Ballmer admits Vista not selling as expected

[runeet]

hope Microsoft get screwed good for pricng the windows so high, they should regret this high pricing for the rest of their little life-span.

[aryayush]

"little life-span"? LITTLE LIFE-SPAN!!! :shocked:

Are you sure you are talking about Microsoft? The Microsoft Corporation!?

They've been in the business for more than twenty years and are still going strong.

[Ankur Gupta]

Originally Posted by aryayush

"little life-span"? LITTLE LIFE-SPAN!!! :shocked:

Are you sure you are talking about Microsoft? The Microsoft Corporation!?

They've been in the business for more than twenty years and are still going strong.

Nice to hear that from you

[hailgautam]

Originally Posted by aryayush

"little life-span"? LITTLE LIFE-SPAN!!! :shocked:

Are you sure you are talking about Microsoft? The Microsoft Corporation!?

They've been in the business for more than twenty years and are still going strong.

True - they are bigboys - Vista is nothing but a small hiccup - which they will manage in the long run. They have diverse interests in various software and some little know projects which earns good money. How many of you know that they have a Accenture or Bearning Ponit type of Consultancy Business going on which is larger than many many companies. Large portion of Indian Software Co like TCS and smaller Company's projects are outsourced via MS.

[runeet]

Originally Posted by hailgautam

True - they are bigboys - Vista is nothing but a small hiccup - which they will manage in the long run. They have diverse interests in various software and some little know projects which earns good money. How many of you know that they have a Accenture or Bearning Ponit type of Consultancy Business going on which is larger than many many companies. Large portion of Indian Software Co like TCS and smaller Company's projects are outsourced via MS.

Its not just a hiccup but a major cough, thats why they are marketing it so heavily. Did u watch that program that they entirely sponsored for marketing vista in India. Man its a joke such atrociously priced products gonna sell in India.
Even the big companies wont buy it not bcoz of the price but bcoz its a resource hog. Above it all its not even that secure.

[NIGHTMARE]

1. Microsoft force you to buy Vista.
2. Sony force you to buy blu-ray.
3. Its all about money.

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by NIGHTMARE

1. Microsoft force you to buy Vista.
2. Sony force you to buy blu-ray.
3. Its all about money.

Plz come out of such misconception. Microsoft doesn't forces anyone to buy Vista. What, did they came to your home & told you to buy Vista Ultimate on Gun point.

If you are happy with Linux\Windows XP\MacOS then stick to it. Since you are happy it means you have ironed out all the problems with those OS, so whats the point of switching.

Again, Sony is not forcing anyone to buy Blu-ray disks, if u don't like it don't but it. Simple as that.

[NIGHTMARE]

Microsoft dont force Vista on anyone, since it's being utilized by the games (DX10)

[gxsaurav]

Yes, DirectX 10 & Vista are made for each other. The new Device driver model cannot be ported to XP without serious chage in the kernal which is not an option. DirectX 10 needs this new WDDM to work so again it cannot be ported to Windows XP.

However, here is the thing. DirectX 10 games are not out there right now. Also no game manufacture will make a game without a DirectX 9c path atleast for the next 2 years, which is quite a long time. There are thousands of DX9 cards out there in the market & homes, you think the the game publishers will leave this market at once.

If your main purpose is to play games in Vista in DX 10, you need a DX 10 graphics card & even Windows Vista Home Basic will do & it comes cheap also. Like I said, you need to come out of misconception & be aware that the expensive Vista Ultimate is not the necessity for everything. MS has given you many choices to chose from.

[NIGHTMARE]

Thats what i was saying..nothing new, everything is forced, beacouse rich peoples wants more $$$, forced..

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by NIGHTMARE

Thats what i was saying..nothing new, everything is forced, beacouse rich peoples wants more $$$, forced..

What forced? Not everyone is a gamer, not every one playes DX 10 games or requires a GPU based User Interface. I have said it many time, still saying again & again & again, if you are having no problems with XP SP2 then stick to it. No need to upgrade. Nothing is forced on you...

[aryayush]

Can you upgrade to Vista directly from Windows 98 using the upgrade version? No!

So, it most likely won't be possible to upgrade from XP directly to Vienna. Am I right? (But I guess the upgrade cost of Vista combined with the upgrade cost of Vienna would amount to the cost of the full fledged version of Vienna anyway.)

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by aryayush

Can you upgrade to Vista directly from Windows 98 using the upgrade version? No!

So, it most likely won't be possible to upgrade from XP directly to Vienna. Am I right? (But I guess the upgrade cost of Vista combined with the upgrade cost of Vienna would amount to the cost of the full fledged version of Vienna anyway.)

When was Windows 98 released? 1998, when is Vista released 2007. Also can u run Vista on a Pentium 2 (Windows 98 era hardware), well....this is not a valid justification of wrong upgradation

[NIGHTMARE]

Lets get back on topic, which is Vista

In business terms MS screwed up because if they actually did some thorough market research they would have seen that everyone is pretty much content with XP at the moment. They also would have learned that less than 50% of the market is STILL computer illiterate. Sure a lot of people know how to use windows but I doubt that all those people also know how to install a new OS or know which parts to upgrade in order to run VISTA smoothly.

