90.6% Indians still dont have Computer/Laptop!!!

[Tech&ME]

Your low powers of comprehension amuse me once again. When have I ever said that stats are collected only by one department? Kindly avoid mis-quoting and putting things out of context.

thanks for the rant.

98% accuracy ?? that was my context for you. If different departments collect data, consistency is lost.

you will not understand this.

[sygeek]

Isn't this very obvious?

Whoever is upgrading to a whole new system, consider donating your previous system.

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Computing and Internet does indeed enpower people, and please don't bring blah blah are hungry there's no need for a computer. Typical Indian non-progessive attitude.

And why not?Personal Computers should be way down the priority list.

Data on weather, modern farm practices, price, futures trading of agricultural produce etc. There are already KVK's (Krishi Vigyan Kendra) where farmers come for information. Also NABARD helps setting up type of kiosks (shame on me, forgotten the exact name of the project), where a computer and internet connection is provided. Member farmers can gather information and knowledge free of cost. Any information just a click away.

This.Computers at community centres are enough at the moment in rural areas.

[Piyush]

90.6% Indians still don't have Computer/Laptop!!!

[Sujeet]

Well, some things are hard to explain. A 2% error rate in 1.2 billion people is a huge number in itself. Whether you agree or not is not the question here. I am quoting a figure acknowledged by some of the best statisticians in the country. I'll double check if I get the time and try to find a link.

And what does revenue department have to do with collecting census data?

Correct.

Around 30-45% must be having pc's at home.
Ofcource Census Enumeration is more detailed.But i mean,It might be done due to human error,Because people go from house to house,Spending at least 20 mins in each,They get tired.So,they might be mistakes in entering maybe,while they enter it in their comp

You are guessing that it should be around 30-45% and that too for 1.2bn Population...do you know the extent of ESTIMATION you have dared to make.Sire! And are still not ready to accept the figures which even if not that accurate are good enough to give a bigger picture of the level of technological penetration Indian society has undergone!

Noobish Talk...Data can be inaccurate because people were tired..how many times do you write a answer wrong in exams even when you know the correct answer...jut because you are tired!!! Some errors could be there but its a matter of national issue..lives of 1.2 billion Indians...The data is cross checked for minimum official/human based errors and are revised several times before publishing..go check out a office where they do it the hard way!

Data on weather, modern farm practices, price, futures trading of agricultural produce etc. There are already KVK's (Krishi Vigyan Kendra) where farmers come for information. Also NABARD helps setting up type of kiosks (shame on me, forgotten the exact name of the project), where a computer and internet connection is provided. Member farmers can gather information and knowledge free of cost. Any information just a click away.

That's the beauty of computer and internet, it can actually help empower people. Too bad some of our politicians/general public make us think otherwise.

Right.Technology brings empowerment and progress .It is symbolic of Progress.

Crap As someone said before that when maybe 30% of India's population is still hungry for food and dont have clothing, these survey count them to have a laptop and computer.

This is sheer stupidity ....rather than this they should do a survey on " How much hours of electricity is provided in Rural areas every day "

I have heard that in rural areas there is no electricity for 8-16 hrs

Take break before jumping into discussion.Check out the link in first Post..There is the complete database of entire survey reports carried out with 30+mb of excel/pdf files with electricity / automobile/water and tons other topics.

Computing and Internet does indeed empower people, and please don't bring blah blah are hungry there's no need for a computer. Typical Indian non-progressive attitude.

Well said.

[Liverpool_fan]

And why not?Personal Computers should be way down the priority list.

Read my post again.

[ajaymailed]

Crap As someone said before that when maybe 30% of India's population is still hungry for food and dont have clothing, these survey count them to have a laptop and computer.

This is sheer stupidity ....rather than this they should do a survey on " How much hours of electricity is provided in Rural areas every day "

I have heard that in rural areas there is no electricity for 8-16 hrs

Basic needs are always more important any computer or electricity. Above the basic needs, one needs literacy, infrastructure like electricity to own a computer/laptop.

Focus of PC/Laptop is on people who are able to meet basic needs & has electricity for most of the time, not for below poverty line or people struggling to meet those basic needs.

technology is supposed to help overcome lack of infrastructure like copper wire network, regular electricity supply etc

[Arsenal_Gunners]

Read my post again.

