shoe thrown toward chinese premier in UK-detailed article

[nix]

source:associated press,
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...WvMOQD964B29G0

i must say, this guy is very brave. thank god he didnt do that in china.

both indians and americans have something to learn from this incident-nothing can beat the patriotism of the chinese. whether their govt is right or wrong, the people always stand behind and support the govt...no wonder its becoming no.1.

americans made fun of their own president when a shoe was thrown at him. chinese people will never do that. they have a great deal of self respect.

With unusual candor, China reports shoe throwing

By HENRY SANDERSON – 16 hours ago
BEIJING (AP) — It hesitated for hours over the sensitive footage of a protester in Britain shouting "dictator" and throwing a shoe at Premier Wen Jiabao. But finally, China's carefully controlled state broadcaster ran it Tuesday.

The move was a remarkable display of openness — but the footage already was leaking into China via satellite television and the Internet. Critics said it showed the increasing power of such media to erode strict information controls.

"It is impossible for a country to shut out a piece of news," said Shao Peiren, head of Zhejiang University's communications research institute in eastern China.

The broadcast might also help the government by appealing to Chinese patriotism. Wen is the leadership's most popular figure, and he emerged as the hero after last year's devastating earthquake, calling himself "Grandpa Wen." The nickname was embraced by some enthusiastic Chinese.


Still, incidents that could be seen as unflattering or insulting to the Chinese leadership have long been treated with the greatest sensitivity. The first Chinese reports on the protest during Wen's visit to Britain's Cambridge University left out key details, including that a shoe had been thrown.


But the China Central Television broadcast had it all. The evening news showed the footage among the first stories of its half-hour broadcast, leading into it with a report on Wen's speech itself and his return to Beijing.

Then the shoe-throwing footage was shown, with no commentary from the anchors, just a simple news setup.


The camera was fixed on Wen, but later cut to the whistle-blowing protester being removed from the hall, while the audience shouted "Get out."

"How can this university prostitute itself with this dictator here? How can you listen ... to him unchallenged?" the man — who has yet to be identified — could be heard shouting.

The sound of the shoe hitting the stage, away from Wen, could be heard as well.

Wen paused for about one minute and then continued his speech.

"Teachers and students, this kind of dirty trick cannot stop the friendship between the Chinese and the British people," Wen said, followed by applause.

The incident echoed the news conference in December in which an Iraqi reporter threw his shoes at former President George W. Bush — covered widely not only in China but around the world.

Bush joked off his shoe attack, saying "it was a size 10," but China's response was far sterner.

Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu called the disruption "despicable" but said it would not "stem the tide of friendly relations between China and Britain."

Internet chat rooms were filled with patriotic messages denouncing the protester, who did not appear to be ethnic Han Chinese.

"The uncompromising Iraqi people threw a shoe at Bush which is a brave act by a suppressed nation," said one comment on the Tiexue.net bulletin board. "But the ugly Englishman threw a shoe at Wen, which was only a barbaric trick."

In an apparent move to show national dignity had been maintained, reports by CCTV and the official Xinhua News Agency included prominent references to Britain apologizing.

The BBC reported the 27-year-old protester would appear before magistrates on Feb. 10 in Cambridge on charges of committing a public order offense.

China's online activity — with 298 million Web users — makes it increasingly tough for censors to keep sensitive news, like the shoe throwing, offline. Media watchers say that may be prompting official media to report on other news it would have suppressed before, such as riots and protests.

But the expanded coverage may also reflect a recognition by propaganda authorities that showing such events can work to the government's advantage.

Two incidents last year were given wide state media coverage: Attacks on the Olympic torch overseas before its journey to Beijing, and the devastating earthquake in Sichuan province.

The torch attacks sparked an outpouring of angry nationalism among Chinese at home and abroad. The second brought a wave of compassion and assistance for the quake victims.

[mrintech]

Ab Shoe throwing ek TREND ban jayega

[din]

I do not think it is merely patriotism. China - AFAIK - is (still) like an iron wall. People out there can either support China in each and everything or just keep quiet. They do not have much freedom on that.

[red_devil]

Originally Posted by nix

both indians and americans have something to learn from this incident-nothing can beat the patriotism of the chinese. whether their govt is right or wrong, the people always stand behind and support the govt...no wonder its becoming no.1.

AFAIK, the communist govt. in China has only one philosophy towards its citizens :

"you're either with us or against us"

so even if someone felt that something was being wrongly i dont think they have enough power to even question the govt.


