gforce ti

[Mahender_Topgun]

hi,

what is it advisable to go in for a geforce 4 ti now....

if so what is the price(new).

[Nemesis]

it's better if u get an fx series card....ti series is kinda old

[nikhilesh]

but its no lesser than the FX's .its according to ur budget mate.

[medpal]

geforce 4 ti is an old war horse but still as much worthy as it was then.

you can get it if your budget is restricted.

but now a days it is hard to get through the dealers, you have to search a lot.

if you do not find it and your budget can be extended little you can get a geforce fx 5200 or 5700 at the least.

i do not know exactly the performance range of the ati cards but still radeon 9200 should be in the sme range.

[tarey_g]

It's better to go for a gforce4 ti rather than a weak fx card. ti will cost less if u compare it to a card of same performance of fx series. thats why i bought a ti4200. and dont go for a fx 5200 its really weak considering the games today. fx 5200 will cost abt 3500 and a ti4200 for 7500,ti4400 for 8500, ti4600 abt 10500 approx.

[anidex]

I suggest staying away from DX8.1 cards, be it the GeForce 4 Ti or the Radeon 9200. The GeForce FX 5200 is a good choice for someone with a low budget, but the X300 is even better.

[tarey_g]

Originally Posted by anidex

I suggest staying away from DX8.1 cards, be it the GeForce 4 Ti or the Radeon 9200. The GeForce FX 5200 is a good choice for someone with a low budget, but the X300 is even better.

Stay away from fx 5200 . one of my friends has 5200 and has to compromise on each game details and performance so i strongly recommend a ti . I played doom3 very well and mt friend having 5200 had to compromise on doom3 a lot ,here is a screenshot of doom3 from my ti4200

[anidex]

The 5200 can run fragment shaders that the Ti can only dream of. All of the special effects like heat haze need a DX9 level card. So what if the FX 5200 can run the game decently only at 800x600? The Ti ain't gonna be able to come close to the FX 5200 visually anyway!

[blade_runner]

But dude whats the point if it can display lotsa gfx candy but doesnt have enuf power to process it.

[anidex]

You can play the game with all those cool effects at a lower resolution just as fast as the Ti. With the Ti, you can't even see those effects though you're playing at a higher resolution.

[tarey_g]

Originally Posted by anidex

You can play the game with all those cool effects at a lower resolution just as fast as the Ti. With the Ti, you can't even see those effects though you're playing at a higher resolution.

I dont understand ....... what is the point if the framerates are choppy on a 5200 better play it on a 4200 or a 4400 with decent framerates. effects are less noticable than framerates.The main thing is the budget, if u have 3500-4000 bucks then 5200 is not a bad choice , if u hav a little more budget then a ti will do the job better.

and for ur info i've had both the cards and i know better how 5200 lacks in performance.....see yourself

Test system -
Pentium 4C 2.4GHz with Hyper-Threading
Intel 865GBF Motherboard
256x2MB Kingston 400MHz DDR-3200 (Dual Channel)
Seagate 80GB HDD - 7200 RPM


3dMark 2001 se

FX 5200 ------------------- 5992 3d marks
Ti 4200 ------------------- 11640 3d marks
Ti 4400 ------------------- 12510 3d marks


3d Mark 2003

FX 5200 ------------------- 692 3d marks
Ti 4200 ------------------- 1733 3d marks
Ti 4400 ------------------- 1798 3d marks

See ti series has a good score even in 3D mark 2003 where not all tests ran (pixel shader , mother nature, etc) then also the score is far better then the 5200 . i agree ti is a bit costly(so obvious) then 5200 but it is worth it.
8)

[tarey_g]

Originally Posted by anidex

The 5200 can run fragment shaders that the Ti can only dream of. All of the special effects like heat haze need a DX9 level card. So what if the FX 5200 can run the game decently only at 800x600? The Ti ain't gonna be able to come close to the FX 5200 visually anyway!

u r most probably lying anidex becoz the 5200 cannot handle doom3 on 800x600 res decently on high settings. Man, i have seen doom3 on, fx5200 the game kills the card even on low res of 800x600 on high settings . ur right abt that cool heat haze effect but what is the point talking abt special effects if the card dosen't have enuf power to handle them .

[anidex]

u r most probably lying anidex becoz the 5200 cannot handle doom3 on 800x600 res decently on high settings

Watch your tongue buddy.

