Naked, bound and shot: how ‘Tamil rebel’ was killed by Sri Lankan soldier

[solomon_paulraj]

Execution video: is this evidence of 'war crimes' in Sri Lanka?

Channel 4 News shows footage claimed to show Sri Lankan forces executing Tamils earlier this year. Jonathan Miller reports.

Just three months after the Sri Lankan government declared the country liberated from the Tamil Tigers, video footage has emerged apparently showing government troops summarily executing Tamils.

more here..http://www.channel4.com/news/article...0lanka/3321087

[sujoyp]

War crime is bad but nobody wants to spare a chance...

Both Ltte and army have killed families of the other....who will have the sympathy

[vaithy]

Originally Posted by sujoyp

War crime is bad but nobody wants to spare a chance...

Both Ltte and army have killed families of the other....who will have the sympathy

It is not about the sympathy.. it is about law of the land.. If the convicts are punished as per law there is no outrage.. but the problems is the army behaved like a rebel.. then where is the difference between them..

actually they are not LTTE cadres but youngmen from vanni region.. the LTTE fled before the army approach Kilinochi.. it is in the fit anger the civilians were executed
there are three lakhs innocent peoples who has no link with LTTE are at presently held at worst NAZI styled camps and kept tortured..Young peoples both men and women taken out camp and never returned
Your reply clearly expose the mindset of the ruling family.. Please treat the persons not one of the 'Tamil Savage" consider them as some human...their ancestors leave India thousands year ago to restore the honour.. they have no other protection except India...Presently Tamil Nadu is Only peaceful State
in India.. Because of LTTE, why punish rest of Tamil population..

[Faun]

^^true

Most of these people were given perish or join choice by LTTE. Those who remained against the LTTE were silenced by LTTE at the hilt of bayonets.

SL army should have tried to clear the chaff instead of killing them brutally treating them all alike. What is the difference b/w LTTE and SL army then ? Extra judicial killings only breed contempt and scorn.

[vista__n00b]

Originally Posted by vaithy

...actually they are not LTTE cadres but youngmen from vanni region.. the LTTE fled before the army approach Kilinochi.. it is in the fit anger the civilians were executed...

...

...three lakhs innocent peoples who has no link with LTTE are at presently held at worst NAZI styled camps and kept tortured..Young peoples both men and women taken out camp and never returned...

What the...?
You are talking as if you were right there when the execution was taking place and as though you are sitting in those "NAZI styled camps"right this moment while writing this post. You are writing the post in such a matter-of-fact tone as though you know everything and have very easy access to each & every internal detail.

How do you know that the the video is not a LTTE (or whatever is left of them) propaganda? How do you know that the people killing in the video are not LTTE people while the man dying is a Srilankan Army Soldier or may be a civilian? Get real my dear friend...this is war...you can't tell one from the other. Gone are the biblical times when different armies used to wear different flags. Maligning your opponent in International Fraternity so that economical and other sanctions are imposed on the country is new kind of war. Whether you like that or not but the video could very well be NOT what you think it is. Just open your mind a bit.

[vaithy]

The video was authenticated by both Tamil and Singalese media persons.. third rated stuff may pass in Indian media.. but not in the International forum..
if the International media are maligned the singlaese ,why the Singalese are afraid to open the camp for media...perhaps they afraid about western power In such case why not open the camp for inspection to Indian journalists..leaked photos revealed they are living in 'hell just open the camp..
India is a Soverign country because by its Consititution.acts, Government,Democracy, because its multifaceted regions,religions can live together peacefully...
You say it is a war!!
What is war? A war is made by the different countries.. not by the group... A Government don't wage a war on its own citizen...I am over 50... Even from my childhood I know the srilanka problems.. 1505: The Portuguese arrive in Ceylon
1519: Tamil King Sangili alias Cankili I comes to the throne of Jaffna
1543: Cankili I orders 600 Christians in Mannar to be killed for forced conversion of Hindus
mid-16th century: The Vanniyar chieftains of Mullaitivu and Trincomalee allly with the Portuguese against Cankili and his attempts to subdue them.
1560: The Portuguese narrowly defeat Cankili in a battle to avenge the 'massacre of Mannar' and demand concession. They retain Mannar and put puppet king Edirmanasingham on the throne.
1564-65: Indian sources report a battle between the Nayak of Madurai and his Poligar army (on the order of the ruler of Vijayanagara) and the king of Kandy near Puttalam, in which the latter was defeated and killed.
1591: Cankili II (Cankilikumaran) declared governor of Jaffna by the Portuguese on condition that he has no contact with the Karaiyar generals.
1619/20: Cankili II allies with the Karaiyar general Mikkappillai (Migapulle) from Mannar; defeated after prolonged fighting with the Portuguese.
1620-24: Karaiyar generals continue the resistance against the Portuguese with the help of the Nayak of Tanjavur. After the final defeat the Karaiyar plunge themselves into their own swords.
1623: Cankilikumaran executed in Goa. The Portuguese destroy all big temples in Jaffna and Trincomalee.
1658: The Dutch take the Maritime Provinces including Jaffna from the Portuguese. They misunderstand the Kutimai and Atimai system and treat them as slaves, thus changing the economic and social structure of Jaffna.
1766: The Dutch force the King of Kandy to hand Batticaloa over to them in a treaty and cut off Kandy's access to the sea.
1795/96: The British take Ceylon from the Dutch. But the Tamils fought *****ed battle with them finally subdued,since Singales sided with British.
British made Tamils as slave to work in the hills tea plantation,but met stiff resitance from them finally brought tamils from Madras presidency to work their planatation... So With thousands of Tamils worked as slaves in tea planatation, the Bristish empire was prospered with tea trade
As a final reward the British who treated the Indian Plantation Tamils as slaves(Shastri-Srimavo pact covered their flight only some extended)
left the srilanka with all the powers vested with Singalese only..
So nothing changed in Sri lanka.. British Slavemaster replaced by Singalese slave masters.. Military, Police,court everywhere only singalese.. so it is not unusual that a tamil thief awarded a life sentence.. and a Singalese rapiest got few dollar fines...
Inequality brought discontent.. that is the root of the case.. at the start when Selvanayagam was the leading the Tamils he was interested only for the equality.. In 1957, the Eelam Gandhi, Selvanayakam, had a pact with Bandaranaike to meet
some of the aspirations of the Tamils. But the Buddhist clergy opposed the
pact. In ’65 Selvanayakam entered into an agreement with then President
Senanayake. J Jayawardane went on a padayatra opposing this agreement — and
the Sinhalas unilaterally abrogated it.
It was only after every peaceful affortunity lost with the singalese opposite the share of power with the Tamils, On May 14, 1976, under the chairmanship of Selvanayakam, the Tamils
unanimously resolved at Vaddukottai that co-existence with the Sinhalas was
impossible. They decided on a separate state of Eelam — and for a life of
dignity and honour.

