Basic Guide Purchase a New System

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

so does xfx650i ultra has all over clocking options ??
can i plug in a E6550 and over clock it to 3 Ghz ?? what's the max ??
and upto how much can i over clock the E6750 ??? 4 ghz ???

also my frnd is buying a( MOBO + CPU + RAM + PSU )right this week or next....what shld he go for gaming as of now we are thinking of AMD coz cheaper as budget is 15k....?? may be add a gfx card later

mean while i will upgrade in dec 2007 or jan 08 i think i will go for the next gen phenom procys !! well if they beat Core 2 and turn out cheaper that is !!

[Pathik]

i had read on some forum that a 6750 easily does around 3.2ghz..

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

^ ok thanks !! dats like extreme only..!!

so what all mobo support DDR3 and overclocking ?? any chance that DDR3 cost might come down by jan 08 ??

[Choto Cheeta]

also my frnd is buying a( MOBO + CPU + RAM + PSU )right this week or next....what shld he go for gaming as of now we are thinking of AMD coz cheaper as budget is 15k....?? may be add a gfx card later

well intel may not come in that budget, though,

I can suggest,

E2140 (New Pentium Dula Core) Rs. 3400/- + TAX
ASUS P5B-VM (Intel X3000 GMA) Rs. 7000/- + TAX
2GB DDR-II 667 MHz @ Rs. 3800/- + TAX
In Kolkata a modarate brnd SMPS of ColorSit 500 watts would be Rs. 1500/- + TAX

TAX @ 4% total Rs. 16328/-

So I think AMD would be a good option...

AMD X2 3600+ @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
ASUS M2A-VM @ Rs. 3600/- + TAX (AMD 690G / ATi x1250)
2 GB DDR-II @ 3800/- + TAX
ColorSit 500 watts Rs. 1500/- + TAX

Rs. 12064/- Incl TAX



would be a good config just later on add one Grfx card, or as u have a 15k budget u may go for AMD X2 4200+ Procy @ Rs. 3400 + TAX or buy some extra RAM as onboard x1250 ATI will allow u to share up to 1GB RAM for the VGA

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

heyy 1 of those ASUS M2A mobo is nforce and geforce 610 and it costs 3.6k in b'lore so why go for Via chipset instead go for nvidia !!
thanks for ur suggestions........as now i can be sure that the config that we were thinking is alright according to an MVP and experienced user !!
we will actually use AMD 5200 or AMD 5400 !! coz that prize is ok !

only prob being gfx card.....so way out is collect money now and get 1 later....
i will try to convince him forget gaming !! and foucs on other stuff like foruming gyming girls studing researching hacking etc etc !!
his psu got busted last week....he is been offline since then...so must get a new psu instead he plans to get a new cpu all together
thanks a lot

hey its actaully m2n !!
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?m...=3&l2=101&l3=0
sorry made a mistake

[Choto Cheeta]

Originally Posted by ""aks_win

heyy 1 of those AMD M2A mobo is nforce and geforce 610 and it costs 3.6k in b'lore so why go for Via chipset instead go for nvidia !!

What ??

M2A-VM is AMD690 Chipset !!!! Neither nvidia or VIA is coming in to picture, what are u trying topoint my friend ??

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?m...&l2=101&l3=496

[sabret00the]

OMG Choto Cheeta wat a wonderfully posted thread

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

ok what do say ??
which is better coz price wise both are same !!

the asus mobo nforce m2n with geforce onboard or amd chipset one with ATI onboard ??

[Pathik]

the amd 690g is better than the nforce 430+ geforce6150se...
just one drwback that 690g supports only shader model 2.0 while 6150se suppoorts sm3.0..

[mukherjee]

a rocking thread.........deserved to be sticky.

well,i hv an upgrade in mind...my budget is 25k.

need a decent cpu + mobo + g.card + 2GB RAM + 250GB SATA2 HDD + at least 500W true PSU + Cabinet

wat wud be the ideal config.

plz mention both amd nd intel.

elaborate abt psu also.

[Choto Cheeta]

@sabret00the

Thnx bobby for the comment, yaar, u have good contact in supreem naa ?? i think they are the dealer of View Soniq in Kolkata so, pls post some Price of View Soniq LCDs naa .. from 15" to 22: if possible offcourse

Originally Posted by aks_win

only prob being gfx card.....so way out is collect money now and get 1 later....
i will try to convince him forget gaming !! and foucs on other stuff like foruming gyming girls studing researching hacking etc etc !!

