India’s growing clout in Kabul may impact stability: US Gen

[Faun]

WASHINGTON: As the grandees of the international community gather this week in Pittsburgh, formerly the city of

steel, with international
economy and climate change on top of the agenda, the issue before Prime Minister
Manmohan Singh during his 30-hour sortie there is to figure out why the United States is blowing hot and cold in its dealings with India.

The mixed signals emanating from Washington is best illustrated by one paragraph, the only one relating to India, in the report by US General Stanley McChrystal about the dire situation in the Af-Pak theatre. It reads: “Indian political and economic influence is increasing in Afghanistan, including significant development efforts and financial investment. In addition, the current Afghan government is perceived by Islamabad to be pro-Indian. While Indian activities largely benefit the Afghan people, increasing Indian influence in Afghanistan is likely to exacerbate regional tensions and encourage Pakistani countermeasures in Afghanistan or India.’’

Dubbed the “McChrystal Unclear’’ report, the observation has left Indian officials scratching their heads. So what exactly does the remark imply? That India should scale down its influence in Afghanistan, even though its activities “largely benefit the Afghan people”? That the Obama administration needs to ask New Delhi to dilute its presence in Afghanistan in order not to “exacerbate regional tensions and encourage Pakistani countermeasures in Afghanistan or India’’ a thinly-disguised euphemism for Pakistani terrorism?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/n...ow/5044691.cms

The great American way of life ! See the duplicity here ? Somehow India making Aghani's life better is a roadblock for US dreams !!!

[csczero]

Another american propaganda

[Stuge]

heard this news on TV .I guess nobody cares about what US says .They have spend so much money fighting taliban ,still they haven't done much building that nation .

[p_dude]

Originally Posted by Stuge

heard this news on TV .I guess nobody cares about what US says .They have spend so much money fighting taliban ,still they haven't done much building that nation .

it is not meant to be

[Stuge]

Originally Posted by p_dude

it is not meant to be

I know they wanna Shoo away India by saying pak may retaliate

[nix]

well, we need to help ourselves before trying to help others. first, we need to set our house in order.

second, The report never used the term "indian clout" or "impact stability". it only says that pakistan may not like indian involvement in afghanistan. the report never says india is a "roadblock for US dreams". the only dream that the US has is to see a stable, non-extremist afghanistan. If they were so selfish as some of you are making it out, they would have pulled out long time back, leaving afghans to their fate. Instead, they are training afghanistan's police and army and helping afghans start over. they are on a noble mission in afghanistan.

there is no need to scratch heads over this article. it is not hard to understand that pakistan does not like indian involvement in afghanistan.

remember, al qaeda is a threat to india too. so , the whole world will benefit from the US operation in afghanistan. blind hatred of america is not right. America is one of the most transparent societies in the world. the article heading and contents are phrased in such a way as to invoke hatred of USA. This article is a typical example of sensationalist indian media.

[Faun]

^^sorry nix but I dont buy your reasoning.

In your sense India must put all defense expenditure to reducing hunger and must stop current MMRCA deal. Must stop everything and let others encircle India from every side.

India do have strategic interests and yes Afghanistan is a part of it. Good relationship with Afghanistan is necessary and beside we are only helping them, its a give and take relationship. Albeit with a bit of goodwill.

You talk so high of US. But do you know that amount of collateral damage caused by US is much greater. Every now and then we see drones killing more civilians than terrorists. I mean US do not care about how many people dies in other countries, its only concern is that no casualty happen in US. Keep the Middle East burning and contain the Jehadis (which are financed by US, UK, KSA and Japan onlee).

One must be fool to think that US operations will benefit whole world. One can keep his eyes closed but even then it is quite evident that US is deliberately avoiding Pakistan - the real center of terrorism. 2/3 terrorists have Paki links. Instead it is feeding them.

[Faun]

^^sorry nix but I dont buy your reasoning.

In your sense India must put all defense expenditure to reducing hunger and must stop current MMRCA deal. Must stop everything and let others encircle India from every side.

India do have strategic interests and yes Afghanistan is a part of it. Good relationship with Afghanistan is necessary and beside we are only helping them, its a give and take relationship. Albeit with a bit of goodwill.

You talk so high of US. But do you know that amount of collateral damage caused by US is much greater. Every now and then we see drones killing more civilians than terrorists. I mean US do not care about how many people dies in other countries, its only concern is that no casualty happen in US. Keep the Middle East burning and contain the Jehadis (which are financed by US, UK, KSA and Japan onlee).

One must be fool to think that US operations will benefit whole world. One can keep his eyes closed but even then it is quite evident that US is deliberately avoiding Pakistan - the real center of terrorism. 2/3 terrorists have Paki links. Instead it is feeding them.

[INS-ANI]

The Gen is not paid to flood media with his personal thoughts. Its Official US stand now.
Probably porkis are afraid of being the core of sandwich.

[nix]

@Kanjar

Why go as far as afghanistan to secure strategic interests? I cannot think of any real benefit that we could get from that country. Instead, I think we should secure strategic interests closer home where we are losing out to china.

Those drone attacks you mentioned are taking out terrorists within pakistan. I think that is good for the US and india as well. There is no credible information available that says civilians, not terrorists, were killed from those drone attacks. Also, some amount of collateral damage is sometimes inevitable when you have terrorists hiding between civilians. That is regrettable. But again, there would be no need of drone attacks had the pakistani government really reined in on them.

If the US govt isolated pakistan and treat it like Iran, the consequences would be dangerous for all of us. Without US funding, the pakistani govt may collapse and extremists may take over the country. China may also try to get involved.

[tekdude]

What kanjar says seems to be correct.

[Faun]

Originally Posted by nix

Why go as far as afghanistan to secure strategic interests?

Afghanistan is not that far and perfect to contain Pakistan and prevent the funding and training of Afghani Taliban by Paki army. Thereby reducing international terrorism too. Thats why Pakis want India out of Afghanistan.

India has gone to Tajikistan, Mongolia and Nigeria for goodwill only.

Originally Posted by nix

There is no credible information available that says civilians, not terrorists, were killed from those drone attacks.

There is plenty of credible information. Taliban is still alive and kicking. The only Talibs getting killed are by chance or those who are revolting against their Paki masters. Afghani taliban (just like JeM, LeT) is a Paki asset and it wont go down soon without amputating Paki army.

Originally Posted by nix

If the US govt isolated pakistan and treat it like Iran, the consequences would be dangerous for all of us. Without US funding, the pakistani govt may collapse and extremists may take over the country. China may also try to get involved.

I am not talking about treating Pakistan as Iran but stopping funding them and giving them latest weapons as freebies of which 80% are not meant to be used against Taliban.Mushy himself ratified that the funding was and is being used to counter India.

There is no government in Pakistan but Paki Army. Count the number of Amry dictators in Pakistan and you will know.

What do you mean by extremists ? Does A Q Khan qualifies as an extremist for nuclear proliferation right under US nose ? Is Paki Army considered as extremist because it is a breeding center for jihadis ?

China is already involved in the game (just like Nixon had ties with China, the now Ombaba is considering Chinese help too but somehow India's presence in Afghanistan is not welcomed). The bomb exploded in Chagai hills contained plutonium and not uranium as stolen by photchor Khan. A Q Khan confirmed that Chinese gave them enough weapons. mijjiles and nuclear material to become equal equal to India.