Basic Guide Purchase a New System

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

hey choto cheeta can u create a thread about C2D overclocking ?? in there tell about how to over clock it !! and to what levels each C2D can be safely overclocked and what RAM to use and its effects on GPU and also most importantly cooling it and its stability and stuff to use to cool it @ our homes coz we wont have all stuff that pro ppl have....well if u hv time and can do this then plzz do it

1 last question what about the warranty does it really matter coz my i hv never had problems with my intel CPU till date...so that means No need of warranty right ?? coz nothing will happen to CPU ?? right ??

but i dont really understand how will intel get to know if we over clock our C2D ??

[Choto Cheeta]

OK... Guys please take a Look that this bellow config as I am going add this to the main page...



SO please post ur views and suggestion on the Config...

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Media Center PCs

Purpose, Simply entertainment movies and music and some gaming

Budget

Well there can be 2 catagories only Higher Midrage of Rs. 35k to 45k and High range of more than 55 or even more than that....

I am going to suggst some options and then will present one config as Mid range and one as High range...

Processors

Well the PC will be playing some ultra High defination content... But still i guess any X2 or C2D or new Dual Cores will be enough to play those !!!!

AMD X2 3600+
AMD X2 4400+
AMD X2 4800+

Intel Dual Core E2140
Intel Dual Core E2160

Core 2 Duos (Any i suppose) E4300 up to the highest of them all, but as user Kniwor suggests dont buy 1066 FSB models and for new ones press on buying G0 Stepping ones...

Motherboards

This is quite tricky, as those who plans to run on board will have any few options, I think only boards which can play ultra High definations would be AMD690G based or new X3100 ones... but those who wants to go for grfx card can get any 8xxx ones of Nvidia which will be able to play without any issue

AMD

ASUS M2A-VM (AMD 690G / ATi x1250 / DVI out / Onboard 1 GB Share) < This one can run on board quite fine
MSI K9AGM2 (AMD 690v)
MSI / ASUS / Biostar Nvidia 6150 based boards
Combo Pack which comes with VIA Based boards and AMD 3600+ Procys

Intel

Please refer bellow (Right now its in the 1st page)

RAMs

Ones again refer to Kinwors posts for the RAM details.

Transcend or Kingstone DDR-II 667 Rs. 1900/- + TAX each Module
Transcend or Kingstone DDR-II 800 Rs. 2600/- + TAX each Module

HDDs

In this segment people are expected to store tons of Videos and Music on the PC, Bigger is better

160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2000/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX (16mb buffer) WD
320 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 3400/- + TAX (16mb buffer) WD

Grfx Card

Not a very highfy is needed though those who wants to run vista with DX10, for them its 8xxx ones

XFX / Zebronics 8400 Not sure yet !!!
XFX / Zebronics 8500 Zebronics is at Rs. 4400/- + TAX for the 256MB model
XFX / Zebronics 8600 XFX is at Rs. 6800/- + TAX for the 256MB model
XFX / Zebronics 8800 XFX one is at Rs. 13700/- + TAX for the 256MB model

TV Tuner Card

Cheap Local Brand like Frontech or Techcom sales around ar Rs. 650 to 850/-
Pinnacle FM+TV Tuner Supporting WinVista and WinXP + MCE is Rs. 2100/- + TAX

All comes with Remote control...

Cabby

As it would be one show off PC, so i guess http://www.zebronics.net/cabinets.asp or iBall cabbys can be think off...

But personally I like those local made Large Cabbis and they save a lot of money too u can get one well ventilated large Cabbi for Rs. 1200 to 1800 MAX

PSU

I would say in Kolkata brand like ColorSit, 450watts or 500 watts would be enough, find one like that one in ur places !!! as for Mid range Cooler Master 600 watts is at Rs. 3500/- Kolkata...

Display

This is the main part of the PC u are buying, try to spend as much possible here, i would say even go for GB RAM to buy a good display...

