avoding overheat releted problem.....

Choto Cheeta · 20-02-2005, 04:02 PM

how can i make sure my prosscesor dont get overheated...... if it does is there any software that can monitor & then shutdown the pc autometicaly??

swatkat · 20-02-2005, 04:14 PM

use a Cabinet Fan also, to keep the air circulating....
yeah.there r softwares whicl cool the processor, they do this by making CPU to enter sleep or idle state (by executing HLT instruction) when it gets heated...
popular ones r Rain 2.0 , Waterfall.....

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download437.html
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download430.html
http://downloads.vnunet.com/download...idle/_168.html

KHUBBU · 20-02-2005, 04:28 PM

ok I'm also posting my prob in this thread. plz do help.

MBM 5 shows that my CPU temp is 70 C. same is with sissoft Sandra 2004.
But my pc never gets hanged, even if I play nfs ug2 continous for 2-3 hrs.

I have a zenith PC, 2.8 HT, 128x2 ddr 400 hynix ram, Asrock 865 mobo, wd 80 gb 7200 rpm + 20gb seagate 5400 rpm, cd-rw and dvd rom. win xp sp2.

The smps unit in my cabinet is not fixed horizontally instead its vertical and almost blocks the cpu fan. Its like this:

B A
C D
Ideally it shud be like:
A
B D
C

A - SMPS
B - connection panel
C- pci slots
D - space for connecting a fan

I hav tried removing the smps from its position temporarily but then also the temp remains same. I had even placed a table fan in front of the comp with panels open and spms removed from its position but still it showed 70C.The newer version of mbm does not lists my mobo, cant configure it.

The bios shows temp of 37 C.

Also i hav reduced my ram latencies the system is working fine, whether its divx encoding, mp3 encoding, tv recording, playing games with onboard extreme 2, everything works fine.

Plz help.

Choto Cheeta · 20-02-2005, 04:57 PM

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The bios shows temp of 37 C.

though i am not a hardware expt but still i will ask u to trust ur bios stats......

& for me... i download a lot..... so pc stay alone & keeps downloading while i am out side or doing some thing else.... my OS is winXP SP2... & i am on AMD Athlon 2600XP+ Asus A7V8XMX-SE......

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my pc never gets hanged, even if I play nfs ug2 continous for 2-3 hrs.

is that mean running purticular software makes CPU overheat..... then what about my use??

speedyguy · 20-02-2005, 05:02 PM

@khubbu

cpu heating is a serious problem but yes u shud trust ur bios reading coz they are directly linked to ur system.....softwares mite mess up reading ur fan speed....twud be better if u keep ur system ventilated since itsa fast cpu (ht 2.8)...

ps- u dunt need table fans to cool ur processors or we wud be getting table fans free with pcs....

klinux · 20-02-2005, 05:07 PM

@khubbu : change the cabinet man . i think its the one where u can twist the side panels of the cabinet to let in air , if i aint mistaken . a friend brought it and i told him to replace it at once , since it heated up not only the processor , but also the m/b , ram and other devices . Plus i think its shorter too , so no proper air flow . get a bigger cabinet , with provisions to fix intake fan in front , out let fan behind , and some even have intake fan provisions on the side panel .

@cheeta : ur m/b has a provision to shutdown when a certain temp is reached , make sure u have it in the min temp to shutdown set . What temperatures are u getting anyway ?Usually cleaning the heat sink of dust itself reduces the temp of the processor by around 5 C . More specs would be ideal to help further . if ur getting too high temperatures and still unable to reduce them , try reducing the speed of fsb to 266 (133) . since downloading might not need such a high speed it would reduce ur temperature and keep it well below any harm . but if ur sticking to encoding and hard processor power , keep it at 333(166) in the dip switch on ur m/b

Choto Cheeta · 20-02-2005, 05:16 PM

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What temperatures are u getting anyway?

i dont the exat.... but mobo came with a asus prob software... it shows 51C/52C..... but tell me what temp a CPU should work on??