Contrast this to India, where someone who leads a group that beats up people [eg:-Pramod Muthalik] and goes to jail [for various reasons] gets released on bail and yet is free to issue ultimatums to the govt. and the govt. can do nothing....


pathetic state of affairs, innit ?

[Faun]

^^But you gotta be rich to live in India Else you will be a slumdog, no one ever help you.

[dips_view]

it is an anti communist propaganda by some neo conservatives.they are the die hard enemies of expression of freedom but they want to act as a watchdog of freedom.

[JojoTheDragon]

Shoe throwing paradise! Lol! Coz there is no such law that ppl cant throw shoes at politicians. :-P

[nix]

@din:
I do not think it is merely patriotism. China - AFAIK - is (still) like an iron wall. People out there can either support China in each and everything or just keep quiet. They do not have much freedom on that.

@n300
AFAIK, the communist govt. in China has only one philosophy towards its citizens :

"you're either with us or against us"

so even if someone felt that something was being wrongly i dont think they have enough power to even question the govt.

the commie govt always acts in the interest of china, whether good or bad. in a way, its good that their ppl dont have much freedom. democracy is seen a hindrance there. they have seen their neighbours struggle with democracy. so i dont think many chinese would want it.

[red_devil]

yeah if democracy means more Pramod mutaliks who beat up women dancing in a pub then who wants one ??


.... on the contrary... wonder if the communists (of India atleast) would let women go to PUBS let alone dancing there


its more the case of "pick your poison" ....either die wanting to do something or die doing it

[NucleusKore]

We can start chappal throwing here

[alexanderthegreat]

CAUTION:Chinese people please move over to other posts. Don't read this.

Originally Posted by nix

both indians and americans have something to learn from this incident-nothing can beat the patriotism of the chinese. whether their govt is right or wrong, the people always stand behind and support the govt...no wonder its becoming no.1.

Thats because the chinese don't choose what is right. They choose what is easy. They strive to set up a good image of themselves in front of the world. Even if that means they'll have to do injustice to a kin (Anyone remember the Olympics?)

Originally Posted by nix

americans made fun of their own president when a shoe was thrown at him. chinese people will never do that. they have a great deal of self respect.

That was more due to the fact because they don't reckon that chucking shoes at somebody is equal to showing disrespect unless those shoes are rock-hard leather boots with heels (ouch).

Originally Posted by NucleusKore

We can start chappal throwing here

Yeah, let's do Mr. Lalu Prasad Yadav and Mr. Raj Thakeray first using just ONE shoe.

[NucleusKore]

Originally Posted by alexanderthegreat

Yeah, let's do Mr. Lalu Prasad Yadav and Mr. Raj Thakeray first using just ONE shoe.

I changed my mind about him after he turned around India Railways.

[confused!!]

Yes whatever Laloo is, fact is that he brought a good change in Indian Railways

[gaurav_indian]

Originally Posted by NucleusKore

We can start chappal throwing here

Relaxo chappal with cowdung on the bottom side of it?

[confused!!]

^^He He

[gaurav_indian]

^^ Dont throw it on Laloo though he is used to it.Raabri ji phenkti hai na unpe.

[Ecstasy]

Originally Posted by NucleusKore

We can start chappal throwing here

Kolhapuri chappal FTW!!

[nix]

Originally Posted by alexanderthegreat

Thats because the chinese don't choose what is right. They choose what is easy. They strive to set up a good image of themselves in front of the world. Even if that means they'll have to do injustice to a kin (Anyone remember the Olympics?)

wrong. they dont choose whats easy. they are strived hard to make their country what it is now. many indians have told me that its just like a developed coutry. with good roads et al. its not just an image, its real. regarding injustice, i feel its not possible to please everybody. there are some tough decisions you may have to take. and its OK as long as its in the interest of the country.

Originally Posted by alexanderthegreat

That was more due to the fact because they don't reckon that chucking shoes at somebody is equal to showing disrespect unless those shoes are rock-hard leather boots with heels (ouch).?)

even if they were hard boots, the american public would still laugh at their own president. they believe that bush has done nothing right. which is wrong. there may be many good things he has done but they may be still classified. who knows...
american public is not smart, they got carried away by obama's bush bashing. he won the elections just by bashing bush.

[dips_view]

yes BUSH done so many thing RIGHT.so there is nothing 2 left...

1) attacking iraq
2)creating taliban and then hunt for them.
the list is endlessssssss................................
be aware of neo cons.. they r enemy of humanity.

