Low buget graphics card

[Wraith]

I need a graphics card and my budget is abt rs 4000.I think i can get the geforce fx 5200 128mb or geforce mx 4000 64 mb or ati radeon 9200se in that amount but i cant decided which one to buy.I am not much into gaming but do play NFS Undergorund and Simcity and Quake 3.
I just cant seem to make my mind up....and also i cant find any reviews for the mx 4000.

Please help!!

[blade_runner]

Geforce 4 Ti4200 128MB (256bit) for Rs.4900 or stick with ur fx5200 but it's a bad deal imo, rather get this card and u will be able to enjoy DOOM3 properly.

[Wraith]

Not in DOOM3...just wanns play NFS Underground...more that enough for me!

[suave_guy]

yea even i think geforce 4 Ti4200 is a better deal even if you want to play just NFS Underground.... and no doom3....

And what will you do if NFS undergound2(going to be released at the end of the year) hits the stores

[blade_runner]

Originally Posted by Wraith

Not in DOOM3...just wanns play NFS Underground...more that enough for me!

Care to elaborate !

[Wraith]

elaborate on??...i dont wanna play doom3...all i care abt it NFS U

[hafees]

DOOM3 is supposed to be one of the best pc game on earth. and u dont want to play it?

[Wraith]

I really dont care abt the hype and stuff....i just wanna play what i am comfortable with and besides i dont like FPS...i am more into racing games.

[blade_runner]

Ok got ur point ........i thought u meant something else.

[demoninside]

Having GeForce4 MX 4000 128 mb
Supporting DX9.0b and working cool for 4000rs round
so can suggest u that

[blade_runner]

Originally Posted by demoninside

Having GeForce4 MX 4000 128 mb
Supporting DX9.0b and working cool for 4000rs round
so can suggest u that

Mate the geforce 4 series doesn't support DX9.0b.

[ice]

gf4mx is dx7 :d

[anidex]

Here's how it is :-

GeForce 4 MX: Pretty much a GeForce 2.
GeForce 4 Ti 4200: DX8.1 compliant - read as "already dead".
GeForce FX 5200: Basic DX9.0 compliant - atleast it'll last for a while (perhaps an year or slightly more).

So, the choice is quite straight forward.

[blade_runner]

Anidex the fx5200 sucks and big time. I have the card and i regret buying it in the first place. On contrary to what you said about the Ti, there seems a bit of a demand for Ti cards these days. If i were to spend 4-5k i'd do it on the Ti4200 rather than the measly 5200. But i guess to each his own, so the fx5200 might find some favour with ........

[anidex]

On contrary to what you said about the Ti, there seems a bit of a demand for Ti cards these days

Sure there's a demand, most people in India don't have a clue about graphics cards. If you buy a Ti 4200, you WILL NOT be able to play any games that will be released in the near future, most of them will set DX9 as the baseline. Anyway blade, trust me, you didn't do a mistake by buying an FX 5200. If you had bought a Ti 4200, you would've regretted it much more.

[blade_runner]

Originally Posted by anidex

Sure there's a demand, most people in India don't have a clue about graphics cards. If you buy a Ti 4200, you WILL NOT be able to play any games that will be released in the near future, most of them will set DX9 as the baseline. Anyway blade, trust me, you didn't do a mistake by buying an FX 5200. If you had bought a Ti 4200, you would've regretted it much more.

i know cuz i play everyday with this crap piece of hardware and ppl with Ti who play the same games as me seem 2 get good fps as compared to me. Seriously man i think u shud use this card once, plus this bloody thing has 64bit memory against the 128 bit memory of the Ti. the clock rates for the Fx5200 are 250/333 as against the 250/500 of the Ti. Anyways u dont lose anythng other than some effects if you are using the Ti range.

[akshayt]

ti 4200 has 256bit memory interface.

[blade_runner]

Originally Posted by akshayt

ti 4200 has 256bit memory interface.

Get your facts straight before you post !

Specifications:
# NVIDIA GeForce4™ Ti 4200 256-bit GPU
# 64/128MB 128-bit DDR memory
# AGP 2X/4X with fast writes and AGP texturing support

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Originally Posted by blade_runner

Get your facts straight before you post !

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Blade_runner get your facts right, DX is always backward compatible, even if your card supports DX 8.1 & the game is DX 9c even baseline on the Ti it will run fine at DX 8.1 mode, automatically, although some game require U to enable a switch to use a special path for DX 8.1 mode like Halo

[anidex]

64-bit bus? You must've got the FX 5200 LE/VE not the FX 5200 non-Ultra. That does SUCK a little.

Anyways u dont lose anythng other than some effects if you are using the Ti range.

Do we need to go over this again? Most games to be released about 8-10 months from now will NOT support DX 8.1, so what's a Ti owner gonna do?

