The OSes and The Organisations are fooling us. Lets Wake up!

[Satissh S]

Hey guys think of interaction with the comp sans the OS.
Why do we tend to use these middle men in our lives when we can directly interact with the system! Hey Friends we must all think independently to buid small programs for using the computer for our needs. After all we need to order our servant rather than limiting it to certain capablities! 8)
what about the programming language to program! Lets create our own! This is for individual users and a collective group could create their own.
Let every computer do some job why should they do it in the same way
though mey be similar bt shud'nt be the same. The OSes are trying to fool us with new new filesystems fat , fat32,ext3 etc., After all it is a piece of code hidden in each file system!. :roll:


Of course these are my own views and thoughts though it may hinder the ease of use. I tink thats when every computer user knows to write instructions and teach his servants what he is gonna do? Only then i woud say computing will reach its golden period and we'll be able to make good use of it!

Your Ideas PLZ

[technoteen]

plz post all such discussion in general section

m8 i would just say that it is not that easy to talk to the hardware as easily as you are thinking and what you are saying is just that every pc should have its different os (which implies different kernels for eac hpc, and by no means writing a kernel is joke)

and the filesystems are not crap, each new file system has its adavntages and disadvantages.if it was not for ntfs you would never have been able to use disk larger than 32 gb on you windows pc

[sreevirus]

wow excuse me...but each file system is unique...
check out these links and u may understand that a filesystem isnt "just a piece of code"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system

for a quick comparison of file systems, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems

and read the lines here to find the working of some of the important file systems:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_allocation_table
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReiserFS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HFS_Plus

a file system is something used to organise the files on ur hard disk, to index them, and have addresses of files, without that, u cant even imagine the chaos.


and its not in every1's capability to know programming languages, not everyone is a hardcore programmer, so, writing programs for every other purpose by every other person is impossible.

u must try to know the working of an OS, and if u knew anything abt the code involved in making an OS, how to address hardwares, the file-system u wud NEVER have asked a question as u did...its no ordinary task at all....

[Satissh S]

I agree with all your views! and of course i don't have answers to those questions! I just cited the file system as an example to boo the OSes but certainly i'm na interested in the details either.

But Just Think about everything related to comp for a few minutes. Iam in a situation where i can't express in words!

Was'nt all these man made! Then what's the possibility that he might have done it in some other way!

Of course communicating with a washing machine is more simpler than communicating with a computer!

Think my Friends! We're in an illusion of certain things and they could've been a lot more simpler and a lot more powerful!

After all finally everything boils down to 1's and 0's and the way you use them is what really counts!

[vysakh]

well, if i was a software expert or was perfect in computer language, i would have created an OS of my own.

[vasanth_12345]

Hey look man if it was so easy developing wouldnt we be having a billion oses by now.Now seriously think man we dont even have an Indian os and ur calling for individual users having their own os.How will u develop the ur own browser.If the file systems are different(.jpg,.gif)How will u share ur files

[Satissh S]

Why? can't we share files by creating groups of common group members who use a common os!?
If all these are done information would be secure as it could only be read by the usergroup!
No spyware can sneak in! or even this gr8ly decreases the threat of viruses!

[NikhilVerma]

[Thinking Out Loud]I think like the viruses had a code randomizer to make their detection diffucult...

We should have something like this for OS's so that each OS's is different than the other... This way they can be more protected... [/Thinking Out Loud]

[gamefreak14]

Satish S, heres some food for thought that could end all your doubts about specific custom made OS's. Windows XP contains 45 million lines of code. Communicates flawlessly with different hardware which is unique for every pc on earth. Is that as easy as communicating with a washing machine as you've said? It's obviously a painstaking laborious process.

Originally Posted by NikhilVerma

I think like the viruses had a code randomizer to make their detection diffucult...

Viruses cannot have "code randomizers" coded. I believe you are talking about polymorphic viruses

[mail2and]

Originally Posted by sreevirus

and its not in every1's capability to know programming languages, not everyone is a hardcore programmer, so, writing programs for every other purpose by every other person is impossible.

I am sorry sree, can't agree with you on this. Writing codes is not going to the moon. I thot there are atlest 1000 engineering colleges in India producing around 4 lac engineers every year who are taught to code.

Why not? why can't writing a program be made as simple as writing a page on the effects of globalisation.

Next, the utility of operating systems is different. Personally i feel Windows Xp is cr@p. There are so many viri for it

Tell me 1 viri for MAC OS X(10.x). Yes there are viri for MAC OS Classic(9.x). Then you would say, "oh! mac isn't popular".. but why isnt there even ONE virus, adware or spyware for MAC os X. ....Its been there for 4 years....