The high setting in Doom 3 only uses uncompressed color maps. It doesn't introduce any new shaders. Anyway, you should only run the high setting on top mainstream cards like the 9500 Pro /5600 Ultra and above cards. You'd be a fool to run the game at high settings on an FX 5200 will such limited bandwidth.

Run the game at 800x600 at the medium setting and you'll be able to enjoy all the special effects, of course, with compressed color maps.

[freshseasons]

I think tarey_g is right here ....!!!! the very reason i upgraded from 5200 Fx to 5700 Fx is my MSi FX5200 coudlnt handlt decent games at 800x600 ....actually when ever i turned on anyeffect i used to get 5 to 6 FPS helll...DAmn it !!!!!
My geforce 3 was lot better than fx5200....At least it didint pretend to run Applealing visuals....when it cant ..
Anyway setteled the issur for once and all with Gigabyte Fx5700...but still i suggest geforce 4 Ti is lot better than Fx5200...any day!!!!

[pradeep_chauhan]

what does this Gigabyte Fx5700 cost?

[blade_runner]

Mahender_Topgun its not advisable to go for a fx or even a Tio since Ti is a generation old card and Fx5200 doesnt have enuf juice. Better go for a Radeon 9600 or a 9600pro for 6.8k and 8.5k respectively. Believe me u wont regret it.

[pradeep_chauhan]

whatever little i read on the web it says that 5700 has a better bandwidth compared to a 9600. Will this not translate to a better performance tecnically?

[anidex]

Technically yes, practically no. Check out the scores people got on the "The GRAPHICS CARDS List" for a good example of how badly the GeForce FX cards perform when put under extreme floating point math stress.

[tarey_g]

I agree with anidex on the performance of FX cards . better go for a ti

[AlphaOmega]

Don't buy a plain 9600 (or even worse a 5700 pure), try getting a 9600XT. Higher bandwidth, transistor count, pixel processing capabilities are, at best, only indicative of a GPUs capabilites. Most of the time they are highly misleading. E.g. the FX5800 had higher bandwidth and transistor count than the Radeon 9700, but failed to beat it in most tests. At its best performance it was only able to equal the 9700.
So, if your budget does not permit a 9600XT, go for a Ti. I can personally attest to its great performance.

[tarey_g]

Originally Posted by anidex

Watch your tongue buddy.

The high setting in Doom 3 only uses uncompressed color maps. It doesn't introduce any new shaders. Anyway, you should only run the high setting on top mainstream cards like the 9500 Pro /5600 Ultra and above cards. You'd be a fool to run the game at high settings on an FX 5200 will such limited bandwidth.

Run the game at 800x600 at the medium setting and you'll be able to enjoy all the special effects, of course, with compressed color maps.

so u ment to say 5200=compromise (low res,med settings)


and this what i was trying to prove earlier 8) , seems like u agree now ,

Originally Posted by anidex

You'd be a fool to run the game at high settings on an FX 5200 will such limited bandwidth

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and a ti is able to do this

[AlphaOmega]

Anidex, I don't think that you have actually seen doom 3 on fx5200. I ran the default timedemo (demo1) at 800x600, High, Aniso forced off, no AA, filtering set to bileniar. Got a measely 6.47 FPS! My system (signature) got 25.1 FPS at 800x600, High, Aniso set to 2X, 2xQ AA, no optimization.
The only difference in I could see between the 2 cards was the heat haze effect, but with the amount of choppiness apparent on the fx, coupled with lack of AF and AA, just about everything looked hazey, lol.
Also, I noted something very peculiar. My friend's radeon 9200se, was running the game on low 640x480. It looked decent (choppy, but decent) enough. However, when I turned it to medium quality the textures looked like they had been bleached. I mean, no details visible! Ditto with turning on high quality. He had the latest drivers. I even tried fiddling with the CFG file. But everything was as it should be (image downsizing turned off, bump mapping turned etc.). Care to tell me what was happening?

[AlphaOmega]

Pradeep, I have said it before and I am saying it again. Don't buy 5700 pure. Buy a 5700 ultra if you can get it cheap (get a good brand). Also don't buy a normal 9600, get a 9600XT if you get it cheap.
If your budget does not allow these, get a Ti, as it is superior to many 'newer' cards.

[tarey_g]

Originally Posted by AlphaOmega

Anidex, I don't think that you have actually seen doom 3 on fx5200.