I would only list LCDs as they are the future now in big screens... allways opt for DVI out ones

View Sonic VG1930WM 19" Wide Screen Rs. 11900/- + TAX
Dell 22" E228wfp Rs. 19000/- + TAX

Peope I am open for suggestion here, not so good on LCDs so please suggest some 17" models and some more budget 22"

Speaker

5.1 would be minimum, any Onboard sound will allow High Defination 5.1

Creative 5.1 Inspire @ Rs. 3600/- + TAX

Once agian guyss please suggest some 7.1 options under 7k and more

Keyboard Mouse

My Personal fav Keyboard TVS Gold @ Rs. 1000/- + TAX (not multimedia)

Now there as Logitech and Microsoft Combo options out there Wireless and non-wireless go for one which u can afford....

Full Config I would suggest

X2 4400+ @ Rs. 4000
ASUS M2A-VM @ Rs. 3800
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ Rs. 3800
250 GB SATA-II WD 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700
DVD RW @ Rs. 1500
Pinnacle TV Tuner Card @ Rs. 2100/- + TAX
Cabby + ColorSit 500 SMPS @ Rs. 2200
22" Dell @ Rs. 19000
Creative 5.1 @ Rs. 3600
Microsoft Combo @ Rs. 750

Total Rs. 45188 incl 4% TAX stay onboard now add one GRfx Card later on

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Waiting for ur views

1 last question what about the warranty does it really matter coz my i hv never had problems with my intel CPU till date...so that means No need of warranty right ?? coz nothing will happen to CPU ?? right ??

Well really dont mind, but i find it ulta I am every now and then sending CPUs / Mobos / HDDs / RAM allmost every thing for warrenty from our cafe !!!!

they do break but thats the fun u can relax for 3 yrs unless u hardwarelly break some thing... like Overclocking and Burning the CPU or Mobo or RAM will mean no warrenty at all

hey choto cheeta can u create a thread about C2D overclocking ?? in there tell about how to over clock it !!

Well even I am getting quite a few Pms to refer to the Cooler threads that I should write step by step info, but guys, I am not a pro overclocker for sure.. !! I have still lot to learn, but yes, I would love to share what ever little I know about the Stuff

[Charan]

@Saurav thanks for putting up the Media center configuration. But I have something else in my mind. I would like to know about Very small cabinet like the one below.


Also did you forget to include a TV Tuner card? Media center doesnot enable one to watch TV??? can that be imagined?

I have a settop box so will many others who are willing to build a HTPC. To enable Settop box to work with Windows mediacenter PC or Vista we require that the Tuner card to have a inbuilt IR blaster.

More info about Setting up settop box with windows here and here

As we see this requires a very compact case so the mother board should not be a full ATX, one 16X Pci-E for graphics card , maybe two/three slots of PCI , one will be for the Tuner and maybe a second one if required for setting up Dual Tuner configuration , the third can be left for modem or other card.

I think you got my point .

Thanks
Charan

[Choto Cheeta]

Also did you forget to include a TV Tuner card? Media center doesnot enable one to watch TV??? can that be imagined?

hell yeah I forgot the main thing !!

[mukherjee]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

^^^

List the full config by Price which u have in mind please with E4400

and i would vote for single one GB 800MHz module (if price is not permiting 2x1) now as when u have chance add another 800 MHz

okk....here we go

C2D E4400......................5.2k+tax
XFX 650i ultra..................5k+tax
XFX 8600GT 256mb...........6.5k+tax
2*1GB DDR2667/2*512MB DDR2 800(?)........3.9k/????.......(need advice!!!):O
Seagate 250GB SATA2 7200.10.....3k+tax
Coolermaster Extreme Power 500W PSU.......3.5k+tax
Zebronics Antibiotics cabinet..........2k+tax

total=29.1+tax

Comments plz..........

[Kniwor]

saurav u do realize that to keep the thread useful u will have to update it every 1 month atleast, maybe more frequently....

[rajesh_nk22]

gr8 job

after reading this, upgrading comes in mind...