Well see, M2A-VM with AMD690G is one of the best for AMD platfor out there, its cheap doesnt mean its a bad board... onboard ATi x1250 is good enough to run any preset game in low settings

So He will be able to play any game with that On board GRFX, just make sure u are getting 2 GB RAM... as u can share upto 1 GB though I thing 256MB will be enough

Regarding procy, I would say its either the New 5200+ with 2MB L2 or stick with 4200+ save some money there !!! as for gaming i feel the 4200+ is good enough... and 5200+ comes with 2mb l2 so if u can buy that it would be better !!!

@mukherjee

Thnx for the comment

Originally Posted by mukherjee

well,i hv an upgrade in mind...my budget is 25k.

need a decent cpu + mobo + g.card + 2GB RAM + 250GB SATA2 HDD + at least 500W true PSU + Cabinet

What will be the use of the pc ??

[Kniwor]

Good post saurav, thanks for getting my attention to it.

Here's my opinions,
for a budget gaming PC@25k
Replace E4400 with an E4300, it costa 1k less.
Use cheapest c2D board and add a graphics card to it.

let's see,

E4300 @ 4100k
P5B-MX wi/fi - 3600/-
2Gb ram - 3800/-
Liteon DVD RW - 1500
Zeb 8500GT - 4400
160Gb - 1600
Cab + SMPS - 2500
17" CRT - 4400
Creative 370 - 1100
KB + Mouse - 800
UPS APC - 2000/-

Total 29800/-

with a DX10 graphic card, this should perform reasonable in games, wifi can be useful for those who have the facility, or u can save another 500 bucks by choosing a non-wifi board.


Also replace any 6320's and 6420's u have used in the configurations above, by 6550's and 6750's, same price, much better.

The new processors are G0 stepping guys, they run much cooler than the older 1066Mhz B2 steppings, and overclock much better. They are cheaper too!!!
so get E6550 and E6750's. Here is a useful quote of my post in another thread....

Originally Posted by Kniwor

Hey the G0 steppings are much better, they clock higher than the Older B2 steppings, i.e. the older E6600's etc... (they are B2) They also run cooler.

Help~Is~Here is also well confused on the steppings of older processors, and I will suggest him to stop making incorrect comments, There is no E6600 B3 stepping...lol

The old E6700's, E6600's , E6420's , E6320's, E6400's, E6300's are B2 stepping.

The really old E6300's and E6400's are L2 stepping
The E4300's is L2 stepping.

The E4400's and E4500's are M0 steppings.

The only B3 Stepping processors are the SL9UM Q6600, QX6800 and QX6700.

The prices of E6600 is higher everywhere because it is to be phased out, and hence Intel did not decrease it's price. Buying an E6600 is totally pointless right now.
An E6550 is a much better processor as compared to E6600, and is a lot cheaper, the E6750 PWNS them all. and then of-course, we have E6850, which is again, only G0 stepping.

As far as ram is concerned, n my opinion, a rated DDR2 800 from transcend should be preferable over a DDR2 667 from OCZ/Corsair etc..
Though, while getting ram, u should be concerned over what chip is being used in the ram modules. ProMOS, Elpida, Micron, Hynix are the major chip makers, and have their range of chips, the Microns are the best, namely Micron D9GKX, followed by Micron D9GMH, I'm not well informed on the performance of the Micron D9GCT but it is lower than that of the other two, microns can take high voltages, and overclock very well. High end ram modules also use Elpida and ProMOS chips (DDR2 -800 modules), but these don't overclock very will, and will die if too much voltage is given. A micron D9GMH on a good PCB is what a constrained enthusiast should be looking at, if no money issues, get a D9GKX based ram. Good 2x2Gb ram is still ridiculously expensice, dunno why though.

As far as motherboards are concerned, Saurav u might wanna change a few motherboard selections in ur configurations, integrated solutions for some reason are really pathetic, and try to couple a cheap gfx card in the machine somehow, also, for the overclocking fans, u might wanna replace the P965 based boards with P35 based boards, they give a better clock-to-clock performance, and overclock better too, I guess they are available now in india, and prices are now reasonable.

I am too lazy to rework those configurations, and I'm also sure u can do it better than me, so I guess we can hope to see minor improvements here n there. Thanks again for the great post.


EDIT: seems the P35 based Biostar TP35D2-A7 is available for around 6.5k-7k, pls confirm people. Otherwise P35 boards still seem expensive, and P965 is a good option.