Its this lack of research is why MS is messing up. someone or some group from MS are going to lose their jobs for this and rightfully so. MS is going to lose money for a little while and worse, they are going to have to reduce the prices of VISTA in order to convince the people to make the purchase. Good for us, but it hurts MS' profit margins.MS wont be making this mistake again...

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by NIGHTMARE

Lets get back on topic, which is Vista

In business terms MS screwed up because if they actually did some thorough market research they would have seen that everyone is pretty much content with XP at the moment. They also would have learned that less than 50% of the market is STILL computer illiterate. Sure a lot of people know how to use windows but I doubt that all those people also know how to install a new OS or know which parts to upgrade in order to run VISTA smoothly.

Its this lack of research is why MS is messing up. someone or some group from MS are going to lose their jobs for this and rightfully so. MS is going to lose money for a little while and worse, they are going to have to reduce the prices of VISTA in order to convince the people to make the purchase. Good for us, but it hurts MS' profit margins.MS wont be making this mistake again...

Bussiness do not upgrade unless they find a compelling reason. Convergys is still runing Windows 2000 in there training campus in Convergys Gurgaon.

Even my dad's office is runing Windows XP & will run for many years to come....MS isn't screwed. Bussiness paid for XP & they will get support for it.

[kirangp]

Originally Posted by NIGHTMARE

Lets get back on topic, which is Vista

In business terms MS screwed up because if they actually did some thorough market research they would have seen that everyone is pretty much content with XP at the moment. They also would have learned that less than 50% of the market is STILL computer illiterate. Sure a lot of people know how to use windows but I doubt that all those people also know how to install a new OS or know which parts to upgrade in order to run VISTA smoothly.

Its this lack of research is why MS is messing up. someone or some group from MS are going to lose their jobs for this and rightfully so. MS is going to lose money for a little while and worse, they are going to have to reduce the prices of VISTA in order to convince the people to make the purchase. Good for us, but it hurts MS' profit margins.MS wont be making this mistake again...

MS hasnt made any mistake...It has taken them 6 long years to get Vista out,so it is justifiable about the prices according to them.MS is a company & its bosses want the company to be the richest all the time.There are many features as told by gx_saurav which are worth dying for.Many are hesitant because they are accustomed with XP...Same was the scenario when XP was released & nobody wanted to upgrade & after 2 years nobody even looked at 2000 or ME & it will happen again.Patience is the key & MS has done a good job by releasing 5-6 versions of Vista so users have the flexibility of installing whichever version they like unlike XP & according to me they have learnt a lot from Xp's mistakes.It was the first OS to be criticized heavily in all departments especially security.
And about the price obviously MS will have to reduce the price to attract a certain segment of people(like me..hehe) but that wont be in the near future.It will take around 2 yrs for prices to fall not before that I guess but they should see that they dont release Vienna very early otherwise it will hit their profits

[gxsaurav]

Like I said before, Business does not need to upgrade if they don't find the reason. I don't find any problem due to this for MS. It is the decision of business.

From my own point of view business usually run two or 3 application simultaneously anyway. They don't need anything beyond Vista Home basic (retail). Although they will go with Vista business edition which is purchased in bulks, which means lower total cost of purchase.

[rajasekharan]

well, i am not moving to it until everything is smooth .., an sp1 should do the trick...till then its xp for me....

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by rajasekharan

well, i am not moving to it until everything is smooth .., an sp1 should do the trick...till then its xp for me....

Stick to what u got, by that time there will be stable drivers for hardware too

P.S. - did u made that bot of your avtar

[kirangp]

Hey fellows...a dealer in SP road,Bangalore told me that Vista prices are dropping by April 15th by atleast 3K..can anyone confirm??

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by kirangp

Hey fellows...a dealer in SP road,Bangalore told me that Vista prices are dropping by April 15th by atleast 3K..can anyone confirm??

I don't think so.

[rajasekharan]

@gx_saurav....i got some collection of small "avatars"...u need any?????
__________
well, oops....i cant send you any ...am on my sweet GPRS, waiting for the reliance connection , which will happen on 27th or 28th..., if u want some , u know where to look at ..."projectw"....thats were i got this from....look under the wallpaper, scripts section....


by the way...my next one will be made by me "exclusive"....

[gxsaurav]

^^^^ cool, make one yourself. i made this one myself too, some 4 years back

[rajasekharan]

^^^yours looks simple and nice.... , i love simple things.

[NIGHTMARE]

Windows Vista... Pah, what a joke.

Yet another poorly designed, unfinished, and bug-ridden piece of M$ rubbish. I'll stick to Ubuntu and XP for now, thanks!

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by NIGHTMARE

Windows Vista... Pah, what a joke.

Yet another poorly designed, unfinished, and bug-ridden piece of M$ rubbish. I'll stick to Ubuntu and XP for now, thanks!

I guess you don't have anything proper to say thats why bumping this thread like this.