Choto Cheeta · 20-02-2005, 05:26 PM

@swatkat

Waterfall isnt worrking on my OS (winXP SP2) & in Rain 2.0 i cant find my prosscesor on their list...

swatkat · 20-02-2005, 05:47 PM

try VCool and also CPUidle, which is the first CPU cooling software, both work in XP....
http://vcool.occludo.net/vc_install.html
http://www.cpuidle.de/downloads.php

klinux · 20-02-2005, 07:28 PM

@cheeta : got the same m/b and pro as urs . after cleaning the pc of dust and stuff ( u never know what u can find inside

) , it runs at a stable 45 C . after a couple of months it goes to stable 50 C for normal operations and 57-59 during divx conversions . Mind u this is with 2 additional cabinet fans . Check if there are any asus probe updates , since it might be old and might give bad readings . Anyway , just make sure nothing is blocking the pro fan . try keeping the tower on top of the table , as opposed to many people burying it in the provisions in tables given below and not so ventilated . If u have a front intake fan , it might help in cooling ur hdd too , especially the new faster ones which tend to heat up

enoonmai · 20-02-2005, 07:47 PM

70 Degrees and no lock ups? Hmm, what's your motherboard model? Maybe its reading the thermal diodes wrongly. You did say the newer version of MBM does not list your mobo, and that should mean its trying to read something that's not true. I think its just a case of the software trying to read the wrong TM diode. 'Coz at 70 degrees C, you WILL face a problem.

Choto Cheeta · 20-02-2005, 08:01 PM

@klinux

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it might help in cooling ur hdd too

yes good piont u made..... i am such a foooool

never thought about that...... yup HDD takes all the blows..... any thing (any software) thats keeps the HDD healthy??

enoonmai · 20-02-2005, 08:12 PM

Use HDD Temperature. You can download it here:

http://www.hddtemp.com/home/download.html

But the BEST thing to do is to get a hard disk cooler that has a separate enclosure and a fan that the hard disk goes into. Its added cost, but its worth it if your HDD temperature rises to alarming levels.

Choto Cheeta · 20-02-2005, 09:43 PM

@enoonmai

well none of the files r working on ur link...

i use samsung 80GB puma...... does samsung it self has any software??

swatkat · 20-02-2005, 09:50 PM

i think MBM has a problem with reading temperature of CPU...when i was using it, it was always warning me of high temp, whereas my BIOS showed normal temps......
may it does not read correctly from LM 78 or LM 79 motherboard chips which sense the temperatures...
BIOS alos uses these same chips to read out temperature info, so theoritically both should be same.....

klinux · 20-02-2005, 10:07 PM

Everest home edition gives u readings for ur hdd .
@Cheeta : man , u got a digi cam or something ??? . if so please take a snap of ur sys from the outside , inside and where its positioned in ur room to get a better idea on how to kool ur rig . till then try giving ur cabinet specs and others

http://www.lavalys.com/
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

Choto Cheeta · 20-02-2005, 11:15 PM

some one is angry with me......

klinux · 20-02-2005, 11:22 PM

who ???????

enoonmai · 20-02-2005, 11:52 PM

@saurav: I just triple checked the link, its working fine. Add this link to your download manager if you dont want to visit the website.

http://www.hddtemp.com/hddt1.exe

Just set it to hibernate your computer when the temperature goes up. Make sure you keep your computer dust-free. A nice blast of air from a vaccuum cleaner in blower mode should take care of most of the dust and you can go after the rest with a camel-hair brush. That should give your computer some much needed breathing space. Also, consider installing another fan in your cabinet.

Choto Cheeta · 21-02-2005, 08:56 AM

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I just triple checked the link, its working fine. Add this link to your download manager if you dont want to visit the website.

ya download is starting.... but the file bound to be corupted.....

enoonmai · 21-02-2005, 01:26 PM

What do you mean the file is bound to be corrupted. You never mentioned that you had an actual problem with overheating and that it was causing lockups or data corruption. So, I don't know why the file should turn out corrupted. I downloaded the entire thing just to be sure, and it works just fine.

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Originally Posted by swatkat

i think MBM has a problem with reading temperature of CPU...when i was using it, it was always warning me of high temp, whereas my BIOS showed normal temps......
may it does not read correctly from LM 78 or LM 79 motherboard chips which sense the temperatures...
BIOS alos uses these same chips to read out temperature info, so theoritically both should be same.....