The armed struggle began a year earlier in 1975. The Liberation Tigers of
Tamil Eelam (LTTE) was founded on May 5, 1975. Indira Gandhi and Tamil Nadu Cief Minister M.G.R helped set up training camps in India. When Indira Gandhi was assassinated, there was a black flag in every Tamil home in the
North and East. In fact, Sinhala forces opened fire that day asking the
Tamils: “Will your amma come and save you now?”

When Rajiv's IPKF entered the Srilanka to probate the peace deal, every Tamil in Srilanka has some hope.. But LTTE has taken some skirmishes with IPKF which blown to full scale war.. the singalese enjoyed the show.. Once the singalese P.M remarked his troops.' let the Indians and Tamils kill each other'
Thousands of Indian soldiers sacrified for another country's political cause but returned with humiliation... Not a single thanks was offerred to them by the President..For a friendship sake India give everything the colombo regime wanted.. arms, training,logistics support and just concluded war.. But not a single thank was offered to India..But they celebrate with their Chinese friends ..China today is simply building their naval base just 48 k.m from Indian maritime boundaries.. this is the reallity now...
Dear friend can I ask you as a fellow human..(for somebody as a Tamil I may not be a human atall)
Just watch the video
If You are a Tamil watch the victims as one of you..just few more times
If You are a Malayalee watch the victims as one of you..just few more times
If You are a Kannadika watch the victims as one of you..just few more times
If You are a Maratthi watch the victims as one of you..just few more times
If You are a Gujarathi watch the victims as one of you..just few more times
If You are a Punjabi watch the victims as one of you..just few more times
If You are a Indian watch the victims as one of you..just few more times
I have already watched it.. and downloaded it..
Thank you for asking me to be a openmind!!
The pain is because I am open mind..Knowledge is double edged weapons..some time it may kill the man who possess it.. this is just one of the time...

[vista__n00b]

Originally Posted by vaithy

The video was authenticated by both Tamil and Singalese media persons.. third rated stuff may pass in Indian media.. but not in the International forum..

Source? Can you post your source where International Forum has accepted the video as authentic? Even the news agency that is posting the video is claiming that they are not sure about the authenticity of the video...you on the other hand are damn sure about this "First Rated" stuff

You say it is a war!!
What is war? A war is made by the different countries.. not by the group... A Government don't wage a war on its own citizen...

Why? Have you never heard of Civil Wars? This is Civil War. What else do you think it is? Sri Lankan government was not waging the war; rather it was just fighting the Civil War against goons who wanted to break the country into pieces.

I am over 50... Even from my childhood I know the srilanka problems..

If you want to gain respect and credibility by dropping your age into the discussion then you won't succeed but I am surprised to note you mentioning "srilanka problems" rather than "Tamil Problems" because the propaganda that follows in your post just shows as though all the problems in this world are with Tamils. That is it...zip...period!!!

1505 - 1795/96
straight copy paste from here
http://www.tamilcanadian.com/page.php?cat=180&id=888

Followed by lots of propaganda stuff.

I don't think I need to answer to that.

It was only after every peaceful affortunity lost with the singalese opposite the share of power with the Tamils, On May 14, 1976, under the chairmanship of Selvanayakam, the Tamils unanimously resolved at Vaddukottai that co-existence with the Sinhalas was impossible. They decided on a separate state of Eelam — and for a life of dignity and honour.

You know that is the exact same reason given by almost all of the terrorist groups?
Punjab Terrorism: Khalistanis can't live with Indians
Kashmir Terrorism: Kashmiri Muslims can't live with Indians
Bodoland Terrorism: Bodo Ethnic people can't live with Indians
Nagalnd Terrorism: Naga people can't live with Indians
Mizoram Terrorism: Mizo ethnic people can't live with Indians
Manipur Terrorism: Manipur tribal people can't live with Indians
Naxals/PWG/ULFA/Maoists can't live with Indians.

They all give same excuses for their terrorism as well. "It is not terrorism...it is Freedom Struggle". What should India do? Not wage war on these so-called citizens and let all of these "Freedom Fighters" make their own countries? Now, wouldn't that be an amazing solution?

Thank you for asking me to be a openmind!!
The pain is because I am open mind..Knowledge is double edged weapons..some time it may kill the man who possess it.. this is just one of the time...

That is why Eelams bought tons of Kalashnikovs, Tanks and even Air Planes? So it doesn't kill them?

IMHO stop the propaganda. Every country has problems but it doesn't mean that its citizens take Guns/Tanks/Air Force in their hands and kill other citizens. That is what terrorists do...and if they do that...they should be treated in ways that are apt for such people.

[vaithy]

@vista__n00b
1)Mentioning the age is not because wanted respectability... but assure you that I have lived the period when the problem arised...
2)Thanks for mentioning the 1976 decision of 'Eelam' but you didn't comment about the peaceful struggle that 'selva' waged to regain honour and co-existance with singalese, and abrogation of earlier agreement with Pandaranayaki and Senanayake..Had the agreements implemented ,then that time the decision of Eelam does not arise..
2)The very fact equated the 'punjab,kashmirproblems with Eelam ' has exposed how immature your argument is...India is a true Democratic Republic country..which has the longest written Constitution..(Don't argue it'as a Indian
propaganda) but where as Srilanka 's Unitary..does't give equal rights..)
We Indian take the pride as 'Unity in diversity'
But Srilanka is only for Singalese Majority

You mentioned Kashmir and punjab..actually sympatehsied with your inability to grab the reasons because you are out of that time ZONE Where I was watched that event.. that is the reason for mentioning the age..
Kashmir was never the Internal Problem after the Nehru- Sheik Abdullah accord, only Pakistan was pissed the matter as annual routine its Islamic forum and occassionally with its USA Friends..After Sheikh his Son Farooq Abdullah has tiff with Indira Gandhi which led to his downfall with Indira Gandhi probe G.M Shah the brother-in law by dividing the National Conference..Thus the poilitical meddling in the state led to pak based groups activated...rest is History same in Punjab.. to spit on Akali leadership Indira Gandhi created 'Bhindranwale' and congress support him.. Then he turn in to monster..so in India the problems is not with our Constitution but actual meddling of politician led to fall of stable GOVT in that states led to anarchy..
Srilankans Tamils wanted the same Indian Constitution for Srilanka.. Even some leaders proposed a Federal setup with india.. Had this accepted at that time much of bloodshed wasted now can be avoided..
So instead of eradicting the root cause you couldn't solve the problems... when singalese actually allow Tamils enjoy the equal staus, amended the constitution, make it multi-polar secular state, Gun culture will vanish there...
Otherwise, instead of held in camps, the three lahk Tamils , should be shoot and killed so this is the last wish for them..
The youngmen has the quick and painless excution..They are the fortunate.. but the camp people didn't..believe me they are not my imagination.. they are real,,,
Thanks for your comments

