Bin Laden Died of Typhoid!

[freshseasons]

Theres the news in Leading French News Paper and all across news that Bin laden is Dead due to Typhoid.Oficially its not out but this time it seems the news is Correct!!!

[Third Eye]

Maybe this news is fake.

[rakeshishere]

Good if he is dead and bad if he is alive

[jack// ani]

sure its a baloney.....

[blueshift]

Uncle Sam agents must be watching this forum.

[Third Eye]

Originally Posted by rakeshishere

Good if he is dead and bad if he is alive

Yeah !

[rakeshishere]

Actually the news is false/fake..He died of AIDS

[praka123]

1 more:he is/was a hero for many in the WORLD.a good man who want to conquer the world with sword as many ppl wants.a good man who wants the war between religions and west. may his ghost(if he be dead) rest in Hell

[QwertyManiac]

I am a news agency, I report he's in good condition. I earn 100$
You're another news agency, you report he's dead. You earn 1000$

lol.

[king007]

Originally Posted by prakash kerala

1 more:he is/was a hero for many in the WORLD.a good man who want to conquer the world with sword as many ppl wants.a good man who wants the war between religions and west. may his ghost(if he be dead) rest in Hell

I in no way support the Terrorist acts which Laden did, It does not make me a difference whether he is dead or alive but when stupid and uneducated people like u blame the Muslims for wrong doings and evil acts of individuals then its hurting.

FACTS AND ONLY FACTS


The massacre beyond comparison happened and still happening in Chechnya and the innocent people including women and children are brutally killed and
raped every day.

The innocent people including women and children brutally killed everyday
in Palestine. The Israel, for half a century destroying the Palestinian
people and their houses with the help of arms and financial and moral
support provided by the USA.

The people including women and children in Iraq killed during the war and
12 years long sanctions. 500,000 children under age 5 would have alive
today if sanctions did not exist. This hijacking and hostage taking of Iraq
did by the so called civilized people.

The innocent boys and girls killed in Afghanistan during Russian and
American invasion.

The massacre beyond comparison happened in Bosnia and Kosovo and the
innocent people including women and children are brutally killed and raped.

Anybody can forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Who did this, Muslims or
Christians?

Who used weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in the history of mankind,
Muslims or Christians?

Anybody can forget Hitler? He was a Roman Catholic.

Anybody can forget Vietnam War and the chemical weapons used to kill poor
Vietnamese? Who did this, Muslims or Christians?

Anybody can forget Stalin who killed millions of people in Russia? He was a
Christian.

Any civilized man can forget AbuGharaib prison torture in Iraq?

Anybody can forget Oklahoma bombing? Who did this? Timothy McVeigh was a homegrown product.

Anybody can forget 2 World Wars? How many people died in these wars? Who
fought these wars?

Any human being can justify the killing and destruction of one country,
Afghanistan, by America in order to capture one man, Osama Bin Laden? Bush
is a terrorist or humanist? What is the meaning of terrorism?

Any human being can justify the killing and destruction of one country, Iraq, by America in the name of WMD and which was proved later as
a big lie? Bush is a Born-Again Christian. Bush is a terrorist or humanist?

Anybody can forget the Crusades against Muslims in the 10th century? Who
did this, Muslims or Christians?

The French killed about a million Muslims in Algeria because they wanted
independence. Who did this, Muslims or Christians?

The USA and Britain killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Who did this,
Muslims or Christians?

Serbs have killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims and raped thousands of
women in Bosnia and Kosovo.

The massacre of Sabra and Shatila in Beirut was not done by Muslims, but by
Christians of Lebanon, protected and supported by the Israelis.

The genocide of Bosnian Muslims is committed by the Serbs (Greek Orthodox),
and the Croats (Catholics). The Bosnian Muslims were denied the means to
defend thousands, while non-Muslims were given arms to kill Muslims.

The fight between the Catholics and Protestants of Northern Ireland is not
the work of Muslims.

The Ku Klux Klan is a white militant Christian fundamentalist group. They
still exist in the USA, and are not banned. They are not accused as white
militant Christian fundamentalists.