There really is no need or use of a computer for people lacking basic amenities.

Ask a typical farmer what he needs more.A desktop and Internet to access information or electricity for irrigation.I know what he'd prefer.

[CommanderShawnzer]

Computing and Internet does indeed enpower people, and please don't bring blah blah are hungry there's no need for a computer. Typical Indian non-progessive attitude.

So i take it you're....... English?
computers/laptops comes figures like no.6 on people's priority list
1.food & nutrition
2.shelter
3. literacy(how on earth can you make full use of a PC if you're not literate)
4.electricity(solar power PC's are not mainstream....yet)
5.good income/money(money to buy a PC.standard rig's come for 20k min.a debt-ridden farmer generally cant afford that)
6.computers/laptops

Computing and Internet does indeed enpower people, and please don't bring blah blah are hungry there's no need for a computer.

i agree PC's and technology sure empower people

[DeSmOnD dAvId]

I couldn't agree less, but the statement should be that PCs empower people, provided that basic necessities are met.
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[Skud]

The main problem? Population. No one has asked the poor for endless production of children when they can't afford basic necessities for themselves. And don't blame Govt. or politicians for this.

[ajaybc]

lol @

endless production of children

[CommanderShawnzer]

The main problem? Population. No one has asked the poor for endless production of children when they can't afford basic necessities for themselves. And don't blame Govt. or politicians for this.

the poor f**k for entertaintment. they don't have anything else to do
what the government can do is to provide contraceptives free to the poor

[Skud]

the poor f**k for entertaintment. they don't have anything else to do
what the government can do is to provide contraceptives free to the poor

Govt. has spend enough on Nirodh and Nasbandi over the years, it is the people who are not very fond of the idea of having sex just for fun, blame it on our tradition, culture, economy whatever.

[pkkumarcool]

Govt. has spend enough on Nirodh and Nasbandi over the years, it is the people who are not very fond of the idea of having sex just for fun, blame it on our tradition, culture, economy whatever.

LOL what the thread has lead us to.......

[Liverpool_fan]

There really is no need or use of a computer for people lacking basic amenities.

Ask a typical farmer what he needs more.A desktop and Internet to access information or electricity for irrigation.I know what he'd prefer.

As I said read what I meant. Nowhere did I talk about "priorities" and comparing both will be like comparing apples to oranges. Yes indeed he does need seeds, irrigation, for basic needs far more than anything else but that does not mean there should not be progress technologically wise to bring basic computing and internet to access to an Indian farmer to enpower them and what not. It doesn't mean the farmer has to own a computer, but simply having access to the technology will definitely increase the quality of life of a farmer (which someone suggested and you agreed with).

Secondly neither of these stuff should stop the other. For one set of farmers, you'll strive to bring better seeds, irrigation, etc. while for others who already have those privileges we have to up to the next stage with machines, access to technology, etc. This is called progress and under no circumstances should be limited to one single viewpoint.

If you ask me; technology is no way a luxury, and the impact of technology on education (which is only one thing for a start) - which is every bit as important as anything else in our lives, can never be overstated, sadly people stick to medieval thoughts and beliefs.

So i take it you're....... English?
computers/laptops comes figures like no.6 on people's priority list
1.food & nutrition
2.shelter
3. literacy(how on earth can you make full use of a PC if you're not literate)
4.electricity(solar power PC's are not mainstream....yet)
5.good income/money(money to buy a PC.standard rig's come for 20k min.a debt-ridden farmer generally cant afford that)
6.computers/laptops

I never made a priority list or mentioned anything close to that. Improve your comprehension skills. Secondly keep that "Are you English" crap with yourself, not accepting the criticism of their own country is another idioticity we Indians suffer from.

Govt. has spend enough on Nirodh and Nasbandi over the years, it is the people who are not very fond of the idea of having sex just for fun, blame it on our tradition, culture, economy whatever.

Yup, the issue is the mentality of underprivileged Indians according to whom, more kids implies more hands to beg/labour and henceforth more income. Medieval standard of living and backward + retarded culture doesn't help either.

[Sujeet]

I never made a priority list or mentioned anything close to that. Improve your comprehension skills. Secondly keep that "Are you English" crap with yourself, not accepting the criticism of their own country is another idioticity we Indians suffer from..