[alexanderthegreat]

Originally Posted by NucleusKore

I changed my mind about him after he turned around India Railways.

Originally Posted by confused!!

Yes whatever Laloo is, fact is that he brought a good change in Indian Railways

Both of you have been successfully hoodwinked by by the man that plundered Bihar. Want to know him inside out, ask a bihari like me.
As for the railways, here's the proof:-

The Great Railway Ripoff
source:http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=indiasectionpage&id=0e5 09d30-e8f9-4b9d-b203-356a1ce41254&&Headline=Great+railway+ripoff

“Never mind the rats,” the ticket collector said, reclining on his seat as passengers settled in for the night. “We have no choice but to get accustomed to having them as our fellow passengers.”

As the Mumbai-bound Golden Temple Mail left New Delhi and made quick progress through Rajasthan’s dry terrain, a foul stench from the bathrooms wafted through the train car, mingling with the smell of leftover food on dinner trays piled up near the bathrooms. For the record

At a time when the Indian Railways profits have peaked, an HT reporter made a 38-hour, 2,800-km train journey on one of the country’s busiest routes to investigate if services had improved on the world’s second largest train network.

Here is what we found: services have worsened.

That is to be expected when the company that got the contract to clean bed rolls on one of the trains is, incredibly, a detective agency.

Officials shrugged off complaints about poor service.

“It is not proper to jump to conclusions on the basis of a short travel,” IRCTC Managing Director Rakesh Kumar Tandon told HT.

But a top official said the Railways Board was “deeply concerned” about deteriorating standards of passenger amenities and was taking “corrective steps”.

Toilets filthier than before.
Rats, roaches in new coaches.
Smelly bedrolls in Rajdhanis. Suppliers: detective agency
train Employees not paid for up to six months.
Good luck with catering toll-free number. It doesn’t work.

The last few lines are a killer.
Also,
Chinese people please move over this post.

Originally Posted by nix

wrong. they dont choose whats easy. they are strived hard to make their country what it is now. many indians have told me that its just like a developed coutry. with good roads et al. its not just an image, its real. regarding injustice, i feel its not possible to please everybody. there are some tough decisions you may have to take. and its OK as long as its in the interest of the country.

But that is just like that proper idiocy called "For the greater good". Politics is all about decieving in today's world, my fellow Indian. You should take a good look at china's history to see what its emperors were like. Even we had those types of kings but we did not tolerate them. They did. It is a developed country but it has another facet too! Remeber how they strived to clean their skies of smog at Beijing? OR reports of how they strived to hide their poor section of the society? Sometimes, the greater good is simply cruel!
Oh, and it looks developed due to the selective advertisement!

Originally Posted by nix

even if they were hard boots, the american public would still laugh at their own president. they believe that bush has done nothing right. which is wrong. there may be many good things he has done but they may be still classified. who knows...
american public is not smart, they got carried away by obama's bush bashing. he won the elections just by bashing bush.

How do you know he wasn't bad? We, being Indians have no right to judge him. The people of the US were against him because they had a reason! Just like many of us are against Mr. Muthalik, Mr. Thackeray, Mr. Yadav etc.
Oh, and that bit about the hard boots... that was a joke!

[Faun]

^^Shouldn't we feel pride in having a prototype. It doesn't matter if it can be put into production or not but what matters is that others (neighboring countries) and average stupid clamoring Indian must get a reason to celebrate like crazy (exploding loud obnoxious crackers in front of your house lane).

@nix
I seriously recommend you to watch these movies:
Sicko
Occupation 101

You will know some simple facts obscured and deranged by diplomats and media.

[nix]

@alexanderthegreat: i agree with your views on lalu. he just listened to his advisers and many indians forget about his dark history when he cracks a few jokes...

the point am trying to make is that, chinese people are nationalist, which is good. we are not. you remember the incident when chinese ppl boycotted carrefour(the french retail giant)?. well, that was in reaction to the french prime minister support to tibet. it was during olympics.

will we do that? no.

things like that are what you need to become the no.1 country in the world. you cannot be goody-good and get to the top.

we also try to hide poverty. whenever there is some international event, only that area is cleaned. nothing new there.

[dips_view]

i disagree with NIX.Chinese people are not nationalists they are communists and any type of blind nationalism creates fascism.So don't want to be a nationalist be human first. after all India is not out of the world but it's a part of the world.

[stellarbpo]

Thanks for the information.