The invasion of Panama by the US Government and putting President Noriega
in jail is not considered state terrorism or a state of fundamentalism. It
was considered liberation of that country and offering the people the so
called “American democracy”. The ordinary, innocent citizens of this
country were slaughtered, imprisoned and tortured.

In Chile, US brought down the democratically elected government of
Salvadore Allende and installed the right-wing military dictator General
Augusto Pinochet. The ordinary, innocent citizens of this country were
slaughtered, imprisoned and tortured.

The invasion of a tiny island Grenada by the U.S. Government and the
shackling of its president as a slave are considered a liberation movement,
but not a state of terrorism. The ordinary, innocent citizens of this
country were slaughtered, imprisoned and tortured.

The attack of Libya by American weapons during the Reagan administration
was not considered terrorism or fundamentalism, but part of the New World
Order scheme.

The attack on the nuclear reactor in Baghdad by Israelis was considered a
heroic achievement of the government of Israel, but not terrorism and
fundamentalism.

Fundamentalism as explained by Webster Dictionary has nothing to do with
Islam or Muslims. It has to do with Christianity.

I can list down in “tons” the atrocities committed by Western “Civilized
people” to the humanity. The media mostly associate terrorism with the Muslims but it is the Christians and Jews that hold the record when it comes to the number of children and other innocent people killed.

Sorry for being harsh but I am a Proud Indian and a Peace Loving Muslim and I dont need to prove it to u....

[Vyasram]

Originally Posted by QwertyManiac

I am a news agency, I report he's in good condition. I earn 100$
You're another news agency, you report he's dead. You earn 1000$

lol.

absolutely. rakhi reports he died of aids and gets $10000

[blueshift]

Originally Posted by imranais

I in no way support the Terrorist acts which Laden did, It does not make me a difference whether he is dead or alive but when stupid and uneducated people like u blame the Muslims for wrong doings and evil acts of individuals then its hurting.
....
Sorry for being harsh but I am a Proud Indian and a Peace Loving Muslim and I dont need to prove it to u....

didn't read your entire post..but i don't think he is blaming anyone. you are getting the things wrong...and Believe me i am hurt too when some illiterates blames the entire religion!

[satyamy]

Originally Posted by blueshift

didn't read your entire post..but i don't think he is blaming anyone. you are getting the things wrong...and Believe me i am hurt too when some illiterates blames the entire religion!

yes

u can't blame christians or muslims directly, it's the nation who does this. America, France, Italy, Germany, they are responsible for what happened in the past, but not chirstanity, actully....they don't even care, it's just bussiness, War means money growing market
__________
oh, & he can't die, the bush administration will have nothing to say in the defence of their illegally created administration...if osama is dead, so we will hear for the next few years, Osama is alive till there are new elections in USA, & even that doesn't matter.

The oil companies of Bush have now complete control over the oil of iraq, so even if he goes out of WHite house, he is still the riches man alive, & he got control over the goverment of Iraq & Afgan

[Stick]

Originally Posted by freshseasons

Theres the news in Leading French News Paper and all across news that Bin laden is Dead due to Typhoid.Oficially its not out but this time it seems the news is Correct!!!

Dear this all DRAMA is stage just becuse, US president Bush threat Pakistan Presidnet Musharraf to Catch Laden or US push Pakistan to stoneage by it Bombing.

Now of laden is no more Pak. thought US will not Bombing. But US will not satisfy till Pak give them SOLID proof that Laden is no More.

[pra_2006]

hey gusy i dont think he is dead, it may be pakistanis who r just saying it becauz US is deciding to go to pakistan to kill him

[mediator]

@Imranais.....nah he (@prakash) didnt meant that!
Neways wars and terrorism are 2 different things. U shud distinguish between them. Civilians are killed in both on both sides. Ur post contained wars in the same meaning as terrorism. 2 brothers fighting for a piece of cake is different from a brother slapping younger brother continously for cake!

Originally Posted by Imranais

The media mostly associate terrorism with the
Muslims but it is the Christians and Jews that hold the record when it
comes to the number of children and other innocent people killed.