[krishnathelord]

hey man writing or as we say coding a os is not big job,

what is big and important is debugging and continous upgradation

[sreevirus]

Originally Posted by anand

I am sorry sree, can't agree with you on this. Writing codes is not going to the moon. I thot there are atlest 1000 engineering colleges in India producing around 4 lac engineers every year who are taught to code.

Why not? why can't writing a program be made as simple as writing a page on the effects of globalisation.

well..not all r engineers, are they? do all the colleges (for commerce and art) teach c++ and java programming? will all be interested in learning it? i dont think so...also, not every1 will be in a position to even own a PC, so the prospect is not possible...

and abt windows xp, its very stable, and not like its predecessors like win98, and microsoft doesnt code viruses, and yes, i do use softwares for my security and also a bit of common sense to prevent viruses...so blaming winxp to be bad coz of viruses aint good.

a virus for OSX? here u go:
http://securityresponse.symantec.com....renepo.b.html

SH.Renepo.B is a data-collecting script virus that only runs on Mac OS X systems.

Note: Virus definitions dated prior to October 26, 2004 may detect this threat as MacOS.Renepo.B or Hacktool.Openerscript.

Also Known As: MacOS.Renepo.B, Unix/Opener.worm [McAfee], Worm.MacOS.Opener.a [Kaspersky], SH/Renepo-A [Sophos], MAC_RENEPO.B [Trend Micro]

Type: Virus
Infection Length: 46,007 bytes



Systems Affected: Macintosh OS X

and from what i have read, viruses r very much possible on OSX...there have been viruses documented on the earlier versions of mac.

also see this site:
http://www.macosx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49609 <-- from the mouths of mac users themselves.

cmon yaar...no os is bug free..and ppl will take advantages of the holes in the os and create malware...the fault here with windows is that its very popular and ppl will naturally target it more.

Disclaimer: i am not supporting nor am i against any company/OS.

[Satissh S]

I thought the whole night yesterday without sleep and i get a feeling that were really rocking here. As you can see most of those working in software companies in US are indians. If in all possibility they feel more patriotic then they will certainly help the cause. Unless India becomes a software powerhouse we'll be always a developing country, that's for sure!

[Nemesis]

Ummm I thought India was already a software powerhouse. Indian software compnies are blooming everywhere and are making truck loads or money. So what if we don't have our own OS?

Back to the topic at hand, it is easy for people who have programming experience to write code but what about the majority who have no experience? And how will they code? Won't they need some platform to code on? What about sharing/communicating as others pointed out? How do you plan on accomplishing that if you have a billion different OSes? You said creating closed groups. But doesnt that mean that everyone codes the same way? And use linux and write code to make your own OS. It is free!!

[mail2and]

YES the B.COM guys can STUDYT C++.... therez an option for that in TYBCOM.. infact c++, foxpro... GET UR FACTS STRAIGHT DUDE


sree i fail to understand that u can't read the fine print.. virex is mainly used for protecting mac fromn spreading pc viruses than for mac viruses itself.

Also all the 4 viri mentioned there are for MAc OS Classic... and NOT for os x....

also they aren't even viruses.... they are sort of dependent on other software....

anna i think you have very little knowledge of the market share... apple commands a good 5% share in the market(equal to the share of firefox in the browser market).... then tell me why isn't there even ONE main line virus????

Don't u think any programmer would like to be famous by creating the first MAC virus??// eh????

neways am not gonna post here... because u speak on theories.. go try out a mac.. therez an apple store in bandra... and 5 dealers in andheri.... go try out a mac first.... and then talk.... get ur facts straight

u even said that tiger isn't 64 bit? how bad is that? the last time i heard.. panther was fully 64-bit complaint.... then how do they use g5's anna?

u even said linux duznt run on a MAC.... thats why i said...get ur facts right.... then talk....

"half knowledge is dangerous"

[shefzomania]

I'm thinkin...
Y not leave things just as they are...
Y rack ur brains 4 nothin?

[grinning_devil]

@mail2and...whats wrong with u m8..?? been seeing ur posts in the forum nd ur always up with a flamethrower on ur shoulder!!!!

according to u winXP is cr@p,MAC rulez...rite???
but only ACCORDING to u...so just post ur views dont force them...!

nd for a change just coooool down!!

[FilledVoid]

I seemed to be lost on this topic....