[Nishant]

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

Source? Can you post your source where International Forum has accepted the video as authentic? Even the news agency that is posting the video is claiming that they are not sure about the authenticity of the video...you on the other hand are damn sure about this "First Rated" stuffWhy? Have you never heard of Civil Wars? This is Civil War. What else do you think it is? Sri Lankan government was not waging the war; rather it was just fighting the Civil War against goons who wanted to break the country into pieces.If you want to gain respect and credibility by dropping your age into the discussion then you won't succeed but I am surprised to note you mentioning "srilanka problems" rather than "Tamil Problems" because the propaganda that follows in your post just shows as though all the problems in this world are with Tamils. That is it...zip...period!!!I don't think I need to answer to that.You know that is the exact same reason given by almost all of the terrorist groups?
Punjab Terrorism: Khalistanis can't live with Indians
Kashmir Terrorism: Kashmiri Muslims can't live with Indians
Bodoland Terrorism: Bodo Ethnic people can't live with Indians
Nagalnd Terrorism: Naga people can't live with Indians
Mizoram Terrorism: Mizo ethnic people can't live with Indians
Manipur Terrorism: Manipur tribal people can't live with Indians
Naxals/PWG/ULFA/Maoists can't live with Indians.

They all give same excuses for their terrorism as well. "It is not terrorism...it is Freedom Struggle". What should India do? Not wage war on these so-called citizens and let all of these "Freedom Fighters" make their own countries? Now, wouldn't that be an amazing solution?That is why Eelams bought tons of Kalashnikovs, Tanks and even Air Planes? So it doesn't kill them?

IMHO stop the propaganda. Every country has problems but it doesn't mean that its citizens take Guns/Tanks/Air Force in their hands and kill other citizens. That is what terrorists do...and if they do that...they should be treated in ways that are apt for such people.

very nice reply brother..

i dont understand one thing...
hindus are not treated well in pakistan, bangladesh, fiji, etc..
but no one from india care. in fact this is right... why should be care of other
country's people?

I just want to ask this to tamil ppl that why they so much care about ppl of sri-lanka? be it tamil or anyone in srilanka? ..

i hear that (although i have nothing to prove it) loads of donation goes to LTTE from tamil nadu.. why? please donate to PM relief fund.. dont care about problems in other countries ... we have enough in india.

[vista__n00b]

Originally Posted by vaithy

2)The very fact equated the 'punjab,kashmirproblems with Eelam ' has exposed how immature your argument is...India is a true Democratic Republic country..which has the longest written Constitution..(Don't argue it'as a Indian propaganda) but where as Srilanka 's Unitary..does't give equal rights..)
We Indian take the pride as 'Unity in diversity' But Srilanka is only for Singalese Majority

Do you have any quotes from Sri Lankan Constitution (with proper source) to back your claims? Can you please quote the stanzas from Sri Lankan constitution saying that a tamil citizen should not be given a right of vote / speech / religion while a sinhalese has all of these? Kindly quote those stanzas and "Expose my immature argument".

You mentioned Kashmir and punjab..actually sympatehsied with your inability to grab the reasons because you are out of that time ZONE Where I was watched that event.. that is the reason for mentioning the age..

Oh same old Age, Zone, Sympathy card. Honestly...I am getting bored of it. So its better if you bring something new next time.

Kashmir was never the Internal Problem after the Nehru- Sheik Abdullah accord, only Pakistan was pissed the matter as annual routine its Islamic forum and occassionally with its USA Friends..After Sheikh his Son Farooq Abdullah has tiff with Indira Gandhi which led to his downfall with Indira Gandhi probe G.M Shah the brother-in law by dividing the National Conference..Thus the poilitical meddling in the state led to pak based groups activated...rest is History same in Punjab.. to spit on Akali leadership Indira Gandhi created 'Bhindranwale' and congress support him.. Then he turn in to monster..so in India the problems is not with our Constitution but actual meddling of politician led to fall of stable GOVT in that states led to anarchy..

All those things you said can also be said about Sri Lanka as well...just because Sri Lankan government didn't bow to some Tamil Political Goons...they started terrorising the whole country. You haven't shown any proofs as yet to authenticate your claims regarding inequality of rights in Sri Lankan "Constitution"...or do we just have to believe that what you are saying is true? Show us some quotes from Sri Lankan constitution or else stop harping on the rights point. It just doesn't hold ground. Oh and just to save you from hassle of finding good source...here is the link to official online version of Sri Lankan Constitution
http://www.priu.gov.lk/Cons/1978Cons...troduction.htm
BTW you didn't comment about other terrorist groups from India that I talked about.

...when singalese actually allow Tamils enjoy the equal staus, amended the constitution, make it multi-polar secular state, Gun culture will vanish there...

Source...source...source...

Otherwise, instead of held in camps, the three lahk Tamils , should be shoot and killed so this is the last wish for them..
The youngmen has the quick and painless excution..They are the fortunate.. but the camp people didn't..believe me they are not my imagination.. they are real,,,
Thanks for your comments

Similar propaganda is taught to terrorists of Khalistanis, LeT, JeM, SIMI, Bodos, NSCN, KYKL, MNF, Naxals, PWG, ULFA, Maoists...just to keep the hate going.

[vista__n00b]

Originally Posted by Nishant

very nice reply brother..

Sister

[Nishant]

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

Sister

sorry miss...

see the problem is i have enough sisters and no girlfriend..! so please!! i dont want another sister

[vaithy]

Originally Posted by Nishant

i dont understand one thing...
hindus are not treated well in pakistan, bangladesh, fiji, etc..
but no one from india care. in fact this is right... why should be care of other
country's people?

It is called cultural ties..
So why Islamic countries are trying to intervene in India's affairs when communal violence taken place.. So why USA is poking the nose because some minor incident against Chiristians...Nobody has told that countries that it is India's internal matter... But India never raised it voice whether it is Fiji or Srilanka when Hindus are murdered, their temples have been demolished.. For Hindus no country existed.. why Jinnah ask for Pakistan? "Hindu can have Hindustan..we have Pakistan.." What did our congress did then.. it followed psedo secularism where even speaking about'Hindu' taboo for them..Why India created the Bangaladesh?.In east Timur india supported the tiny island to be partitioned..In palestian India's support is well known..Indeed Hamas is not a Gandhian party neither Fateh...Nobody told they are other nations problems..