I dont support pointing fingers on any specific religion. But then u are doing the same pointing finger on Jews and christian! And ever wondered why Media associates terrorism with Muslims? Think hard....and u'll find that the whole Muslim community is getting defamed because of Pakistan and terrorists like Osama and most pakistanis support the deeds of their government!

Yes and I agree Bush is the terrorist number one! but then targetting Christians and jews like u said is not sane. Do u know more than half of America and almost the whole of Britain protested when both America and Britian sent troops to Iraq?? Will u still criticise the major religion of their country?

Try to meditate on my points. No one is after any religion! I know its the fault of media too which says Muslims as terrorists! It only angers the Indian Muslims.

But I guess thats what they (Pakistanis) want and create communal tensions in India. And please dont ever think Pakistanis care for Indian Muslims! I can recite various of examples. Let me just give u the latest one. I'm sure u must have read about Malegaon incident. Who was the culprit? A Let commander!!!

See nobody here said that Mulsims are terrorists! U only misunderstood and I know why! There are ignorant elements who dont know the real issue and then keep doing what Pakistanis really want => communal tensions! Please forgive them. U dont have to be like them. If u retaliate them it will only make matters worse! In most threads here u'll find many rowdy/ignorant elemts quoting "Muslims as terrorists". But then u'll also find greater number of people scolding them and telling them thats wrong!

So by saying & replying like "Christians and Jews are real terrorists" will only make matters worse! Try to make ur own identity. Foreigners abroad can identify u by ur nature whether u are an Indian or Non-Indian! And do u know many restaurants in places like Thailand,Malaysia,Singapore etc etc have Pakistani,Bangladeshi owned restaurants running under the INDIAN tag??

When u ask them why they do so....the only answer u'll hear is "People dont come here when we say that we are Pakistanis!" My simple point is Pakistan is a ruined state and ruins everything associated with it...be its people or its major religion i.e Muslim!

[Apollo]

Good...

I hope he will now enjoy having sex with 72 virgins in jannat and satiate his libido. And leave all of us on this planet with a little bit of extra peace and breathing space!

Rock on, (Dust)bin Laden!

[reddick]

No matter if he's dead or alive...He has such brave soldiers in his organisation that 'Al-Qaeda' will remain alive after his death Al-Qaeda will remain good pain for america year after years if he dies 2day also

[Apollo]

Indeed.

Al-Qaeda is not just a terrorist organisation any more; it's a movement in the Islamic world threatening to take over the world. Osama has played his role... doesn't matter if he dies now. The damage is long done.

[ssdivisiongermany1933]

Bin laden was only guy who was cheking American Fascism , his death will lead to the growth of evil American Fascism , which took innocent lives all over the world .

May bin laden have heaven if died but if alive should check american Fascism

[king007]

Originally Posted by mediator

See nobody here said that Mulsims are terrorists! U only misunderstood and I know why! There are ignorant elements who dont know the real issue and then keep doing what Pakistanis really want => communal tensions! Please forgive them. U dont have to be like them. If u retaliate them it will only make matters worse! In most threads here u'll find many rowdy/ignorant elemts quoting "Muslims as terrorists". But then u'll also find greater number of people scolding them and telling them thats wrong!

Thanks that's what I like people who actually understand and say that Terrorism cannot be labeled to any religion. Thanks again for understanding and making others understand!

Bin Laden is a Terrorist and so is George Bush, there is no difference between the two, other than presentation by Media for former as Terrorist and later as Socialist...

No religion teaches bad things or killing any human being for any damn reason, but nobody should judge or comment about a entire religion just because of activities done by few individuals....

Respect for all religions is what our great Indian nation teaches us, United we stand and divided we fall...

[Yamaraj]

Originally Posted by imranais

No religion teaches bad things or killing any human being for any damn reason, but nobody should judge or comment about a entire religion just because of activities done by few individuals....

Respect for all religions is what our great Indian nation teaches us, United we stand and divided we fall...