Why do we tend to use these middle men in our lives when we can directly interact with the system!

How in the world do we use a computer "without" this ???

After all we need to order our servant rather than limiting it to certain capablities!

Are the OS makers somehow limiting you in what you want to do with your computer

I also think this should go to the General section.

Apart from that , making an OS seems to be a great idea. Like nemesis said , to start out you can try to build your own Linux Distro ..

Check out this link too www.linuxfromscratch.org

Yo Yo Yo, making an OS is not easy, just take a look how much time it is taking MS to make Longhorn or How much time it took for apple to develop Tigar (2 years)

without a middleware program, we cannot interact directoly to the system hardware, this middleware program is Kernal, if we have to make something to interact directoly to hardware, then it has to be written in assembly language, & the program will be like BIOS, for the flashy things like FF or WMP, U need a middleware program which tells the code to interact to the hardware

File system is extremely required, try making it, without any experience U will end up in making a working file system n 6 years

The OS, like windows & mac don't limit U in any way, U can make just about anything on it, who though that they can have moving animation on desktop with DesktopX in Windows 98, or skinned windows in Windows 2000

[gamefreak14]

Originally Posted by mail2and

YES the B.COM guys can STUDYT C++.... therez an option for that in TYBCOM.. infact c++, foxpro... GET UR FACTS STRAIGHT DUDE

Don't tell me that rudimentary knowledge of C++ will allow you to code an OS. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard that OS programming requires you to know assembly language?

Originally Posted by mail2and

apple commands a good 5% share in the market(equal to the share of firefox in the browser market)

5% --- There you have your answer. A virus writer creates a virus for the attention. He wants global recognition, not just from americans.
From your previous discussions its clear that a mac = great tool for designers + looks to die for + simple system + "hatke" system. Where are the finer aspects of buying a pc, man? Like versatility, affordability (a 1 lakh mac will get you a pc worth 40,000 ) and speed? If that is the case, why don't we see macs used extensively in organizations? Why do they feel that buying a 1000 pcs is better than buying a 1000 macs? It's all about the money, dude.

Originally Posted by mail2and

Personally i feel Windows Xp is cr@p. There are so many viri for it

That's it? I don't know why people are chugging along with MS. They release bad products, and yet Mr.Jobs never gets the appreciation. Do you know why?

[mail2and]

oh please don't tell me. The DVD Jon guy i.e. the guy who targets itunes... even he failed to creat a virus for MAC OS X... am not talking abt classic... and gf.... i guess mac mini costed 28k... and the "1 lac" system that ur talking abt is a powermac.. and it shows the middle finger to an athlon fx-55.....


annna told that commerce guys DONT learn c++.... i was just clarifying abt that...

well i don't understand.... not even a SINGLE DAMNING VIRUS....

for your information... MAc just duznt sell in USA... it sells a lot in europe too....

well are you trying to compare Steve Jobs to Bill Gates??


Ipod, mac mini, imac and the powerbook... thats what that guy has done for us...

what has Mr. Gates done? Cheated Spyglass and got IE? or closed down 1001 companies with the power of his money?

Can Mr. Gates with all his resources and his 40k+ employees release an OS within 2 years? and that too a bug free and a master of an OS?

Look i know PC's are preferred more... thats because u can get a pc for 14k and because of all those games....

And i thot Tiger was the largest selling software on Amazon? and its on pre-order... now douznt that suffice the condition to create a virus?

Just because MAC here isn't popular... its not the case that its not popular elsewhere...

Even Itunes menaces like DVD jon failed to create a virus for OS X.... remember not MAC oS CLASSIC....

This is due to a simple fact... whenever you run anew program on a mac... u need the user password to run it... its that simple sir...

[sreevirus]

Originally Posted by mail2and

sree i fail to understand that u can't read the fine print.. virex is mainly used for protecting mac fromn spreading pc viruses than for mac viruses itself.