@vista__noob
Although it mentioned it is socialist Republic Under chapter 2 Buddhism is the only religion that accorded the protected status other are secondary...Secular nature of the constition was altered because singalese are majority..the state is not ruled by the parliament but from the 'MahaBothi' seat..there is no relevence with "Buddha dharma" among the present day singalese Buddhist.. previous Senanayke and Bandaranayake agreements were not effected because of their hatred...(O.K..O.K I am now going to hear the thousandth time.."propagandaa...)
Tamils never hate anyone...hear what one poet saying
"EveryPlace is our Native,
EveryPerson is our Relative,
Good or Bad Don't blame other..
..Greatness comewith obedient to ...." -actually I forget the rest of stanza
When the British come, they need slave labours for their tea gardens,sugar fields shipped them out...like negroes whose ancesters taken from Africa to America after a hundreds year, they admitted to the society as equal citizen... but for the Tamils no Godfather.. no Abraham Lincon...
Poet Bharathi,
" In the Sugar-cane fields--Oh in the Sugarcane fields
Hindu Mada(r)has sewed with the iron chains-
Broken with the limping joints-they are crying and praying Oh
Mata SAKTHI..couldnot you listen to them?
could not You save them from their misery?-
This poem was made before a hundred years..it is still hold good..

("yes.. Yes... You old cow.. did I ask for sonnet for the terrorists? Hey they are the terrorists and all your poets are terrorists..WHERE IS ANSWER..word by word")
OH this is for U vista__noob.. so you need not type again..
Thanks for the comments

[nix]

I'm shocked that even educated people in a certain part of india are sympathising with the LTTE. They have no right to demand any piece of land from sri lanka. The LTTE would never succeed in making a country, they didn't have a chance. They knew it.

@vista_noob: +1.

[vista__n00b]

Originally Posted by vaithy

@vista__noob
Although it mentioned it is socialist Republic Under chapter 2 Buddhism is the only religion that accorded the protected status other are secondary...Secular nature of the constition was altered because singalese are majority..

Your arguments are so ridiculous that it is not even funny anymore...
Here is what the constitution says...word by word...

9. The Republic of Sri Lanka shall give to Buddhism the foremost place and accordingly it shall be the duty of the State to protect and foster the Buddha Sasana, while assuring to all religions the rights granted by Articles 10 and 14(1)(e).

...and what are Articles 10 and 14(1)(e)?...

10. Every person is entitled to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, including the freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice.

14. (1) Every citizen is entitled to -
(e) the freedom, either by himself or in association with others, and either in public or in private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice or teaching;

No where does it say that only Buddhism will be allowed in Sri Lanka. And if a country wants to protect the religion followed by 70% or so of its population...then what is wrong with it? Its not like they are stopping anyone to follow their religion.

BTW the question was never about Buddhism vs other religions...it was always about Tamils. Or are you trying to say that none of the Tamils follow Buddhism because honestly that idea would be preposterous. I am still waiting for the stanzas from Constitution that doesn't give equal rights to Tamils but then may be your "Propaganda Gurus" never showed you those stanzas? They just told you...this is how it is and you believed them. Isn't it?

the state is not ruled by the parliament but from the 'MahaBothi' seat

ROFLMAO!!! I am not even going to answer to that. A country with established democracy and voting system is not run by its Parliament. Nice one

...Poor translation of a poem
...
More stuff from probably LTTE text
...
Another poor translation of a poem...

You are telling us that we should all support LTTE in killing Sri Lankan citizens because they had rough times. Why am I not hearing this for the first time. I would once again say...Khalistanis, LeT, JeM, SIMI, Bodos, NSCN, KYKL, MNF, Naxals, PWG, ULFA, Maoists.

("yes.. Yes... You old cow.. did I ask for sonnet for the terrorists? Hey they are the terrorists and all your poets are terrorists..WHERE IS ANSWER..word by word")
OH this is for U vista__noob.. so you need not type again..
Thanks for the comments

Even at this age you can't argue with facts huh? Did I ever say that poets are terrorists or that Tamils didn't suffer or that people around the world are not suffering? Yes they are suffering...yes the races have suffered in the past and (god forbids) might keep suffering in future as well. We can all come together and work for their betterment but if that has to come by using ammunitions and by killing innocent people...then I am not ready to support it.

[vaithy]

Originally Posted by nix

I'm shocked that even educated people in a certain part of india are sympathising with the LTTE. They have no right to demand any piece of land from sri lanka. The LTTE would never succeed in making a country, they didn't have a chance. They knew it.

@vista_noob: +1.

Can I not have the right to say the same words."I'm shocked that even educated people in a certain part of india are sympathising with the killing of the innocents civilians in the guise of terrorism"

@vista__noob.& unix..is it not possible attributing personal motives to continue the discussion..
Did I ever says that I supported LTTE? Read the whole postings again..The whole posting arise because of extra judicial killings appear in the news channel.. So every events has the two sides..
You are in the north and I am in the south...What You see from the north I may not able to see from the south.. what I see from the south you may not able to see from the North
Discussions in such forums can bridge that divide..
Since the Video was obtained by the Journalists for Demogracy in srilanka (JDS) a organisation of both Tamil and Singalese journalists NGO organisation which work for the media freedom,it led to credence to Channel4 which published broadcast it..
Naturally singalese GOVT denied it..HItler never admit that he exterminate the JEWS.. and even today some sections beleive 'Holocaust never happened..
If they are actually LTTE cadres then they could be tried them in War Tribunals.. the best course is Srilanka 's Court can probe it but it remained to be seen whether the regime allow the court probe?
My assumptions is based on the Video may be genuine where as your assumption is other wise
I'llbe happy if your assumptions is correct..because from your assumptions nobody lose lives!!
Thanks for your comments

[Nishant]

Originally Posted by vaithy

It is called cultural ties..

may be thats why i hate LTTE coz they killed my PM.

So why Islamic countries are trying to intervene in India's affairs when communal violence taken place.. So why USA is poking the nose because some minor incident against Chiristians...Nobody has told that countries that it is India's internal matter...

here is the point... its USA and not state of Alaska ppl. Similarly its India who should decide what to do.. not the state of Tamil nadu.

But India never raised it voice whether it is Fiji or Srilanka when Hindus are murdered, their temples have been demolished..

India has too many other things to worry about than these, and ofcourse india dont have the power like USA to do it... but if remember correctly.. at least india condemned when things go wrong in fiji or australia ..


now coming back to LTTE.. lets suppose sri lankan ppl treated tamils very badly.. but LTTE did the same thing to them...their suicide bombers has claimed the life of thousands of sri lankan ppl, secondly most of the world (except our tamil nadu state) has declared LTTE as a terrorist organization... and i dont think the whole world is stupid.