Then you should be ashamed of the muslim terrorists who are committing inhuman
crimes all over the World, in the name of Islam and Jihad. Are you?

Muslims, in India, need to do more than just preaching that Islam is not about
violence, terrorism and separatism. Are you ready to accept the Indian laws
and constitution as others do? Are you ready to give up Shariya and firm your
beliefs in a democratic nation? If this can happen in France, why not here?

But no. Islam has always been and will continue to be a separatist's dream and
ideal set of beliefs. You will all cry "unity", but cheer for Arabs and Pakistanis.
Muslims will always remain as tiny social islands in this vast national ocean.
There is reason why muslims are one of the the most under-developed communities
in India and abroad. And the reason is - lack of nationality and love for Islamic
states and their own laws. Until and unless you get rid of this mentality, others
will always look down on muslims and Islam.

BTW, I don't think Osama was responsible for 9/11 attacks. He didn't have the
guts or resources to carry out such an extensive and well-planned action on his own.

[king007]

Originally Posted by Yamaraj

Then you should be ashamed of the muslim terrorists who are committing inhuman
crimes all over the World, in the name of Islam and Jihad. Are you?

Yes Every muslim is ashamed of the terrorists acts done by Al-Qaaeda or by US or other countries. People who kill have no religion, they just know to kill...

Originally Posted by Yamaraj

Muslims, in India, need to do more than just preaching that Islam is not about violence, terrorism and separatism. Are you ready to accept the Indian laws and constitution as others do?

Get ur facts right, no citizen of India is above the Indian Law and Indian Constitution.

Originally Posted by Yamaraj

Are you ready to give up Shariya and firm your beliefs in a democratic nation? If this can happen in France, why not here?

No I am not ready to give up Shariya, and if u have knowledge Shariya Laws are part of the Indian Laws. Indian Constitution has provisions for Shariya Laws.

Originally Posted by Yamaraj

But no. Islam has always been and will continue to be a separatist's dream and ideal set of beliefs. You will all cry "unity", but cheer for Arabs and Pakistanis.

Get more education thats only thing I can say. I dont need to prove how much I love my country and give a proof of my patriotism to people like you who have a closed mindset.

Originally Posted by Yamaraj

Muslims will always remain as tiny social islands in this vast national ocean. There is reason why muslims are one of the the most under-developed communities in India and abroad. And the reason is - lack of nationality and love for Islamic states and their own laws. Until and unless you get rid of this mentality, others will always look down on muslims and Islam.

People like you who have no knowledge about anything look down on muslims and Islam and as I said I love my country as much as I love Islamic Laws and again I say I dont need to prove it to you. Plz let me know which Islamic Law u know about is wrong and why u think is wrong.

Originally Posted by Yamaraj

BTW, I don't think Osama was responsible for 9/11 attacks. He didn't have the guts or resources to carry out such an extensive and well-planned action on his own.

Great then plz go and tell Uncle Sam and others who have destroyed countries in search of one man, who according to u does not have the guts and resources to do such a unbelievable act.

[Yamaraj]

Originally Posted by imranais

Yes Every muslim is ashamed of the terrorists acts done by Al-Qaaeda or by US or other countries. People who kill have no religion, they just know to kill...

Correct. But there are *moderate* people who help the terrorists in many other
ways. They provide moral and economical support. Can you describe why some
muslim lads participated in suicide bombings in Britain? They were British nationals,
but their love and affection was with Arabs and Palestines. They killed their
own because of others, why?

Even if we consider all humans equal, why kill someone only in protest of killings?
Stand up and fight against those in your community who provide support to
the terrorists in any way. AFAIK, terrorists don't discreminate. They kill anyone
and everyone in their benefit.

Originally Posted by imranais

Get ur facts right, no citizen of India is above the Indian Law and Indian Constitution.

No I am not ready to give up Shariya, and if u have knowledge Shariya Laws are part of the Indian Laws. Indian Constitution has provisions for Shariya Laws.

Wrong! Indian constituion was revised many times by the politicians to satiate
their vote banks. Why only muslims should have the priviledge? Let's make more
revisions to make Hindus, Christians, Buddhists happy too.