Also all the 4 viri mentioned there are for MAc OS Classic... and NOT for os x....

also they aren't even viruses.... they are sort of dependent on other software....

hmmmm...i see that u have not read anything about the virus that i quoted for mac OSX and u carefully stepped aside from it....
and now u r changing tact here...u have been blowing the trumpet around of OSX not having a single virus...and i pointed out a virus for the same OS, and the virus was released as near as october 2004. what did i want to do? show that i won here? no man...i just wanted to tell yes, viruses are possible on a mac (but u said in conf that it was not possible, if my memory serves me right)
i provided that macosx forum site here to so that u can understand that viruses r possible on osX, even its not "that" safe

Originally Posted by mail2and

anna i think you have very little knowledge of the market share... apple commands a good 5% share in the market(equal to the share of firefox in the browser market).... then tell me why isn't there even ONE main line virus????

see this about the virus that i earlier mentioned:

Originally Posted by Symantec

When the virus is executed, it does the following:

1. Deletes some UNIX commands and modifies preferences for other additional commands.

2. Launches a keystroke-mapping application (if installed) called Krec, to record the keyboard entry of passwords.

3. Modifies the hostconfig file, allowing Write access to all users and SSH access from the intruder's computer.

4. Gathers hash files (mathematical strings used to represent passwords and other sensitive data) to scan for passwords for every user, compares these hash files to a dictionary file to try to generate the appropriate passwords.

5. Turns on file sharing and remote login, then puts passwords and other sensitive data into an invisible folder named .info on each user's Public folder.

6. When active, the Activity Monitor shows a process called "john" eating almost an entire processor.

7. Requires one or more of the following to install this script and to copy itself to the startup items folder:
* Admin or physical access (boot from a CD or firewire/usb, ignore permissions on the internal drive).
* Write access to either /Library/StartupItems /System/Library/StartupItems.
* Write access to any existing StartupItem (which is replaced with this script).
* Write access to the rc, crontab, or periodic files.

8. Creates the startup item /System/Library/StartupItems named "opener."

9. Runs "john" (we assume as in "the Ripper").

10. Turns on some services and turns off others (including firewall services).

11. Runs as root, as no "sudo" commands are needed.

12. Copies itself to any mounted startup volume, before it kills utmp. When the virus connects, it is invisible to the user.

Note: The utmp file allows one to discover information about who is currently using the system. There may be more users currently using the system, because not all programs use utmp logging.

13. After disabling the Macintosh OS firewall, it changes the File Server preferences to make sure the Mac File Server does not log any Mac File Sharing.

14. Prevents Software update from auto-updating.

15. Looks for LittleSnitch software (a shareware Firewall program with application control) and tries to terminate the process, when LittleSnitch attempts to perform network access.

16. Searches throughout the computer for the following:
* Serial numbers of installed applications.
* Various preference files of installed applications.
* Various user-specific preferences, including Classic files.

17. Modifies the LimeWire settings, deletes log files, and creates an admin level user named:

"LDAP-daemon"

so the machine can then be accessed in the future by a hacker who knows about this script. This user name will appear in the NetInfo Manager.

18. Installs a daily script to look for more passwords on the system that runs at 3 A.M.

19. Installs and runs two programs named:
* "John the Ripper"
* "dsniff"

which will gather data and attempt to isolate passwords contained within them, as well as any other 10.2 and 10.3 hashes.

20. Gathers data and attempts to isolate passwords contained within them, as well as any other 10.2 and 10.3 hashes.

21. Reviews the logs for any passwords found.


There appears to be no attempt by the script to send the passwords to an email address or FTP site. However, the computer's state is compromised to the extent that anyone with knowledge of the script could login and access the log files containing serial numbers and passwords.

http://securityresponse.symantec.com...l.rootkit.html

a perfect little virus isnt it? and there was no fine print here...

Systems Affected: Macintosh OS X

Originally Posted by mail2and

anna i think you have very little knowledge of the market share... apple commands a good 5% share in the market(equal to the share of firefox in the browser market).... then tell me why isn't there even ONE main line virus????

FYI, i perfectly knew that mac has a 5% penetration, but how big is that? alhough gamefreak has answered u on this, 5% share is too meagre....and yes, in that case, virus writers wont target it as they do for windows, but even then, it doesnt mean that there wont be viruses for it, does it?
and if u will remember, there was recently a competition announced to create a virus for a mac, and it was pulled off...well, it cud as well serve as a catalyst.

Originally Posted by mail2and

neways am not gonna post here... because u speak on theories.. go try out a mac.. therez an apple store in bandra... and 5 dealers in andheri.... go try out a mac first.... and then talk.... get ur facts straight

hell man, for what should i try it? yes, i wud like to try it, but will my trying it mean that there wont be viruses for mac? will my trying it change the fact that the number of windows users wont increase? cmon yaar...

Originally Posted by mail2and

u even said that tiger isn't 64 bit? how bad is that? the last time i heard.. panther was fully 64-bit complaint.... then how do they use g5's anna?

u even said linux duznt run on a MAC.... thats why i said...get ur facts right.... then talk....

yes, i do agree that i made a mistake on 64 bit proc in that conf, but i never said anything abt linux not running on mac....i did specifically mention that there if not mac, then some other linux for powerpc. i do know abt ubuntu and other linux that runs on mac FYI.