Well said.

[CommanderShawnzer]

I never made a priority list or mentioned anything close to that. Improve your comprehension skills. Secondly keep that "Are you English" crap at yourself, not accepting the criticism of their own country is another idioticity we Indians suffer from.
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1.i never said that you made a priority list or anything.i made the priority list thing just to give you the idea that computers aren't foremost for most(poor) people.other basic necessities come first

retarded culture doesn't help either.

you're calling our culture retarded?(i agree we have a serious poverty problem but our culture is not at fault)
stop criticizing your country for everything. India may not be as great as developed countries but we are better off than most developing countries

Yup, the issue is the mentality of underprivileged Indians according to whom, more kids implies more hands to beg/labour and henceforth more income..

good point. i never thought about it

[Skud]

Secondly neither of these stuff should stop the other. For one set of farmers, you'll strive to bring better seeds, irrigation, etc. while for others who already have those privileges we have to up to the next stage with machines, access to technology, etc. This is called progress and under no circumstances should be limited to one single viewpoint.

This. Nicely put up mate.

[JojoTheDragon]

The main problem? Population. No one has asked the poor for endless production of children when they can't afford basic necessities for themselves. And don't blame Govt. or politicians for this.

Right on target.
Education may solve this.

[CommanderShawnzer]

Right on target.
Education may solve this.

Nice idea but...the poor generally feel education is (useless/waste of money/time and other sorts of non-progressive crap) and kids can help more in the house or can be sent to the farm to work
this medieval mindset has to be changed by creating awareness.and then poor can be given education so that they may make full use of it

[Skud]

hmmm... who will bell the cat?

[CommanderShawnzer]

hmmm... who will bell the cat?

um,in what context do you mean "bell the cat"

[Skud]

this medieval mindset has to be changed by creating awareness.and then poor can be given education so that they may make full use of it

This. Has to be changed, but its not easy to change the mindset of rural folks. Try talking with one of them and you will know.

Still things are improving. I have seen changes over the years at my ancestor's place. The pace is painfully slow, but still things are improving. You can't change human beings overnight.

[Anorion]

you mean to say poor people shouldnt have kids? thats such a bad idea, close to eugenics

[CommanderShawnzer]

This. Has to be changed, but its not easy to change the mindset of rural folks. Try talking with one of them and you will know.

Still things are improving. I have seen changes over the years at my ancestor's place. The pace is painfully slow, but still things are improving. You can't change human beings overnight.

True. their mindsets have to be changed. but its though to talk sense to them

[Skud]

@Anorion: Neither they should have dozens.

BTW, I have never said they shouldn't have any.

[lordirecto]

I see a lot of people are talking about what has to be changed, and what needs to be done. But the question is, who is ready to bring the change? How many of us talking in this forum are ready to take up a responsibility to create awareness?
I would say that the fundamental problem is not creating awareness and what needs to be changed, but who is ready to bring the change and create awareness. So unless we figure out how to bring people forward who can bring change, no matter how many census we put forth, these census figures will not change much.

[Anorion]

ok village people are not idiots, they are usually smart enough to get what they want, the fact that more people have television than toilets just goes to show that more people prolly choose to have television over toilets
while they are not idiots, they are wild, you never know what kind of use or abuse they will come up with everything new that is introduced to them
mostly this progress and western culture have ruined villages... the villagers themselves will be the first to accept it... people start becoming greedy and money minded
just think how much of these things you need to live comfortably, if you have good food and a good home, a television, computer, mobile phone etc are just superficial distractions that dont really make your life easier
and if you listen to our own elders, most of them refused to bathe or have a toilet in the same house where you slept and had the kitchen - it had to be in a separate area well away from the house. Now that was hygienic.

[Skud]

What about clothes, that's luxury too. You need nothing except food and shelter, if you strip down to bare minimum (no pun). And what about the technology that provides us our food and shelter, we can't really start eating raw. How are you going to dispense with that?

Regarding mobile phones, they do have made our life easier, like ordering food when you are not in a position to cook.

And poor/villagers are equally money minded like others much before the so-called Western culture invaded their lives. The milkman is one of my favourite example.