I'm in favor of "One law for all". This is neither a Hindu state, nor an Islamic one.
No religion should have specific laws in constitution that make life of any Indian
national any more difficult. Many muslim feminists have voiced against the Mullahs
and Imams, and the way Islam looks down on women. There are many other issues
as well, inappropriate for discussion in this forum.

Originally Posted by imranais

Get more education thats only thing I can say. I dont need to prove how much I love my country and give a proof of my patriotism to people like you who have a closed mindset.

People like you who have no knowledge about anything look down on muslims and Islam and as I said I love my country as much as I love Islamic Laws and again I say I dont need to prove it to you. Plz let me know which Islamic Law u know about is wrong and why u think is wrong.

I already have enough education to boot, and to make people analyse their own.
I'm not asking for a proof of patriotism. Just don't start preaching that Islam
is not a religion of violence, when there are so many people being killed in the
name of your religion. Do you ever think about the hundreds of children killed
in Beslan school attack in Russia, thousands who were killed in Kashmir?

As for the Islamic laws, I'm against any religion having specific laws that may
or may not interfere with the laws and constituion of a nation. Islamic laws are
for an Islamic state only. Having any religious laws in the constitution, and allowing
the religious leader to govern in parallel, is very bad for any country.

That being said, I've nothing personal against any religion. But I'm of the opinion
that religions should be a personal affair, and not be in the way of the Government
in any way. In France, they banned the Sikhs and Muslims from wearing their
turbon or burkah, and everyone agreed after a few verbal clashes. That is quite
an example to follow.

In the age of Robo Sapiens, religions are, in my opinion, a little too outdated.

[mediator]

Well @imranais....bro dont get me wrong! But I too feel there shud be no laws for one specific religion! Thats partiality then. There shudnt be any laws for any religion! I'm not a religious person though I'm a Hindu.That means I'm not religously devoted. I dont practise any prayers(except just before exams) and fasts. But for the sake of masses who are emotionally attached to religion I support a few things like celebrating holidays like Diwali,Holi,Id etc which bring happiness and one day off !

As for rules and laws in a religion, I think its a torture to have such a religion which has rules. In mah opinion life shud be lived freely,ethically,non-violently in a civilised society. If u let some religious rules govern ur life then I dont think ur living life freely and happily. Many people say religion is a set of rules and laws! But tell me any rules in Hinduism that is there to follow. I dont know any rules nor I follow any religious rule if there's any.

Prayer,Namaz etc are nothing but a form of meditation and associated with spirituality. But if u say u shud do prayers all the time then what are u doing in life? Are u moving forward? Are u helping others? Are u earning maximum money to keep ur family happy?

I dunno about Sharia, but I know about the concept of "Talak Talak Talak"! Why is there a separate rule for divorce in Muslim community? I appreciate that u understood mah previous post and boast about ur patriotism and are proud to be an Indian. But then why is that Muslims dont follow national rule on divorce, but follow a rule that is modified and made by a few Islamic clerics? Who gave such rights to these clerics to modify Islam and govern ur life? Isnt Islam urs? Will they tell u what do now? Dont ISlamic women have the life to live freely like other women? If u think its for protecting the girls in the family so that no one eyes them then every other girl of all other religions are protected and educated in some manner. But they are not denied of their life. Remember its the woman who holds the key to family happiness! If u give the household power to her then ur happy for the rest of ur life!

And one more thing I dont like in any religion is violent activities like slaughtering of animals like goats and that too in numbers just for the sake of religion! I consider killing an animal just like that equivalent to murdering people and doing terrorism! Religious holdays shu be celebrated without causing any pain to people or animals!
Similarly I criticise people who celebrate too much diwali! 2-5 crackers is OK. But then polluting the atmosphere so that people dont even get to breath is not OK.