[BULLZI]

well Choto,how about posting a really high end config for hardcore gamers and hardware enthisiasts?
you have done a gr8 job putting up this thread.i am gonna use one of ur configs to assemble my next PC,thts for sure.
was really busy so unable to post sooner.sorry for tht,really awsome work,keep it up.

[vivekbabbudelhi]

for a htpc my suggestions:

1. speakers creative inspire 5.1 t6060 rs 4400/-
2. addon soundcard ....yeah onboard 7.1 hd is toooo much crappy
audigy value 7.1 rs 1400/- would rock , i bet
3. tv tuner
leadtek winfast tv 2000 xp global 10 bit conexant chipset is unbeatable at rs 2500/-

a review of speakers and tv tuners

4. monitor : 24" dell ultrasharp its a 8 bit s-pva with full 1080p over dvi-d & 1080i over component @ 40k much better than 26" crappy lcd tv's

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/prod...sd1&l=en&s=bsd

Originally Posted by sagargv

Hello,
I need your advice regarding TFT monitors .
My friend is buying a new pc . Which TFT monitor should he go for ? His needs include gaming and movie watching . He will onboard for 2 years and then upgrade to a g-card. so will amd prove to be better or will intel be the choice . If amd , which chipset ( 690G or nForce ?).On which onboard would the TFT work best ? His budget for the TFT is limited to 10-12k .
plz advice
thanks

my suggestion : amd 690g (asus m2a-vm)

for tft @12k only a tn panel is possible, look for a dvi-d hdcp enabled & try to expand budget upto 14k
perhaps samsung 940BW if u can find it or look for dell 19" they are superb

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/prod...sd1&l=en&s=bsd

[sid_sh85]

Ok guys...after much sniffing around dis post i went 2 my dealer n he quoted the following....


AMD Combo- 4200+ with 1)Asus M2AVM = Rs.7800
2) Asus M2NMX-SE = Rs.7600


Intel Combo- C2D 1.8\1066mhz with 1) Intel original 965 board = Rs.11000
2) MSI 945 Board = Rs.8700

So,
Amongst these wich one shud i go for considering tht i wud also b adding a 8600gt grpx card alongwith 512*2 ddr2 ram to the config......
Or u can also suggest better deals or cut-down in the above....
Also, wud the above upgradations show a significant difference above my sys???.....THANX

[Choto Cheeta]

Originally Posted by Kniwor

saurav u do realize that to keep the thread useful u will have to update it every 1 month atleast, maybe more frequently....

Yaar, cant i expected little help from u guys to keep the thread upto date...

as i said already not possible for one to gather all information and know about every stuff... so if u guy please post some updates and new stuff with street price of India (ur City) it will be very helpfull for me to keep the 1st page upto date with new configs and best prices !!!!

its hard for 1 guy for sure, simply not possible, but when we all post a little every month, do u think the thread would be outdated ever ??

that was the main idea of the thread, every one contributing a little.. and to sum up all those never ending post about new config needed, to get those under one roof !!!!

anyway, got some pretty intersting prices from KOlkata Market today... so can make one Budget Intel system !!!!

Budget Intel Sulution....

(All without bargaining, so expect cheaper when u actaully buy as then u get the chance to bargain...)

Intel Dual Core E2140 @ Rs. 2800/- + TAX

Foxconn 865G @ Rs. 1800/- + TAX
ASUS / MSI 945 Based Rs. 2350/- + TAX
ASUS P5B-MX (946) Rs. 2800/- + TAX
Intel DG33BU (G33 based GMA X3100) Rs. 5200/- + TAX (TL may be cheaper at Rs. 4800/- but not in market yet)

Grfx Card (If needed) XFX 8400 GS @ Rs. 2800/- + TAX

So, I guess one Budget Intel Sulution would look like this,

E2140 @ Rs. 2800/- + TAX
ASUS P5B-MX @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
XFX 8400 GS @ Rs. 2800/- + TAX
2 GB DDR-II 667 MHz @ Rs. 3800/- + TAX
160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2000/- + TAX
Cabby + SMPS (ColorSit) @ Rs. 2000/- + TAX
17" CRT @ Rs. 4300/- + TAX
Keyboard Mouse (Microsoft) @ Rs. 750/- + TAX
Creative 2.1 @ Rs. 1100/- + TAX

TAX @ 4% 890
Total 23140

Ur views guyess ?? i feel its a budget gaming system !!! though one may can allways opt for Intel DG33BU

OK... Updated the Media Center PC Configs to 1st page, thnx for Vivek for the LCD Suggestions Kinwor for the Suggestion of 8400 + Cheap Mobo rather Intel Sulutions...