[solomon_paulraj]

Originally Posted by Nishant

now coming back to LTTE.. lets suppose sri lankan ppl treated tamils very badly.. but LTTE did the same thing to them...their suicide bombers has claimed the life of thousands of sri lankan ppl, secondly most of the world (except our tamil nadu state) has declared LTTE as a terrorist organization... and i dont think the whole world is stupid.

^^
Everything which has been accepted is not correct
and everything which has not been accepted in not wrong!
-----------------------------------------
Posted again:
-----------------------------------------

Originally Posted by vaithy

Can I not have the right to say the same words.
@vista__noob.& unix..is it not possible attributing personal motives to continue the discussion..

You are in the north and I am in the south...What You see from the north I may not able to see from the south.. what I see from the south you may not able to see from the North

Discussions in such forums can bridge that divide..

+1..for you sir.

[vista__n00b]

Originally Posted by vaithy

Did I ever says that I supported LTTE? Read the whole postings again..

In almost every post of yours, you are vehemently supporting the so-called "armed struggle" (read terrorism) by Tamils in Sri Lanka by telling us how badly they were treated and how they deserve to be given a separate country. AFAIK its only LTTE that is working towards realism of the horrendous idea. So how wrong are we in understanding from your posts that you support LTTE? Or are you saying that you support the whole idea (Armed struggle...Eelam) but do not support LTTE? You want a new organization?

Originally Posted by vaithy

The whole posting arise because of extra judicial killings appear in the news channel..So every events has the two sides..

The thread started because of a killing appearing on a news channel but the debate started because a few of you were NOT ready to see that it could actually have any other side to it but a Tamil being shot by oh-so-inhuman Sri Lankan soldiers. You were the adamant one not to see any other side. Its good to see a softening of stand from you and ACCEPTING that the video could actually have other facets.

Originally Posted by vaithy

Since the Video was obtained by the Journalists for Demogracy in srilanka (JDS) a organisation of both Tamil and Singalese journalists NGO organisation which work for the media freedom,it led to credence to Channel4 which published broadcast it..

...and we are back to square one! Another claim with no factual backing. All I could find about JDS on internet is this one blog
http://jdsrilanka.blogspot.com/
No where does it say that JDS is an organisation...nor does it talk about any NGOs either. All it tells about them is this

Originally Posted by JDS Blog

Journalists for Democracy in Sri Lanka (JDS) is an action group of journalists, writers, artists and human rights defenders in exile who are campaigning for democracy, human rights and media freedom in Sri Lanka.

I wonder how you know who all are involved in this group while claiming in such a matter-of-fact way about their organization structure and being NGO & stuff. Seriously my dear sir...you really should check your facts before you put them on table.
Considering the vastness & sophistication of LTTE as an organisation...this JDS could very well be a group of news manufacturers for them.

Originally Posted by vaithy

If they are actually LTTE cadres then they could be tried them in War Tribunals..

But how do we know that the person being shot is not a Sri Lankan soldier or a civilian while the one shooting them is not a LTTE terrorist? Where is the question of War Tribunals then?

Originally Posted by vaithy

the best course is Srilanka 's Court can probe it but it remained to be seen whether the regime allow the court probe?

Court probe? Didn't you in your earlier posts claim that everything in Sri Lanka was against Tamils? How are you expecting a fair court probe now? The judges doing the probe might very well be Sinhalese after all? The ones who bow before Mahabothi Seat and take orders from them. Or may be for this probe we should find (or appoint may be) some Catholic Tamil Judges who are completely against Buddhism and Sinhalese people & support the idea of Eelam to the core. Now that would be an idea...hmm...

Originally Posted by vaithy

My assumptions is based on the Video may be genuine where as your assumption is other wise I'llbe happy if your assumptions is correct..because from your assumptions nobody lose lives!!

Wow! So if I say that the person dying in the video could very well be a Sri Lankan soldier or a civilian shot by a terrorist...then it doesn't mean anything? No one loses life in that video because he is not Tamil? According to you the life of a Sri Lankan soldier or a civilian means nothing?

[vaithy]

b

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

In almost every post of yours, you are vehemently supporting the so-called "armed struggle" (read terrorism) by Tamils i

That's the point!! All along whole of the discussion, my assumption is that your hatred is only against LTTE (which I can Understand) But I never understand that actually you clubbed whole of the Tamils Race with them...
Perhaps you attended in your Logic class..
Statement 1. LTTE is a Terrorists
Statement 2 LTTE is Tamilians

Conclusion: So all Tamils are Terrorists

Now I understand why You vehemently condemned the 3 lahks Tamils to slow death inside the camps...

The Photos are from BBC news




See the above picture from the infamous IDP camp..Location Srilanka.Time current


Location Auschwitz extermination camps
jewish children behind Barbed wires time 1945

Two different time stamp..same faces same pictures.. and same result?



I was careful not to post this photos previously..,because anyone intelligent as you, if you want to see it is not to difficult too search the news portal repository..

"I strongly believe that this country belongs to the Sinhalese”
General Sarath Fonseka, Commander of the Sri Lanka Army

_ So what happened to Tamils there.. whether India accept them? or they have to jump to Sea..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...war/html/1.stm

[vista_n00b]

Originally Posted by vaithy

That's the point!! All along whole of the discussion, my assumption is that your hatred is only against LTTE (which I can Understand) But I never understand that actually you clubbed whole of the Tamils Race with them...
Perhaps you attended in your Logic class..
Statement 1. LTTE is a Terrorists
Statement 2 LTTE is Tamilians

Conclusion: So all Tamils are Terrorists

LOL!!! I thought you created stuff in your head only about Sri Lanka but looks like assuming stuff and then believing in them strongly is not a one off thing for you.
Can you show even a single post of mine saying that "ALL TAMILS ARE TERRORISTS"? Show me one post of mine and I will eat my hat. Stop imaging stuff!!!

On the other hand I did say that the people spreading terrorism in Sri Lanka belong to Tamil group or am I wrong in saying that? Did you read sets...subsets...supersets in mathematics in school? If you did, then you would understand this concept very easily. Tamils = Superset; LTTE = subset. Getting the picture?

Now I understand why You vehemently condemned the 3 lahks Tamils to slow death inside the camps...

Once again your ability to just assume things is quite entertaining! Can you show any of my posts where I support anyone's killing but terrorists? Oh and BTW just before you jump back to your assumption that I am saying all Tamils are terrorists...go back and read my superset-subset concept. It will help you understand better

The Photos are from BBC news
...
Two different time stamp..same faces same pictures.. and same result?