Neways just like u read my earlier post line by line and understood it. I want u to read the same this and meditate again on what I said!
I supported u previously because u had a point. U liked my post because I supported u and u thought I was sensible enough. But dont get me wrong this time. I support ur views now also but not the "laws" thing.
Debates like this are meant to tell ur thoughts about the topic. Other debaters shud understand what the person is trying to say before speaking his own thoughts!
Suppose if some hindus or christians criticise islam, then its understood that u'll get angry. But rather u shud think why are they criticing? Similarly if some Muslims crtitices other hindus. The matter shud be thought of in the same way!

Try to think about what I said. I appreciate u didnt made personal comments and burst off because of misunderstanding but rather tried to defend ur community! Similarly by removing such partiality like laws, muslims like u can prosper ur religion!

I expect muslims like u to give a fitting answer to people like Osama and countries like Pakistan and tell them that their attempts wont succeed and wont bring any communal violence!

[Stick]

Friends,

Do you know Who Support Iran, Iraq, Laden and now Pakistan, it's US presidents and there policy. First of all thy USE them (Support Terrorist) and when all is done they THROGUH them, and no one like KICK on ASS.

Thats why After Afghanistan, US turn to Iraq than (may be soon) Iran and aftr Iran, PAKISTAN.

[king007]

Originally Posted by mediator

Well @imranais....bro dont get me wrong! But I too feel there shud be no laws for one specific religion! Thats partiality then. There shudnt be any laws for any religion! I'm not a religious person though I'm a Hindu.That means I'm not religously devoted. I dont practise any prayers(except just before exams) and fasts. But for the sake of masses who are emotionally attached to religion I support a few things like celebrating holidays like Diwali,Holi,Id etc which bring happiness and one day off !

No bro you talk sense so I am not getting u wrong! All laws are applicable for all citizens of India. No criminal of India is treated as per his/her religion. No one is above the Law in India. Having said that there are a few exceptions for everyone. This is because there are some laws such as Inheritance rights, marriage, divorce etc are different in Muslim laws based on teachings of Qur'an and teachings of the prophet. With regards to partiality, one cannot tell a Sikh to wear a Helmet bec its compulsory by law, there are exeptions. There is no theory which can legitimately argue that people are going to be more integrated simply because they are governed by a uniform civil code. For example, even though Hindus and Sikhs have the same personal laws, the anti-Sikhs riots took place in 1984. What happened to national integration in this case? Similarly, no one can say with certainty that Hindus and Muslims will stop reaching for each other’s necks if there is a Uniform Civil Code UCC in place. So why argue about this point as these would also put extra burden on already full of burden courts. Cases such as Inheritance, divorce etc which are given on judgement in days by Shariat courts, if goto courts will take years...

Originally Posted by mediator

As for rules and laws in a religion, I think its a torture to have such a religion which has rules. In mah opinion life shud be lived freely,ethically,non-violently in a civilised society. If u let some religious rules govern ur life then I dont think ur living life freely and happily. Many people say religion is a set of rules and laws! But tell me any rules in Hinduism that is there to follow. I dont know any rules nor I follow any religious rule if there's any.

Rules of religion are bound to be followed. I am not preaching religion here but in Islam, Drinking is prohibited, there is a reason for it isn't it? No true muslim will ever go and drink, if he does he is no more a muslim. In Islam, No man can have illegal sex before marriage or sex with other women after marriage. The Islamic Law states that if a man is found guilty of such a crime he should be stoned to death. Imagine if this law is implemented in any country, will any person commit heinous crime of Rape, he would fear his life and the torture of getting stoned to death in public. There are many laws which are logical and for betterment of life, if I start listing it would probably take pages.

Originally Posted by mediator

Prayer,Namaz etc are nothing but a form of meditation and associated with spirituality. But if u say u shud do prayers all the time then what are u doing in life? Are u moving forward? Are u helping others? Are u earning maximum money to keep ur family happy?

Yes Bro I agree with u that prayer's are form of meditation. In fact Namaz means submitting ur will to the almighty God. God never asked to pray all the time. But one should thank and praise God for everything he has given to us. A Person has other duties also to perform towards his parents, family, friends etc. Treat everyone with respect and spread peace and also working and earning money is important, but the right means of earning is also governed by religious laws. Money should be earned by looting someone or cheating someone but in a manner which is accpetable to all. And Islam specifically states a lot in the Qur'an about Education. Muslims who do not educate their children (boy/girl) are nothing but ignorant towards Islam.