[anidex]

Blade_runner get your facts right, DX is always backward compatible, even if your card supports DX 8.1 & the game is DX 9c even baseline on the Ti it will run fine at DX 8.1 mode, automatically, although some game require U to enable a switch to use a special path for DX 8.1 mode like Halo

DX9 baseline means requirement of shader model 2.0+, floating point rendering pipeline, etc... etc... etc... The Ti WON'T run such games.

Mark my words, It will, Shader 9.0c support automatically gives support for Shader 8.1

Mark my words, It will, Shader 9.0c support automatically gives support for Shader 8.1, if not they will still support OpenGL

[blade_runner]

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

Blade_runner get your facts right, DX is always backward compatible, even if your card supports DX 8.1 & the game is DX 9c even baseline on the Ti it will run fine at DX 8.1 mode, automatically, although some game require U to enable a switch to use a special path for DX 8.1 mode like Halo

WTF is wrong with u dude? Hurt your ego in that Sata sp2 thread, Read carefully i m the one who was telling the guy to go for a Ti whereas anidex was telling him 2 go for a Fx5200. And thats what we were arguing about....and u pop in between and start telling me the virtues of Gfx4 Ti...well read u moron i already wrote abt it. Looks like u can't take things sportingly, isnt' it ?

And FYI i was explaning 2 akshay dude here abt the fact that the geforce Ti has 128 bit memory bus when he was telling it to be 256bit.

[blade_runner]

Originally Posted by anidex

64-bit bus? You must've got the FX 5200 LE/VE not the FX 5200 non-Ultra. That does SUCK a little.

Do we need to go over this again? Most games to be released about 8-10 months from now will NOT support DX 8.1, so what's a Ti owner gonna do?

Yeah dude you are right most games released will not support DX8.1 thats obvious, But in the next coming months we will have a beavy of releases which will be graphically heavy, the Fx scores only 20Fps sumthng in D3 in 1024 res which is a poor score according 2 me. Now imagine if a openGl based games which should scale very well as against a DX9 game runs at such crap frame rates imagine what wud happen when more gfx heavy games release! So in all probability this card aint gonna last more than 5-6 months ! Ofcourse we cud go on and on abt this .................but i think this is enuf ! And rather not want this to turn into a slugfest.

[anidex]

It only scores higher because D3 isn't running floating point fragment shaders. As soon as it detects a DX9 level hardware, D3 switches over to floating point precision and on a card like the FX 5200 things don't go too well. Run the game with the same effects as the Ti using some console commands like r_*** (check the net) to disable ARBFP2 shaders and see your framerates shoot up!

[anidex]

Mark my words, It will, Shader 9.0c support automatically gives support for Shader 8.1, if not they will still support OpenGL

Boy you're more confused than a bunch of tequila drunk monkeys. All this while I've been telling that DX 8.1 support doesn't imply DX 9.0 support and you've been saying that DX8.1 support means DX 9.0 will be supported. Now you turn around the plate and switch to my line? You're slicker than an oil-dipped snail :lol!

Mark my words, It will, Shader 9.0c support automatically gives support for Shader 8.1, if not they will still support OpenGL

Boy you're more confused than a bunch of tequila drunk monkeys. All this while I've been telling that DX 8.1 support doesn't imply DX 9.0 support and you've been saying that DX8.1 support means DX 9.0 will be supported. Now you turn around the plate and switch to my line? You're slicker than an oil-dipped snail :lol!

Look again, I said the same thing, DX 9 support will give support for DX 8.1 , I M out of here, U guys are getting angry

[anidex]

even if your card supports DX 8.1 & the game is DX 9c even baseline on the Ti it will run fine at DX 8.1 mode, automatically, although some game require U to enable a switch to use a special path for DX 8.1 mode like Halo

According to my dictionary, that means "If your card supports DX8.1 but a game needs DX9 as the baseline, the game will switch over to the DX8.1 path". That's stupid because if the baseline is DX9, where does the DX 8.1 path come from? lol!

[blade_runner]

Originally Posted by anidex

It only scores higher because D3 isn't running floating point fragment shaders. As soon as it detects a DX9 level hardware, D3 switches over to floating point precision and on a card like the FX 5200 things don't go too well. Run the game with the same effects as the Ti using some console commands like r_*** (check the net) to disable ARBFP2 shaders and see your framerates shoot up!

I am gonna try this(links wud be helpful here). But then the bottom line is both these cards wont b lasting for too long..........and from a laymans perpective, forget the shaders and DX9 the Ti wud be still giving good performance as compared to the Fx. Ans since the d3 engine will power quite a few games the layman shud b happy for the time being.

@Gxsaurav: I aint getting angry at you, its just that akshayt p i s s e d me off with his lame comment and then you further aggravated it by accusing me of sumthng i never said.