...and those photos belong in this thread because...? IIRC we were discussing killing of a man by some armed people and not the refugee camps of Sri Lanka. Or according to you the sole motive of this thread was to develop sympathy for Tamils and hatred for Sri Lanka as a country? Is that why you've been copy pasting stuff from LTTE propaganda texts?

Still I would like to comment about the photos you posted. No country has a magic wand that can solve the problems of its citizens in a day or two. Sri Lanka is in a phase of re-development after facing many gruesome years of horrendous terrorist activities by LTTE. It will take time to improve the situation of its citizens and redevelop the whole infrastructure that LTTE destroyed. It will take time, money & strength to do this and I pray to god that he gives them the strength to do it.

"I strongly believe that this country belongs to the Sinhalese”
General Sarath Fonseka, Commander of the Sri Lanka Army

For your kind information this is his exact quote that was published last year.

“strongly believed that Sri Lanka belongs to the Sinhalese, but there are minority communities and we treat them like our people”, and of the other communities “They can live in this country with us. But they must not try to, under the pretext of being a minority, demand undue things.”

What is wrong with it? He was asking LTTE (considering that they were actually in minority) to live with them in harmony and not demand a separate country. What is wrong with it? Oh wait...I guess you must've read only the half quote...after all you've been reading the "First Grade" LTTE texts since last 50 years while I read the "Third Grade Stuff". It might have got omitted in your readings.

_ So what happened to Tamils there.. whether India accept them? or they have to jump to Sea..

What? Where does India come in between? Why does India have to accept them? They are Sri Lankan citizens...their country has to take care of them. India has enough of its problems. Let me list a few of them for you.

1) Terrorism...Drought...floods...famine like situation...suicide of farmers...child malnutrition...maternal malnutrition...plethora of diseases

2) Do you realise that according to CIA World Factbook 2008 data, India is rated 143 on basis of Infant Mortality Rate. That is worse than even countries like Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Namibia and Botswana.

3) In the year 2007...UN had called Maternal Mortality Rate in India as SHOCKING. India accounts for 20% of the world's maternal deaths and a woman dies every five minutes here.

4) India is ranked 66th out of 68 studied in Global Hunger Index. It is worse than our neighboring countries like Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

5) According to 2008 UN estimates, 2.1 million Indian children die before reaching the age of 5 every year – four every minute - mostly from preventable illnesses such as diarrhoea, typhoid, malaria, measles and pneumonia. Every day, 1,000 Indian children die because of diarrhoea alone.

6) India accounts for 30% of global burden of Tuberculosis and 50% of Leprosy. 900 people die EVERY DAY from Tuberculosis in India.

7) India has maximum number of HIV infected patients in world. More than even South Africa.

8 )India accounted for more than 10 million Malaria cases last year (10,649,554 to be exact). Only better than countries like Nigeria, Congo and Ethiopia.

These things are India's priorities. Indian citizens are what Indian government should be looking after. These are the problems we need to care about immediately. Clearly you have no time to read about all those things as they are related to India. You just want to see the sufferings of Tamils.

BTW as you love to see pictures here are a few of them that you could not have found while being "the zone" about Sri Lanka and Tamils. Oh...and all of them are Indian Citizens.

[vaithy]

Hey!! at Vista__n00b #19 watch out your Posts count...Someone is eating your post...
@19 you have 69 post count..
but @21.. you are having only 2 posts!! (don't blame me for it..definately I am not the cause)

or

I am dealing with your dummy.. or the Ghost???

[vista__n00b]

Originally Posted by vaithy

Hey!! at Vista__n00b #19 watch out your Posts count...Someone is eating your post...
@19 you have 69 post count..
but @21.. you are having only 2 posts!! (don't blame me for it..definately I am not the cause)

or

I am dealing with your dummy.. or the Ghost???

LOL!!! Look at you all excited and jumping around. That is nothing. I had accidentally made two accounts in 2007 & got logged in the other one by mistake last night. What has this got to do anything with the topic?

[solomon_paulraj]

Originally Posted by vista_n00b

They are Sri Lankan citizens...their country has to take care of them.

vista_n00b or vista__n00b...
the question here is;
are they (the so called LTTE who are the subset of Tamils who in turn are the supersets of LTTE as per your point of view) considered as Sri Lankan citizens..
if so then why would a army of the particular country kill a citizen of their country?

Originally Posted by vista_n00b

What? Where does India come in between? Why does India have to accept them?

why would not India accept them? we have accepted citizens of Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan then why not from Sri Lanka..

People from other countries settling in India have not at all been a burden to us in fact they have contributed more towards increasing our Nations income...

Originally Posted by vista_n00b

India has enough of its problems. Let me list a few of them for you.

and the problems which India is having is not entirely of natural causes, it is mostly because of the so called representatives of the people which you and i elect.. (and you don't need a list of problems which they cause to us)

[vista__n00b]

Originally Posted by solomon_paulraj

vista_n00b or vista__n00b...
the question here is;
are they (the so called LTTE who are the subset of Tamils who in turn are the supersets of LTTE as per your point of view) considered as Sri Lankan citizens..
if so then why would a army of the particular country kill a citizen of their country?

Did you read the whole thread or did you just read that part of my so many posts? If you didn't read the whole thread then I would recommend you to do so before taking part in the discussion. I am in no mood of repeating what I have already talked about. OTOH If you actually did read the whole thread then let me bring your attention back to Civil War...Khalistanis, LeT, JeM, SIMI, Bodos, NSCN, KYKL, MNF, Naxals, PWG, ULFA, Maoists...
READ THE WHOLE THREAD BEFORE COMING BACK WITH ANY MORE REPLIES

Originally Posted by solomon_paulraj

why would not India accept them? we have accepted citizens of Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan then why not from Sri Lanka..

...and who says we have accepted those illegal immigrants? These are few of the links I found just by a quick googling
1) Illegal Bangladeshi immigrants threat to India: Delhi High Court
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/illegal-b...t/71035-3.html

2) Illegal migrants had no business to be in India - says Union Home Minister Chidambram
http://www.infa.in/index.php?option=...1054&Itemid=35

3) Migrant menace : Advani’s call to throw them out
http://news.indiamart.com/news-analy...dvan-2438.html

4) Bangladeshi Immigrants Stoke Terror in India
http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.ph...tent&task=view

5) Bangladesh: Assam as Gateway for Illegal Immigrants
http://www.saag.org/common/uploaded_...paper1444.html

Clearly, lots of people disagree with you.

Originally Posted by solomon_paulraj

People from other countries settling in India have not at all been a burden to us in fact they have contributed more towards increasing our Nations income...