Guys, please post some details of the 15" and 17" and 19" LCD segment

Originally Posted by BULZZI

well Choto,how about posting a really high end config for hardcore gamers and hardware enthisiasts?

the last part do give u an idea about that... but really hard to compile a highest end config if u need one then I would say How about Alienware or MAC Pro ???



and thnx for the comment

[vivekbabbudelhi]

@Choto Cheeta

i think leadtek winfast tv 2000xp global is also a good buy . it does not produces any sort of noise or bands whatsoever thanks to its 10bit decoder. 10bit conexant solutions >>>>> better than philips 9bit .
philips 9 bit decoder has banding problems.

leadtek winfast tv 2000xp also has powerdvd 5,6,7 support for dvd playback through its remote.

[Charan]

^^ is that card Vista certified? and also does it have a IR Blaster?

[vivekbabbudelhi]

one thing must be added FOR MEDIA CENTER PC

amd 690G & nvidia 7050 are hdcp enabled whereas nvidia 6150/6100 are NOT hdcp enabled.

[Choto Cheeta]

@vivekbabbudelhi

Can u please give me the exact product link of that card and Rs. 2500/- + TAX in India Right ??

[vivekbabbudelhi]

@Choto Cheeta
once again i would say dear u have done a great job

i have compro videomate tv gold plus 2 (9bit philips saa7134hl),leadtek winfast tv 2000xp global(10bit conexant cx23883-39) ,techcom ssd722plus
and i can say winfast 2000xp global due to its 10bit decoder is unmatchable regarding picture quality ,picture quality is as close as a 29" crt tv with 3d combo filter...believe me

price of leadtek winfast tv 2000xp global is rs 2400 + rs 96 tax= rs 2496 n.p newdelhi on 14 july 2007

http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/tv_tun...&pronameid=169

[BULLZI]

the last part do give u an idea about that... but really hard to compile a highest end config if u need one then I would say How about Alienware or MAC Pro ???



and thnx for the comment [/quote]

after getting my new Q6700 and Corsair Dominator ,i dont think i ll be needing a high end system nymore

[kushank]

can anyone suggest between the following 2 cpus:
C2D E6850
C2Quad Q6600

and based on the above 2 , which mobo should i go in for... stick to 1066fsb or 1333fsb?

price umm... not really matters that much, but has to be reasonable.. also am gettin the stuff from US from a friend.

[Choto Cheeta]

I would vote for the FSB 1333.... if i am an overclocking fan then E6850 would be my choise

also am gettin the stuff from US from a friend.

Getting a Core 2 System means Overclocking so, its wise to keep the Warrenty option open so, from US means no Local Indian Warrrenty !!

So, wait for other guys to reply

[Pathik]

i think u shd rather get a 6750... cos u can oc it to the levels of a 6850 easily.... also it wd be moe vfm..

[keith_j_snyder2]

Q 6600!! because if u are a multiple user or do multiple tasks simultaneously then Q6600 is your choice.
The Q6600 is a better choice because u are getting double cores for the same price. There's hardly a performance difference(Mostly) but when it comes to multi tasking the Q6600 takes all away.
Its like choosing between Single core and Dual-Core.
My personal opinion is go for Q6600 where its L2 Cache is double as compared to E6850.

[shyamno]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

Mid Range Performance Upgrade

Budget 25k to 30k...