Maybe MBM has been set to read the wrong diode (accidentally or maybe it auto-configured itself wrongly) A simple selection of the various diodes should show up the one that displays the correct temperature in the 40-50 degree Celsius range. I still have a problem with SpeedFan that shows Temp3 at averaging between 35 and 75 degrees Celsius. There's no info on what sensor it's reading (and I am too lazy to install MBM and figure it out) but that's probably the same diode KHUBBU's MBM is reading.

KHUBBU · 21-02-2005, 10:03 PM

ok, maybe mbm has been configured wrongly but what about sisoft sandra. In the cpu summary it also gives 70 C - temp tooo high!

My mobo is Asrock P4i65GV.

enoonmai · 21-02-2005, 11:22 PM

Just read online somewhere that v1.5 of the BIOS for your mobo has "updated CPU temperature readings" - whatever that means.

It's not uncommon for both Sandra and MBM to read the temperatures wrong. Trust me, if your computer keeps working at 70 deg. C, it would've been literally smoking by now.

Open MBM and go through the available motherboard diodes. MBM should try to read the temperature from the ISA 0x290 interface.

darklord · 22-02-2005, 09:24 AM

70 degrees is a common thing for Prescotts.
Thats why those piece of s**t is called PresHOT...lol

enoonmai · 22-02-2005, 03:44 PM

Whoa, I knew the CPU zone temperatures soar with Prescott, but 70?

Strangely enough, mine never crosses the 63 mark even with Doom 3 and HL2. Doesnt the manual itself say that the max. operating temperature is 68?

KHUBBU · 22-02-2005, 11:32 PM

Here's what AIDA 32 gives:

Sensor Properties
Sensor Type Winbond W83627HF
Sensor Access ISA 290h

Temperatures
Motherboard 43 °C (109 °F)
CPU 71 °C (160 °F)
Aux 53 °C (127 °F)

Cooling Fans
CPU 3013 RPM

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.57 V
CPU Aux 1.71 V
+3.3 V 3.17 V
+5 V 5.08 V
+12 V 11.80 V
-12 V 1.13 V
-5 V 2.09 V
+5 V Standby 4.90 V

My P4 is not prescott.

SiSoftware Sandra:

Processor
Model : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Speed : 2.79GHz
Performance Rating : PR3713 (estimated)
SMT Support : 2 Unit(s)
Type : Standard
Package : FC µPGA478
Rated Speed/FSB : 2800MHz / 4x 200MHz
Multiplier : 14/1x
Minimum/Maximum Multiplier : 0/1x / 14/1x
Generation : G7
Name : P4N (Northwood) Pentium 4 1.6-3.4GHz 1.5-1.6V
Revision/Stepping : 2 / 9 (9)
Stepping Mask : D1
Microcode : MU0F2921
Core Voltage Rating : 1.550V
Maximum Physical / Virtual Addressing : 36-bit / 32-bit
Part Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Asset Tag : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Serial Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M.

Co-Processor (FPU)
Type : Built-in
Revision/Stepping : 2 / 9 (9)

Processor Cache(s)
Internal Data Cache : 8kB Synchronous Write-Thru (4-way sectored, 64 byte line size)
Internal Trace Cache : 12kB Synchronous Write-Thru (8-way, 64 byte line size)
L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous ATC (8-way sectored, 64 byte line size)
L2 Cache Multiplier : 1/1x (2792MHz)

Upgradeability
Socket/Slot : mPGA478
Upgrade Interface : Socket 423
Supported Speed(s) : 2.81GHz+

Environment Monitor 1
Model : Winbond W83627HF ISA
Version : 2.01
Mainboard Specific Support : No

Power Rating(s)
CPU Core Power : 75W (estimated)
CPU Cooling System Thermal Resistance : 0.38C/W (estimated)

Sensors
CPU Temperature : 71.5°C / 160.7°F
Auto Fan Speed Control : No
CPU Fan Speed : 2961rpm
CPU Voltage : 1.54V

klinux · 22-02-2005, 11:43 PM

khubbu : did u read a posting a few posts back regarding , changing ur cabinet ??? anyways , ur cpu fan too seems to be running too slow . for amd cpu fan 4000 + rpm is normal . better switch cabinets soon

KHUBBU · 24-02-2005, 12:14 AM

ya sure, I'm sure going to change the cabinet, just checking if someone has got a less expensive soln.

One thing I want to ask is is it possible that I can change only the back panel of the cabinet and replace it with the one having smps at the top and a fan vent below it for cooling?