Clearly the benefits that you see in having those immigrants can not be seen by the ruling party of India, the opposition party, the Indian Judiciary and the press of India. May be you are the only enlightened chap who sees the benefits in having immigrants from other countries.

and the problems which India is having is not entirely of natural causes, it is mostly because of the so called representatives of the people which you and i elect.. (and you don't need a list of problems which they cause to us)

...and by having more immigrants we would be able to solve those problems in an excellent way!!! Having more pressure on our already overloaded infrastructure by accommodating some other country's citizens would help us amazingly. Way to go man...what an intelligent suggestion!!!

[Nishant]

@vista_n00b..
there is not point discussing with them... they keep yelling at us to "see both sides of things" but they themself have closed the eyes to LTTE terror..
LTTE has killed our PM Rajiv gandhi..... lets suppose Rajiv was very bad and deserved to be killed... but what about the 30 odd other ppl who died in the blast?

oh i forgot... those 30 odd ppl did not had "Cultural ties" with our respected friends.. so their life is useless when compared to srilankan tamils...

Please Tamil brothers... stop supporting LTTE... just talk to any other person on earth about your views and i bet everybody will say you are brainwashed... as already explained by vista_n00b we have enough problem to think about..

[solomon_paulraj]

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

Did you read the whole thread or did you just read that part of my so many posts? If you didn't read the whole thread then I would recommend you to do so before taking part in the discussion. I am in no mood of repeating what I have already talked about. OTOH If you actually did read the whole thread then let me bring your attention back to Civil War...Khalistanis, LeT, JeM, SIMI, Bodos, NSCN, KYKL, MNF, Naxals, PWG, ULFA, Maoists...
READ THE WHOLE THREAD BEFORE COMING BACK WITH ANY MORE REPLIES...

yes i do read the whole thread.. and its too much of an PERSONAL/BORROWED opinion about issue happening among LTTE/Tamils/Singalis.

let me ask you one thing.. all the info or knowledge you have about the matters are from media / books / websites..

have you personally been there to witness those things.. and even if you did how would you justify to others about something which seems right to you and wrong to me..

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

and who says we have accepted those illegal immigrants?

Whoa... when did i say illegal immigrants.. so you think (and some people like you) that Tamils of Sri Lanka to be illegal immigrants.. you know your recent history well so i need not explain that..

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

Clearly, lots of people disagree with you.Clearly the benefits that you see in having those immigrants can not be seen by the ruling party of India, the opposition party, the Indian Judiciary and the press of India.

i don't care of the so called PEOPLE who disagree with me for the sake inhumane treatment of innocent people.. remember this thread is not about the Sri Lankan issue... it is about a innocent person losing his life for something which is considered non ethical and unreasonable...

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

May be you are the only enlightened chap who sees the benefits in having immigrants from other countries....and by having more immigrants we would be able to solve those problems in an excellent way!!! Having more pressure on our already overloaded infrastructure by accommodating some other country's citizens would help us amazingly.

open your mind yaar... why do you always google for negative factors.. yeah... i understand that even if you Google for positive factors about immigrants (NOT ILLEGAL) you wont find many; because the benefits, business and other opportunities created by those immigrants are many and are never exposed by closed minded people like you... (my advice do not always google for things.. go visit a immigrant camp and you will come to know about the facts)

and yes I'm enlightened about the idea of living as a human being and not like animals.. (humans share and animals dont)

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

Way to go man...what an intelligent suggestion!!!

we humans are still following the Darwin's survival of the fittest concept.. and do not dare to think of living as one world... So my so called intelligent suggestion is something which I'm thinking ahead of time for a UNITED WORLD..

may be i don't have knowledge about the current events because i don't like to go through long articles which is also written / re-written / copied by some person who thinks as a normal human...

remember, in history every civilization fought with others so that they could live in harmony.. but till today humans are following the same; they destroy their fellow humans so what they consider to THEIRS live in harmony...

Originally Posted by Nishant

@vista_n00b..
there is not point discussing with them...

Originally Posted by Nishant

Please Tamil brothers... stop supporting LTTE...

did in any of my post support LTTE.. it is just the way in which you look at things...

Originally Posted by Nishant

just talk to any other person on earth about your views and i bet everybody will say you are brainwashed... as already explained by vista_n00b we have enough problem to think about..

Every person with proper ideology will accept the truth... not the views...
The problem with us (Indian) people is.. we always THINK about the problems and do not arrive at the solutions to the problems.. (Ex. is unemployment problem solved starting from the first five year plan)
let me ask you one straight question if your friend in assaulted by gundas.. what would you do? make a documentary of it to show it to others so that they can think of the situation and extend your helping hand for your friend..

think my friend..

[vista__n00b]

Originally Posted by solomon_paulraj

yes i do read the whole thread.. and its too much of an PERSONAL/BORROWED opinion about issue happening among LTTE/Tamils/Singalis.

Isn't that the only thing we are doing here? Presenting our personal opinions and discussing about the others?

have you personally been there to witness those things.. and even if you did how would you justify to others about something which seems right to you and wrong to me..

The thing that seems wrong to me is the killing of innocent citizens of Sri Lanka by terrorists. If that seems right to you then I do not need to justify anything.

Whoa... when did i say illegal immigrants.. so you think (and some people like you) that Tamils of Sri Lanka to be illegal immigrants.. you know your recent history well so i need not explain that..

I think of any country's citizen coming to my country without a proper Visa or not following his/her visa terms is an illegal immigrant. Its not about Tamils of Sri Lanka, Bengali Muslims of Bangladesh, Afghanis from Afghanistan, Pakistanis from Pakistan or Nepalis from Nepal. They are all illegal immigrants...no two questions about it...

i don't care of the so called PEOPLE who disagree with me for the sake inhumane treatment of innocent people..

...but in last post you yourself cared about how Indian people felt about citizens of other countries by saying we have accepted them. At that time you did care about other people's opinions. In just one post you don't care about the so called PEOPLE? You mean if they agree with you...you care...but if they disagree with you...you don't care?

remember this thread is not about the Sri Lankan issue... it is about a innocent person losing his life for something which is considered non ethical and unreasonable...

only if you would have let this thread remain about "a person" losing his life (innocent or not is not yet established).

open your mind yaar... why do you always google for negative factors.. yeah... i understand that even if you Google for positive factors about immigrants (NOT ILLEGAL) you wont find many; because the benefits, business and other opportunities created by those immigrants are many and are never exposed by closed minded people like you... (my advice do not always google for things.. go visit a immigrant camp and you will come to know about the facts)

LOL!!! So you are telling me that Indian Judiciray System, Union Home Minister of India, Leader of the opposition party of India and major press personalities are all CLOSED MINDED people (like me ofcourse) while you are the only "OPEN MINDED" person?

and yes I'm enlightened about the idea of living as a human being and not like animals.. (humans share and animals dont)

Oh please...that is such a lame comment that it can't walk even on crutches. I mean seriously...are you saying that you would like to SHARE WITH OTHER HUMANS? Well then let me ask you to first share what you have with people of India. Go and bring every Homeless/Poor/Unsupported person present in your city and keep them in your home...feed them...provide them medical treatment at your cost. Let me see how much of a human are you then. Or does your humanity raises its head only when its about Tamils?