I knew it . that's why i said .......

u r most probably lying anidex becoz the 5200 cannot handle doom3 on 800x600 res decently on high settings

[jerkthefragment]

and a ti is able to do this

Didn't you get what this guy is trying to tell? Whoa Einstein, in case you didn't realize, the Ti isn't running any of the advanced shaders that the FX 5200 is. That's why the Ti 4200 performs better.

Compressed textures sacrifice a little quality over uncompressed ones, but loosing half the special effects is a huge compromise.

Seems to me that you're just trying to hoodwink someone into buying your Ti 4200. Well guys, my advice is that this chap is only trying to mislead you into buying his rotten Ti 4200, so save your 7000 bucks and go in for an FX 5700 or a Radeon 9600.

[tarey_g]

Originally Posted by jerkthefragment

Didn't you get what this guy is trying to tell? Whoa Einstein, in case you didn't realize, the Ti isn't running any of the advanced shaders that the FX 5200 is. That's why the Ti 4200 performs better.

Compressed textures sacrifice a little quality over uncompressed ones, but loosing half the special effects is a huge compromise.

Seems to me that you're just trying to hoodwink someone into buying your Ti 4200. Well guys, my advice is that this chap is only trying to mislead you into buying his rotten Ti 4200, so save your 7000 bucks and go in for an FX 5700 or a Radeon 9600.

think b4 u write something. we are talking here abt the 5200 and ti4200.
if u really want to experience the perks of Dx9 technology then 5200 is not a good choice, u will need at least a 5700(still weaker than my ti4200 128MB 275/550) and 5700 is lot more expensive than a ti4200.

I am aware of the Dx9 plus points but we are considering here budget too,
jerkthefrag u cant just recommend a 5700 when the budget is considerd . If only the performance and the advanced shaders is all u care about then i recommend the best 6800ultra ....go buy it.....

and u stop confusing other ppl .....

[AlphaOmega]

Ok jerkTF, I can challange you to show me any difference between the Ti and FX5200 in terms of special effects, except the heat haze. Please know what you are talking about before saying something like 'loosing half the special effects'. Man, you are just shooting off!

And please refrain from accusations like 'hookwinking'. Yes, I am trying to sell my Ti. All I have said until now is true and it is meant to persuade someone to buy the Ti. I don't claim that the Ti is better than, say the 9600XT or the 5700 Ultra (though I find the latter a bit too expensive for the performance and features it offers). However, anyone who claims that the fx5200 (ultra or non-ultra) or the 5700 pure is in anyway faster or generally better than any of the Ti series, need to be institutionalized.

[tarey_g]

and here is a small story for some ppl who don't understand things right way....
(just 4 fun, I mean no personal comments on anyone in this forum)




There was a kid named Bholu . one day Bholu went to market to buy a underwear as he needed one ,he had 40 Rs in his pocket. on his way to the market he met his friend, his friend asked him "hey where r u going?" Bholu replied "I'm going to the market to buy underwear with ventilation technology 8.1". His friend said " Hey Bholu don’t go for the old ventilation technology try the new underwear’s with ventilation technology 9.0 these are far better than the 8.1's."

Man, Bholu was glad so both friends went to the shop together. First bholu asked for the underwear with ventilation technology 8.1 of his size ,the shopkeeper replied "40 Rs sir." , again bholu asked for the new underwear with ventilation technology 9.0 of his size , the shopkeeper replied "70 Rs only". Bholu was shocked "70 rs!!! its costly ". but his dumb friend had a wise suggestion " hey bholu u can buy a underwear of smaller size with ventilation technology 9.0 and it will cost u 35 rs and you will save 5 rs too. compromise anything bholu but not the new ventilation technology 9.0!!!!!" .

Poor bholu on the suggestion of his friend bought a smaller sized underwear with ventilation technology 9.0 . Pity......... he has to wear the small underwear for next few months with his butt and groin choked all the time.

but like all other stories this story has a happy ending ....he bought lollypops with the 5 rs he saved.




Bholu


awwwwww..... every thing choked down there

[AlphaOmega]

May be "bholu" can compromise by cutting back . OUCH!
And t_g, the 9.0 ventilation system is much more advanced than the 8.1. I should know !!

[freshseasons]

I think theres no point left in this topic..i .mean check any site,..most of them say tough Fx5200 supports direct x 9 it doenst have the power to run 9 X games ...then hell i ask Companies why give direct x 9 when the card is unable to run it in the first place...a Ti is hell a lot better...
And moreever i have lost damn money on Fx 5200 , until i got Gigabyte 5700 Fx Ultra....and man its good for me....