90.6% Indians still dont have Computer/Laptop!!!

[Sujeet]

The Census Data 2011 For Phase I is out And according To it 90% of Indians still dont have Computer/Laptop:

The Percentile for Urban Population is 81.3%
The percentile for Rural Population is 94.9%

Head to this link for complete Survey Report 2011-12 .Phase 1
Census of India : Houselisting and Housing Census Data Highlights - 2011



Source:Times Of India/Censusindia.gov.in

[DeSmOnD dAvId]

I don't think it is likely that all Indians will ever have a laptop.

[Sujeet]

^^not even computer???

[techbulb]

Census is very very inaccurate due to the large population of india

[Sujeet]

^^Lol... accurate enough to give a picture of whats the current stats.Cant deny data.

[DeSmOnD dAvId]

^^not even computer???

Yeah....not even computer. Look, people hardly have food, clothing and shelter.

[Krow]

Census is very very inaccurate due to the large population of india

Please avoid making generalised posts without any knowledge whatsoever. AFAIK, Indian Census has an accuracy level of around 98%, which is massive considering the huge population. It is one of the world's most reliable source of statistical data.

[thetechfreak]

The stats look interesting considering India is the 3rd rank in Internet usage.

[Sujeet]

Finally somebody Turned on the bulb of wisdom.!

Yeah....not even computer. Look, people hardly have food, clothing and shelter.

Thats a national issue everybody talks but nobody real cares about.

Look at the point of focus ...there are many more ways of going offtopic!

There is a constant war going war over that topic in several threads of Chit Chat and Fight Club.No Need Extending it here!

[tkin]

^^not even computer???

Computer is purely a luxury item that we have integrated in our lives, think about a farmer, what will he do with a laptop? Or computer?

[techbulb]

Please avoid making generalised posts without any knowledge whatsoever. AFAIK, Indian Census has an accuracy level of around 98%, which is massive considering the huge population. It is one of the world's most reliable source of statistical data.

I know that indian census is very reliable but there is very large population many people die every day many are born many travel many are in such areas which are not properly connected with the outer world so census can be very inaccurate and computer is still a luxury in some backward areas of india so i am not saying that this figure entirely wrong but it is 5-7% less but it is figure of owning a personel pc people reach to computer & the www is still very high through cyber cafes,mobiles etc today we can browse internet on even a 2000rs mobile
And i am a student of commerce, i know a thing or 2 about stats

[Sujeet]

^^Symbolic of progress and development..not exclusively...but still...it signifies access to information which itself mean development.
Farmers dont have computers and thats the point...there are not in postition to own or use it...they have much harder problems to face ....Which highlights overall weak economy of our country and it progress status!!

[Krow]

Erm... the figure is about owning a computer or laptop. Does it even count mobiles? The accuracy figure I gave you is after births, deaths and migration are taken into account. Being a student of commerce has nothing to do with making general statements.

[techbulb]

Ya i know that but even after that some mistakes happen in stats we learn the formulas & functions used by the census and how do they use even if something is wrong u can get acceptable results by these formulas and then they don't get rectified
And they can't accurately measure the death,born & migration because many people in villages and backward areas don't even make birth certificates and register the deaths of people

[theserpent]

Guys see india has a census method which is not recommended for large populations,Its has lots of errors due to human work,Entries etc.So its not accurate

[Krow]

What method is recommended for large populations may I know?


@techbulb: Think beyond what is taught too. Do the census people come and ask you to show birth certificates? Or whether deaths were registered? The only way census fails is if people lie. And they generally do not. Once again, the Indian census is around 98% accurate despite all migrations, births and deaths. Large number of people do not kill its accuracy. It remains one of the most detailed surveys of the world.

[S_V]

Please avoid making generalised posts without any knowledge whatsoever. AFAIK, Indian Census has an accuracy level of around 98%, which is massive considering the huge population. It is one of the world's most reliable source of statistical data.