Originally Posted by mediator

I dunno about Sharia, but I know about the concept of "Talak Talak Talak"! Why is there a separate rule for divorce in Muslim community? I appreciate that u understood mah previous post and boast about ur patriotism and are proud to be an Indian. But then why is that Muslims dont follow national rule on divorce, but follow a rule that is modified and made by a few Islamic clerics? Who gave such rights to these clerics to modify Islam and govern ur life? Isnt Islam urs? Will they tell u what do now?

Triple Talaq has been argued many times. Believe me there are lot of conditions involved with giving Triple Talaq. A person cannot say 3 times Talaq and he is divorced (as commonly understood by all), but there are lots and lots of conditions to it. I am not boasting about my Patriotism, I dont need to but you rightly said I am a proud Indian and like I said earlier there are exceptions. I dont listen or let anyone rule by life like you said, if it matches with the Qur'an and teachings of Prophet it is to be followed or it is simply to be Rejected no matter which cleric has said or modified it.

Originally Posted by mediator

Dont ISlamic women have the life to live freely like other women? If u think its for protecting the girls in the family so that no one eyes them then every other girl of all other religions are protected and educated in some manner. But they are not denied of their life. Remember its the woman who holds the key to family happiness! If u give the household power to her then ur happy for the rest of ur life!

Islam gives equal rights to women as compared to men. Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

Originally Posted by mediator

And one more thing I dont like in any religion is violent activities like slaughtering of animals like goats and that too in numbers just for the sake of religion! I consider killing an animal just like that equivalent to murdering people and doing terrorism! Religious holdays shu be celebrated without causing any pain to people or animals!
Similarly I criticise people who celebrate too much diwali! 2-5 crackers is OK. But then polluting the atmosphere so that people dont even get to breath is not OK.

It seems u are a vegetarian...
Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth
If you observe the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow, goat and sheep, you will find something strikingly similar in all of them. All these animals have a set of flat teeth i.e. suited for herbivorous diet. If you observe the set of teeth of the carnivorous animals like the lion, tiger, or leopard, they all have a set of pointed teeth i.e. suited for a carnivorous diet. If you analyze the set of teeth of humans, you find that they have flat teeth as well as pointed teeth. Thus they have teeth suited for both herbivorous as well as carnivorous food i.e. they are omnivorous. One may ask, if Almighty God wanted humans to have only vegetables, why did He provide us also with pointed teeth? It is logical that He expected us to need and to have both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food.
Human beings can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food
The digestive system of herbivorous animals can digest only vegetables. The digestive system of carnivorous animals can digest only meat. But the digestive system of humans can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food. If Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables then why did He give us a digestive system that can digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food?
Even plants have life
Certain religions have adopted pure vegetarianism as a dietary law because they are totally against the killing of living creatures. If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life. In the past people thought plants were lifeless. Today it is a universal fact that even plants have life. Today science tells us that even plants can feel pain. But the cry of the plant cannot be heard by the human being. This is due to the inability of the human ear to hear sounds that are not in the audible range i.e. 20 Hertz to 20,000 Hertz. Anything below and above this range cannot be heard by a human being. Thus their logic of not killing living creatures is not fulfilled even by being a pure vegetarian.
If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. Allah (swt) in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle. It is mentioned in Manu Smruti, the law book of Hindus, in chapter 5 verse 30
"The eater who eats the flesh of those to be eaten does nothing bad, even if he does it day after day, for God himself created some to be eaten and some to be eater."

Originally Posted by mediator

Neways just like u read my earlier post line by line and understood it. I want u to read the same this and meditate again on what I said!

I read ur post line by line, and expect you read my post in the same way....

Originally Posted by mediator

I supported u previously because u had a point. U liked my post because I supported u and u thought I was sensible enough. But dont get me wrong this time. I support ur views now also but not the "laws" thing.
Debates like this are meant to tell ur thoughts about the topic. Other debaters shud understand what the person is trying to say before speaking his own thoughts!