This is a performance upgarde for those who wants OverClocing for some performance Boost... and good gaming

E6420 @ Rs. 7800/- + TAX
650i Ultra 5000/- + TAX
2 GB DR-II 667 @ Rs. 3800/- + TAX
160 GB SATA-II @ Rs. 2000/- + TAX
DVD RW @ Rs. 1400/- + TAX
Cabby with SMPS (ColorSit 450/500 Watts) @ Rs. 1200/- + TAX
XFX 8600 GT @ Rs. 6800/- + TAX

TAX @ Rs. 1152/-

Total @ 29952/-

guys.....can anyone ..please modify some items with....correct prices such that..the system gets ..bundled in and around 34K (my budget)

I don't want any graphics card..so pls suggest me a good mobo with onboard graphics.

Also adjust the price for a better proce..also I don't want to go for 5.1 ..a simple 2.1 is just more than enough...

[keith_j_snyder2]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

XFX / Zebronics 8800 XFX one is at Rs. 13700/- + TAX for the 256MB model

Dear friend i think u should check that again because no 8800 is of 256MB, the 8800 series starts from 320 MB - 768 MB.
The above one must be 8600 GTS.
Please check it again.
Thanks in Advance!

[Choto Cheeta]

Originally Posted by keith_j_snyder2

Dear friend i think u should check that again because no 8800 is of 256MB, the 8800 series starts from 320 MB - 768 MB.
The above one must be 8600 GTS.
Please check it again.
Thanks in Advance!

THnx for pointing that out, no it is 8800 but yes 320 MB !!! quoted from Saboo Computers Kolkata Chandi

@shyamno

can u please tell us ur need ?? and u are one have to buy Intel FAN ?? so i mean u would need to go with intel ?? or AMD would be fine for u ?? !!!

[keith_j_snyder2]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

THnx for pointing that out, no it is 8800 but yes 320 MB !!! quoted from Saboo Computers Kolkata Chandi

Man why didn't they put New Delhi and Kolkata togather because the card is really Cheap bro!!!
U won't find this card for this much price, here if u ask Nehru Place guys they will quote 17K for the same card!

[Choto Cheeta]

Man why didn't they put New Delhi and Kolkata togather because the card is really Cheap bro!!!
U won't find this card for this much price, here if u ask Nehru Place guys they will quote 17K for the same card!

Cant comment... as i wont go and ask them why the price is so low but yeah sure, u can ask ur vendor why the price is so high

anyway Personally I am thinking of buying one 8400 GS !!! Rs. 2800/- + TAX

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

off topic : just for info Guys.........me and my friend got this PC today for him in b'lore SP road !!!!

ASUS M2NPV-VM with HDTV out !!!! on board Geforce 6150 !!! Price 4200 RS

AMD X2 5000+ 5100 Rs !!!!

SATA 160 GB 2000 Rs !!!!

Transcend 800 Mhz 1 GB DDR2 RAM original 2100 Rs ( bargained from 2300 Rs )

450 Watt Techcom powersupply with Dual fan cabinet 1550 Rs !!!
that's all we bought as we had rest of stuff....enjoy the prices !!
was giving AMD 5200 X2 at 5750 Rs after heavy bargaining bud instead went for 5000 X2 as this what all we need for Programming and surfing and gaming rearely

[shyamno]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

@shyamno

can u please tell us ur need ?? and u are one have to buy Intel FAN ?? so i mean u would need to go with intel ?? or AMD would be fine for u ?? !!!

..My friend want to have a new system....his budget is around 35K including the printer....and it really doesn't matter whether its Intel or AMD...what matters is that he want to get the ..best possible combination...for ...amateur gamming (not a hardcore gaming freek).....and a little bit of...multimedia and encoding movies etc...

[Choto Cheeta]

X2 price is certainly looks very attractive will put the board and Procy in the 1st page for optional configs

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

i dont remember but he just said intel core 2 duo 2.66 ghz is 8.0k !!!!!
hv to call up and verify.......in that state of heavy thinking and discussion with my friend i forgot to ask the price for Intel C2D.....have to call him up and ask tom !!!