This I can't agree with you man. No offence

Indian Census is not as accurate you claim here. My father(Retired) and uncles' work in Revenue Department and I am pretty sure How things go around there. In fact they are the worst in collecting data. Example.. If you take Ration card , imagine how much fake data is present in our country. No one till now came to my House or apartment for survey to know How many does live in our colony and yet we get stupid Numbers in papers during Voter list process. This can't stop if I start telling about this process. 98% accurate? Oh come on...

[funskar]

It's not true..

[Krow]

This I can't agree with you man. No offence

Indian Census is not as accurate you claim here. My father(Retired) and uncles' work in Revenue Department and I am pretty sure How things go around there. In fact they are the worst in collecting data. Example.. If you take Ration card , imagine how much fake data is present in our country. No one till now came to my House or apartment for survey to know How many does live in our colony and yet we get stupid Numbers in papers during Voter list process. This can't stop if I start telling about this process. 98% accurate? Oh come on...

Well, some things are hard to explain. A 2% error rate in 1.2 billion people is a huge number in itself. Whether you agree or not is not the question here. I am quoting a figure acknowledged by some of the best statisticians in the country. I'll double check if I get the time and try to find a link.

And what does revenue department have to do with collecting census data?

[R2K]

Mobile internet is way too cheap in India because majority of Indians have data plan/ internet connectivity in their phones. (And I think almost everyone has cell phone these days) . So the mobile service providers are competing in giving the best possible rates.

Like that if everyone were using a PC with a regular broadband conn. like they are using mobile Internet these days, our broadband charges wouldn't be so damn expensive like what it is at the moment.

[gopi_vbboy]

[theserpent]

What method is recommended for large populations may I know?


@techbulb: Think beyond what is taught too. Do the census people come and ask you to show birth certificates? Or whether deaths were registered? The only way census fails is if people lie. And they generally do not. Once again, the Indian census is around 98% accurate despite all migrations, births and deaths. Large number of people do not kill its accuracy. It remains one of the most detailed surveys of the world.

Well for large population sample survey is preferred(As it is written in my books).
But even Sample Survey has many errors.
But i think its wrong.Around 30-45% must be having pc's at home.
Ofcource Census Enumeration is more detailed.But i mean,It might be done due to human error,Because people go from house to house,Spending at least 20 mins in each,They get tired.So,they might be mistakes in entering maybe,while they enter it in their comp

This I can't agree with you man. No offence

Indian Census is not as accurate you claim here. My father(Retired) and uncles' work in Revenue Department and I am pretty sure How things go around there. In fact they are the worst in collecting data. Example.. If you take Ration card , imagine how much fake data is present in our country. No one till now came to my House or apartment for survey to know How many does live in our colony and yet we get stupid Numbers in papers during Voter list process. This can't stop if I start telling about this process. 98% accurate? Oh come on...

+1.They dont even keep the files in a correct order

[ajaymailed]

90.6% Indians still dont have Computer/Laptop!!!

considering the literacy rate, computer literacy, number of people completing high school, number of college graduates, number of people actually depending on computer for work, education, entertainment, daily needs etc 10% is decent figure, that itself is more than 100 million.

i am a bank employee, we try to convince customers in semi-urban & rural areas to use internet as platform for banking, but they are either too ignorant or simply afraid of making mistakes while doing transactions online.

There are people who don't own a PC but still use computers in internet cafe, so people having access to computers will be a much larger group.

Internet Cafes are still a major way of access to PC with internet in rural regions.

[Skud]

Computer is purely a luxury item that we have integrated in our lives, think about a farmer, what will he do with a laptop? Or computer?

Data on weather, modern farm practices, price, futures trading of agricultural produce etc. There are already KVK's (Krishi Vigyan Kendra) where farmers come for information. Also NABARD helps setting up type of kiosks (shame on me, forgotten the exact name of the project), where a computer and internet connection is provided. Member farmers can gather information and knowledge free of cost. Any information just a click away.

That's the beauty of computer and internet, it can actually help empower people. Too bad some of our politicians/general public make us think otherwise.

[sujoyp]

Crap As someone said before that when maybe 30% of India's population is still hungry for food and dont have clothing, these survey count them to have a laptop and computer.

