..... and she cleared the things very well and i need not to repeat it again....

How can modi still be cm......? who know while the person who can change even the judges of courts...... he may do fake votes too....

India k ander kuch bhi ho sakta hai tum kuch bhi baich sakte ho aur kuch bhi khareed sakte ho.... is desh ka kuch bhi nahi hoga..

if a thief caught in case of robbery instead of cut his hands they Prison him with other thieves to get learn more…. This is called india


your talking about majority.......? better u say majority of foolssssss who does not believe in truth.........

@ praka

see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHSHGrs7si4

when ur going to make it like this one..........?

see how coward the english ppls are just like u....

hahahah

[praka123]

dude!dont get frustrated!i said nothing against human beings.the videos that are showing reality.
we,other religion ppl or atheists are getting our peace lost because of what is shown in the video.we dont want terrorism.and the main source of terrorism after narzis are coming from ....u know what those who follows the BOOK exactly and interpret(well it is directly said to cut) it to Kill non-muslims.
My que is:arent we human beings?cant these people have no other work than getting America doomed and make the whole world imposed by a 7th century bloody culture?I know,I know what it will be like-maulavi's banning TVs(happened in my place) ,dogs and threatening shop owners to close shops on fridays.posting hoardings and papers on towns to say "insha-allah Kasmir will be liberated from India" etc.
I said-First be an Indian rather than eating what all are pressed into the brain by the community.
unlike Islamists,other religion except few protestant christian groups in ireland we are not against any religion,infact America vs Arab world is featured by the imaginative hardcore ustads and maulvis as Christianity vs Islam wth?wtf?infact EU and americas are full of atheists!
who cares?I dont ever seen a christian terrorist.Islamists foul cry for Muslims been victimized I think you know what it will be for a non-muslim to be in gulf esp saudi-arabia and even turkey,Indonesia etc.saud wahabbis are the main source of terrorism been spreaded to Islam.christians,jews are dhimmis.hindus are not at all tolerated-they are acc. to book...i dont want to say what it describes about idolters.
Not all muslims follow word by word of BOOK.Tfhat make them human beings.the education can make a big change.although what @kafeel mohd done in England is rather unexpected.Now the religion is not of peace,but of FUD(fear,uncertainity and doubt)

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

even nazis were better than islamic terrorists atleast what they did in openly and their work was not on basis of religion .....

Ever heard hitler saying we are killing jews in name of christ.. Hitler was an Agnostic

[desai_amogh]

hey guys where can i find the video which shows Modi promoting the Riots ...
i searched lots of forums .. no website lists tht video ... tehelka has blocked it ..

[karnivore]

America vs Arab world is featured by the imaginative hardcore ustads and maulvis as Christianity vs Islam

That is a real good point. If one cares to dig deep, most of these so called "jihads", almost always stems from economical and political crisis. But, it is always given a religious spin.

dont ever seen a christian terrorist

I guess Klu-Klux-Klan would fit the bill just fine.

[azzu]

my Request Lock the thread
guy's this thread is taking wrong turn's

[faraaz]

Klu Klux Klan wasn't a Christian outfit...just racist...

[karnivore]

True........in its core, it "is" a racist outfit, white v/s black, and political as well.

But am yet to hear of a muslim or a jew, or a sikh, or a hindu, or a whatever, Klan member.

We are discussing "terrorism" and that too co-ordinated ones. By that measure, the Klan does fall into the category of terrorism. The same way as RSS does.

BTW, why is it that whenever a debate goes into some sort of controversial topic, kids start asking for locking it up. I understand, mature debate can look intimidating for some. But come on. Give adults a break.