Originally Posted by mail2and

"half knowledge is dangerous"

now thats a bit rich coming from u...u said there wasnt a single virus for osX, u still say so and i gave link to show a virus. so....
"look before u leap"

[gamefreak14]

Originally Posted by mail2and

and the "1 lac" system that ur talking abt is a powermac.. and it shows the middle finger to an athlon fx-55.....

And how much does an FX 55 based desktop cost. One lac? Besides, in single processor mode @ 1.8Ghz, you're telling me that a G5 beats an FX 55? Totally wrong there, m8. The FX 55 outperforms every processor on the planet (in single processor config). Period.

Originally Posted by mail2and

well i don't understand.... not even a SINGLE DAMNING VIRUS....

In addition to cornys points on this, let me tell you - a vulnerability always exists, no matter what you do. Plugging holes is always an incomplete process. This maybe because of the sheer number of software available for the pc that runs on windows. Had this been the case with Mac, i'm sure it would've been facing the same problem. Don't you think the worlds richest person would spend a small part of his earnings to learn OS X's secret? As you said - the user password - Admin priveleges? Doesn't XP too have that? If Windows were able to successfuly plug it's holes - if someone had the brains to block every potential vulnerability, trust me - he'd have been a millionaire by now.

Originally Posted by mail2and

what has Mr. Gates done? Cheated Spyglass and got IE? or closed down 1001 companies with the power of his money?

Cheating always exists in business - it's a fact. Someone rips off someone, especially when they're giants. No business tycoon has ever been an equalitarian. If he's closed down companies, it's because those companies were bought by him.

Originally Posted by mail2and

Look i know PC's are preferred more... thats because u can get a pc for 14k and because of all those games....

Not just games. Application software - on almost anything. From inventory management to hair styling. Had the mac been more affordable, and certainly not elitist - it would've been a runaway hit around the world. It has the potential - just as their ipod does. But they choose to remain that way. So be it. Who cares.

[mail2and]

7. Requires one or more of the following to install this script and to copy itself to the startup items folder:
* Admin or physical access (boot from a CD or firewire/usb, ignore permissions on the internal drive).
* Write access to either /Library/StartupItems /System/Library/StartupItems.
* Write access to any existing StartupItem (which is replaced with this script).
* Write access to the rc, crontab, or periodic files.

that answers your question... it requires user permisssions.. unless u r going to install it urself... its not going to do things to ur mac... so its not a VIRUS technically.. write access in a mac is not as easy as it is in Windows.....


roftl gamer.... i didnt expect this from you.... giga-hertz don't matter..... a 1.8 ghz powerMAC kick some fx-55 ass.... gnurag can confirm that... as i say u gotta sit in front of a system to know what it is.... watching some pics isn't enuff....


well korny... what say abt the linux thing and the 64-bit thing u said???? get ur facts right buddy...


neways thats the problem in india... ppl dont know sh*t abt a thing and talk as if they've worked on a mac since they were born.... am sorry but thats true...

anyways, this debate won't go anywhere...


btw gamer.. mind if u visit www.versiontracker.com

u will get ur answer abt the software for mac.....

u guys even said in a conf that jeffrey sachs is a liar.... when he said that india will overtake usa's economy by 2045

anna.. remember what u said abt india's external debt? boy, go try out a mac... call the toll free no... they'll give u a free demo....

Andy, just cos U R getting Mac Mini or have just tried Mac on PeerPC or something like that does not makes a Mac the best

Mac is better suited for designing as I said before, due to its memory management, but that’s all, if it wasn’t apple that restricts third party developers to make Mac hardware it would have been cheap

as for software, no software in the world is bug free, for Mac still there are virus & bugs in software’s, truly due to their 5% market share only a few are written for them, but they are possible & exist

Windows became popular due to it's driver support & ability to run on any CPU be it Intel or AMD or Via, but Mac only runs on PowerPC, due to which innovation on Mac is Limited, besides apple charges a lot a lot I say, more then Alienware, I mean U can get a Dell 2005 FP for $ 700 on newegg, but a 20" Apple Cinema display, a lot more then that