This is sheer stupidity ....rather than this they should do a survey on " How much hours of electricity is provided in Rural areas every day "

I have heard that in rural areas there is no electricity for 8-16 hrs

[Liverpool_fan]

Computing and Internet does indeed enpower people, and please don't bring blah blah are hungry there's no need for a computer. Typical Indian non-progessive attitude.

[Tech&ME]

Data on weather, modern farm practices, price, futures trading of agricultural produce etc. There are already KVK's (Krishi Vigyan Kendra) where farmers come for information. Also NABARD helps setting up type of kiosks (shame on me, forgotten the exact name of the project), where a computer and internet connection is provided. Member farmers can gather information and knowledge free of cost. Any information just a click away.

That's the beauty of computer and internet, it can actually help empower people. Too bad some of our politicians/general public make us think otherwise.

Yes.

We can take the example of Gujarat. Amul India. They have this Kiosk @Skud is talking about.

This has empowered women and the use of technology.

Excerpt:

Milk is collected at the co-operative milk collection centres located
within 5-10 km of the villages supplying the milk. The number of
farmers selling milk to these centres varies from 100 to 1000 and the
daily milk collection varies from 1000 litres to 10,000 litres. Each
farmer is given a plastic card as ID. At the counter he drops the card
into a box that reads it electronically and transmits the identification
number to the PC. The milk is emptied into a steel trough kept over a
weighbridge. Instantly the weight of the milk is displayed to the
farmers and communicated to a PC.

Although the ownership of having a computer is very low in India, we are still technologically moving forward at a very fast rate.

Election Voting Machine [EVM] is one of its kind in the world.

Also, Data of the statistics are correct as long as the person giving the data is telling the truth..

[S_V]

Well, some things are hard to explain. A 2% error rate in 1.2 billion people is a huge number in itself. Whether you agree or not is not the question here. I am quoting a figure acknowledged by some of the best statisticians in the country. I'll double check if I get the time and try to find a link.

And what does revenue department have to do with collecting census data?

is this Question for serious?

If you ever ask anyone who's works in Collect-orate Office. They will be happy to tell you How Revenue Department is involved in Census Data collection.. Listen I am not telling Revenue will control the statistical Department. It's the Collector (IAS officer) will make use of Revenue Department if they are short in staff or depend on the Situations. The Statistical and Revenue (Infact Government Employees) People are so lazy to go each and every individual House for Data and majority of the them fill the data themselves.

[Tech&ME]

is this Question for serious?

If you ever ask anyone who's works in Collect-orate Office. They will be happy to tell you How Revenue Department is involved in Census Data collection.. Listen I am not telling Revenue will control the statistical Department. It's the Collector (IAS officer) will make use of Revenue Department if they are short in staff or depend on the Situations. The Statistical and Revenue (Infact Government Employees) People are so lazy to go each and every individual House for Data and majority of the them fill the data themselves.

Well, some things are hard to explain. A 2% error rate in 1.2 billion people is a huge number in itself. Whether you agree or not is not the question here. I am quoting a figure acknowledged by some of the best statisticians in the country. I'll double check if I get the time and try to find a link.

And what does revenue department have to do with collecting census data?

I think you both need to understand that the statistical data in India is not collected by a SINGLE Department or Ministry.

Their is a vast parity between the actual data collected and the one which is recorded.

Please go to this link to understand it.

Example:

The other day someone came to my house saying they are from Health Department and would like to collect data on:

1. Number of Members in the family.

2. Age.

3. Education Qualification of each member.

4. Job / Self Employed / etc status of each member.

5. Health Insurance [ if subscribed to any with details ]

Now I answered every question correctly except the last question. I said we have no LIC or any other Insurance policy because I had no time to give him the actual details, so I simply said we have no Insurance Policy.

The point I want to make here is : Data Collected may not contain all the truth.

[Krow]

I think you both need to understand that the statistical data in India is not collected by a SINGLE Department or Ministry.

Your low powers of comprehension amuse me once again. When have I ever said that stats are collected only by one department? Kindly avoid mis-quoting and putting things out of context.