If you plan to suggest that we need to support Sri Lankan Tamils because of humanity then I would suggest that we first help those 1000 INDIAN children who will be dying today of diarrhoea. Help those 2.1 million below 5 year Indian children who will dying this year. Help the children who are dying in Madhya Pradesh of hunger (Do you know Hunger Index of Madhya Pradesh is worst in the whole world...equal to Ethiopia?) They are the ones who need us more because they are our own countrymen and have much more right over the infrastructure of this country. They have much more right over the hard earned money that I pay as taxes. Or according to you they are not as humans as Sri Lankan Tamils?

If I live in a home and earn something then I will first give it to my parents...my brothers & sisters. If I am hungry and suffering with various diseases...unable to meet their demands...then I won't be thinking about the homeless sitting on the corner of the street...I would be thinking about myself and how to feed my own people. India is our home and Indian people are our brother & sisters. Think about them...that is more "HUMAN".

we humans are still following the Darwin's survival of the fittest concept.. and do not dare to think of living as one world... So my so called intelligent suggestion is something which I'm thinking ahead of time for a UNITED WORLD..

United World?!?!?! Such an easy phrase to type huh? How many keys did you press? 12 key presses on your keyboard and you become a saint? Let me see a united city or a united neighbourhood first. As I said above...go and bring homeless people of your city to your home...click a few pictures and then we will talk about your "thinking ahead of time" stuff. These typing on your keyboards while sittings in a comfortable room is very easy but that is not the real life.

let me ask you one straight question if your friend in assaulted by gundas.. what would you do? make a documentary of it to show it to others so that they can think of the situation and extend your helping hand for your friend..

think my friend..

If I have one iron rod in my hand...and both my brother as well as my neighbour are being assaulted by gundas then I will first hit the gunda assaulting my brother and then the one who is assaulting my neighbour. Not the other way around.

[Nishant]

did in any of my post support LTTE.. it is just the way in which you look at things...

yup.. u did not said.. .. my fault... sorry..
so can i ask you a question? What do you think about LTTE?

[solomon_paulraj]

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

Isn't that the only thing we are doing here? Presenting our personal opinions and discussing about the others?
The thing that seems wrong to me is the killing of innocent citizens of Sri Lanka by terrorists. If that seems right to you then I do not need to justify anything.I think of any country's citizen coming to my country without a proper Visa or not following his/her visa terms is an illegal immigrant.

thats the point i wanted.. you have opinions just like your close minded friends.. im not taking side on LTTE / Tamils / Singalese.. like you do. and i would rather term those persons as REFUGEES rather than illegal immigrants.

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

but in last post you yourself cared about how Indian people felt about citizens of other countries by saying we have accepted them. At that time you did care about other people's opinions. In just one post you don't care about the so called PEOPLE? You mean if they agree with you...you care...but if they disagree with you...you don't care?only if you would have let this thread remain about "a person" losing his life (innocent or not is not yet established).

you did not read my post properly it seems. Indian accepts only legal immigrants and refugees, and i never termed them as illegal immigrants as you did.

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

LOL!!! So you are telling me that Indian Judiciray System, Union Home Minister of India, Leader of the opposition party of India and major press personalities are all CLOSED MINDED people (like me ofcourse) while you are the only "OPEN MINDED" person?Oh please...that is such a lame comment that it can't walk even on crutches.

Where does the Judiciary system, Union Home Minister, etc etc come into scene? and why do you compare them with you..

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

Well then let me ask you to first share what you have with people of India. Go and bring every Homeless/Poor/Unsupported person present in your city and keep them in your home...feed them...provide them medical treatment at your cost. Let me see how much of a human are you then. Or does your humanity raises its head only when its about Tamils?

i was expecting this from you.. to make the point clear i pay service tax, sales tax, land tax etc etc; and my part of tax goes towards many schemes for instance like SSA.. when it comes to supporting poor/homeless it does not mean that i should take everybody into my home.. i pay towards the govt. so that they could take care of these problems. and to my opinion there is enough tax collected to meet and solve such problems. but where and how is the money being used is the question?

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

we first help those 1000 INDIAN children who will be dying today of diarrhoea............

^^ ahh.. statistics once again.. (thanks search engines) what are my tax money doing.. does is it all comes under the accounting terms as NPA?

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

If I live in a home and earn something then I will first give it to my parents...my brothers & sisters. If I am hungry and suffering with various diseases...unable to meet their demands...then I won't be thinking about the homeless sitting on the corner of the street...I would be thinking about myself and how to feed my own people. India is our home and Indian people are our brother & sisters. Think about them...that is more "HUMAN".

then why don't people with lots and lots of money start doing these humanitarian efforts.. i think there are more richest persons in India in the worlds top 100 richest persons list.. now can you open your mind...
our country has more than enough resources to meet its demand. the thing is, we don't care about the resources being wasted or resources being under utilised.

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

United World?!?!?! Such an easy phrase to type huh? How many keys did you press? 12 key presses on your keyboard and you become a saint? Let me see a united city or a united neighbourhood first. As I said above...go and bring homeless people of your city to your home...click a few pictures and then we will talk about your "thinking ahead of time" stuff. These typing on your keyboards while sittings in a comfortable room is very easy but that is not the real life.

haven't you heard the phrase "pen is mightier than the sword" what i have typed using 12 key presses will make 12 persons to think positive, and other 12 persons (like you) to think negative.. which will also benefit the positive thinkers about those negative points.. and about my thinking ahead of time can be proved if you visit this place... http://cuckoo.blog.co.in/

Originally Posted by vista__n00b

If I have one iron rod in my hand...and both my brother as well as my neighbour are being assaulted by gundas then I will first hit the gunda assaulting my brother and then the one who is assaulting my neighbour. Not the other way around.

thats what makes a closed minded person, if i was in the same situation, i would join hands with my brother and hit those gundas who are assaulting my NEIGHBOUR.

Originally Posted by Nishant

yup.. u did not said.. .. my fault... sorry..
so can i ask you a question? What do you think about LTTE?

i know that LTTE means Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam.. and i dont think or care about them.. i just think about those innocent persons who lose their life everyday, it may be someones brother, sister, father, mother, wife, child, aunt, uncle.
does a human have the right to take life of another human? let what the situation may be? after all human have the ability to think and do things, right. was our Indian freedom got in this way, what was the father of our nation believed in, should not we the children follow what our father did?