Mac will never gain market share if they keep on restricting what the third party can make for it, I mean even the iSight costs a lot compared to Mac compatible Web cams from Logitech, & worst thing still 2.1 audio in most Macs, while PCs are getting 7.1 or 8.1 audio, also since U R going for Mac mini, tell me if U can voice chat, either buy a USB Mic or iSight as there is no Mic in port in Mac mini, another limiting thing U can't do with Mac

[sreevirus]

Originally Posted by mail2and

that answers your question... it requires user permisssions.. unless u r going to install it urself... its not going to do things to ur mac... so its not a VIRUS technically.. write access in a mac is not as easy as it is in Windows.....

oh yeah...well, there is a solution to everything, isnt there? even in windows, no virus will execute unless the user does something will it? all u need to prevent viruses is to take the appropriate measures and some common sense. my system was affected by redlof (but then, i didnt have a quarter amount of the knowledge abt computers that i have today)...but since then, my pc was never affected.

Originally Posted by mail2and

neways thats the problem in india... ppl dont know sh*t abt a thing and talk as if they've worked on a mac since they were born.... am sorry but thats true...

well....is the share of mac outside india more than that of PCs?

Originally Posted by mail2and

well korny... what say abt the linux thing and the 64-bit thing u said???? get ur facts right buddy...

u dont exactly read well do u?

Originally Posted by sreevirus

yes, i do agree that i made a mistake on 64 bit proc in that conf, but i never said anything abt linux not running on mac....i did specifically mention that there if not mac, then some other linux for powerpc. i do know abt ubuntu and other linux that runs on mac FYI.

Originally Posted by mail2and

u guys even said in a conf that jeffrey sachs is a liar.... when he said that india will overtake usa's economy by 2045

anna.. remember what u said abt india's external debt? boy, go try out a mac... call the toll free no... they'll give u a free demo....

hell man...why the hell r u bringing totally unrelated topics in here? what does that prove?
anyway, abt that foreign debt thing, even ur solution and ur visions r theoretical...lets see what happens...
and if i remember correctly, when u said that thing abt jeffrey sachs, it wasnt 2045, it was 2017...wasnt it gamer?

[Satissh S]

Today's fiction is tomorrows reality!

[Ashis]

Originally Posted by krishnathelord

hey man writing or as we say coding a os is not big job,

what is big and important is debugging and continous upgradation

I guess people r well aware of that

Why to code a new one when we can tweak the existing one

[gamefreak14]

Originally Posted by mail2and

roftl gamer.... i didnt expect this from you.... giga-hertz don't matter..... a 1.8 ghz powerMAC kick some fx-55 ***.... gnurag can confirm that... as i say u gotta sit in front of a system to know what it is.... watching some pics isn't enuff....

Hmm...This is becoming one beautiful discussion. Andy - Check out this pic straight from http://www.apple.com/powermac/
It's not about GHz..dude! I own an Athlon XP, so don't teach me about Ghz differences. Why haven't they compared the FX - 55. Why does it stop at FX-53? Allow me to quote yourself - "get ur facts right buddy...". Please note that Apple have to resort to coupling two processors with "super cooling" to almost reach (actually doesn't) the speed of a single FX-55.

Originally Posted by mail2and

neways thats the problem in india... ppl dont know sh*t abt a thing and talk as if they've worked on a mac since they were born.... am sorry but thats true...

It's actually *common sense*. Yes, I haven't worked on a mac. Yet, I know how to spend my money prudently. I'm not Donald Trump, you know. You haven't been able to counter a single point on my take of your beloved mac. Simply saying windows sucks and mac rulzzz is best left to kids.

Originally Posted by sreevirus

and if i remember correctly, when u said that thing abt jeffrey sachs, it wasnt 2045, it was 2017...wasnt it gamer?

Gosh...and I took andys words, when it was 2050 (googling confirmed it). This is what Jeffrey Sachs said : "By 2050, China and maybe India will overtake the US economy in size." I had myself predicted 2025 in that thread. See what I meant andy, we were arguing on nothing. He's spot on there. I couldn't agree more.

Originally Posted by mail2and

u guys even said in a conf that jeffrey sachs is a liar.... when he said that india will overtake usa's economy by 2045

Yeah he's a bloody liar, if you're saying we'll beat the US economy in 12 years. Does it make sense now?

[mail2and]

jeggrey sachs is NOT a liar... he is one of the most well respected economists in the world.... You better watch out before using words..


i said india will be a "developed" nation by 2017. i never said it will overtake USA by that time.. therez no chance of that before 2045.... jeffrey said china will overtake USA by 2025..

gosh... u guys don't know anything abt economists and u use such words against such widely respected persons....