I didnt like your post because you supported me but because you gave a reading to it and replied with lot of sense. I respect people who have open mind and are open to discussions and debate and so I respect u a lot bro!

Originally Posted by mediator

Suppose if some hindus or christians criticise islam, then its understood that u'll get angry. But rather u shud think why are they criticing? Similarly if some Muslims crtitices other hindus. The matter shud be thought of in the same way!

I totally agree with u on this!

Originally Posted by mediator

Try to think about what I said. I appreciate u didnt made personal comments and burst off because of misunderstanding but rather tried to defend ur community!

Thanks for understanding that I was only defending and not preaching or offending someone.

Originally Posted by mediator

I expect muslims like u to give a fitting answer to people like Osama and countries like Pakistan and tell them that their attempts wont succeed and wont bring any communal violence!

Yes I and all Indian Muslims (there may be a few uneducated exceptions as there are black sheeps in every religion) stand against a Terrorist country like Pakistan and also against all violence happening anywhere in the world for any damn reason.

Thanks for reading patiently, would like to hear more comments and clarifications from u soon, Thanks!

[praka123]

fight terrorism out of India and world without taking out religious sentiments.thats what every country needed to do even Islamic Countries also.anyways after the US attack on Afganisthan,and warnings for militant bases at pakistan from US,somehow made the terrorist establishment lesser as u can see Kashmir is getting Better after these foreign terrorist/infiltrators are less in number.


Basically i think the believers in Ganga-Jamuna delta are much better than their counterparts in saud and middle east as a whole.they are having better skills on all arts and are more liberal earlier.
http://www.milligazette.com/Archives...1512200426.htm

anyways i believe Hindus,Buddhist,Jainism and Roman Catholic/Orthodox Christianity are very very tolerant religions.they allows other religions and foreign peoples in their land and gave them the privilages of the country to these foreigners also.
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_ar..._nr-297/i.html

[Yamaraj]

Originally Posted by imranais

Rules of religion are bound to be followed. I am not preaching religion here but in Islam, Drinking is prohibited, there is a reason for it isn't it? No true muslim will ever go and drink, if he does he is no more a muslim. In Islam, No man can have illegal sex before marriage or sex with other women after marriage. The Islamic Law states that if a man is found guilty of such a crime he should be stoned to death.

Then how many real muslims are there in the World? Religious rules are pathetic
ideological ramblings of a perfectionist schizophreniac, most of the times. And
I'm not talking about any specific religion. Manu Smruti is equally laughable, as
are Old/New Testaments. Any normal and sane person wouldn't even follow
half the rules imposed by any religion whatsoever.

Remember, Islam, or any other religion, doesn't predate the evolution of mankind.
Religions exist to serve one purpose only - to differentiate and discriminate.
For what other reason one would place his sword at the neck of another and
ask him to accept his ideology or die? Obviously hatred!

No other religion ever had provision to make others pay taxes, if they didn't
already convert, or die as 'infidels'. Violence and hatred are integral to Islam.
The whole of Islamic history is full of violence and hatred towards others. The
same cannot be said about Hinduism (even if I don't consider it a religion) and
Buddhism or Jainism.

You cannot boast of peace in the name of Islam, for peace and Islam don't
quite fit together. It's an oxymoron. Why don't you spend some time explaining
this verse to me, in terms of peace?

From Qur'an:
"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike
off the very tips of their fingers!"

Any"thing" that preaches violence to its followers is not worthy of the title
"God", not does it even qualify for a sane person. It's pure terrorism.

I invite you and others to read the following articles and form your own
'independent' opinion, one not directed by the mass media or "prophets".

1. Where is the Gandhi of Islam? - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...o09.xml&page=1
2. Muhammad was a terrorist - http://answering-islam.org/Silas/terrorism.htm
3. Islamic extremist terrorism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic...mist_terrorism

There is no place for senseless religious violence in today's World. If you can't
get rid of your Dark Ages' beliefs, at least learn to live in a civilized democratic
society.