[gxsaurav]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

So He will be able to play any game with that On board GRFX, just make sure u are getting 2 GB RAM... as u can share upto 1 GB though I thing 256MB will be enough

AMD 690G doesn't support shared memory upto 1 GB I guess

[vivekbabbudelhi]

Lcd-tft monitors buying reference

Basically there are two types of lcd monitors:

• 6+2 bit (with dithering) TN panels i.e. these are native 6 bit panels.
• Native 8 bit S-IPS or S-PVA panels

As it suggests TN panels suffer a lot as far as color reproduction is concerned but they have good response times and are suitable for gaming. Their size is anything from 15”-22”.viewing angles 160-160 degrees.

Native 8 bit panels are best known for color accuracy. But as they are expensive to manufacture they are mostly limited to 20” and above size and hence tagged as premium panels’. These are best for movies. Viewing angles 178-178 degrees.

Inputs: DVI-D & analog vga are most common inputs ; component, composite , s-video inputs are found in addition to DVI-D & vga in premium 8 bit panels.

Among all of them DVI-D produces sharpest images with best details as its digital so never miss it out . DVI-D or HDMI can only have HDCP capability.

HDCP has screwed out everything. Hdcp enabled monitor can only play protected hd content in high definition resolution. For hd on pc u need a hdcp enabled gpu or else u can hook a standalone hd player via hdmi to dvi-d cable directly to dvi-d with hdcp enabled input of lcd monitor.

Many people have misconception that DVI-D means hdcp capability but this is not true . DVI-D CAN BE OR CANNOT BE HDCP ENABLED. So specifically look for DVI-D with HDCP enabled if watching protected HD content is your aim in near future.



For more reading & monitor specifications refer:



http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles...chnologies.htm

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/specs.htm

www.tftcentral.co.uk

[Charan]

@Vivek Babu. A request Can you please create a new thread for Buying Reference of LCD/HD ? That way we can keep the discussion seperate.
Thanks

[Choto Cheeta]

@charangk

I have invited vivekbabbudelhi and guys like Kniwor to this thread via PM to comment on the LCD/ RAMs / High end systems, as I will update my 1st page with his comment...

What it does it it help all new buyers to get all reqources from one thread, the main purpose of this thread is to sum up all those never ending posts about new config and new computer

@gx_saurav

Well It does, even I gave given the link also, please refer here once agian

Originally Posted by M2A-VM Specifications

Integrated ATI Radeon X1250-based graphics
Maximum shared memory of 1024 MB
Supports DVI-D with max. resolution 2560x1600 (@ 60Hz)
(It may not display 1080p smoothly when playing HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc due to current version player limit)
Supports RGB with max. resolution 2048 x 1536 (@85Hz)
Dual VGA output support:
RGB & DVI
Note: DVI-D can not be converted to output RGB Signal to CRT.

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?m...01&l3=496&l4=0

@vivekbabbudelhi

Some model number with Price will really help

15" Segment (Lowest and Best and best in terms of Vaule for Money)
17" Segment (Lowest and Best and best in terms of Vaule for Money)
19" Segment (Lowest and Best and best in terms of Vaule for Money)
19" Segment Wide Screen (Lowest and Best and best in terms of Vaule for Money)
22" Segment (Lowest and Best and best in terms of Vaule for Money)

and really thnx for the inputs...



@Kniwor

Thnx a ton for the inputs...

Originally Posted by Kniwor

for the overclocking fans, u might wanna replace the P965 based boards with P35 based boards, they give a better clock-to-clock performance, and overclock better too, I guess they are available now in india, and prices are now reasonable.

Even I want to give those, but I am unable to digg up prices from Local Market !!! I would be really glad if you can post model by model prices from either ur local market or from quoteing the Sources

Originally Posted by Kniwor

As far as motherboards are concerned, Saurav u might wanna change a few motherboard selections in ur configurations, integrated solutions for some reason are really pathetic

Suggest me some option with price quote !!! like suppose when asking some one to Buy P5B-VM for 7k... we can input XFX 650i Ultra for 5k, but 6200 LE for 2k is really not perforimg upto GMA X3000, so from Local market price point a view do suggest some Card under that 2k price range which can performe better than P5B-VM

and any other board u want me to replace ???

[Kniwor]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

Suggest me some option with price quote !!! like suppose when asking some one to Buy P5B-VM for 7k... we can input XFX 650i Ultra for 5k, but 6200 LE for 2k is really not perforimg upto GMA X3000, so from Local market price point a view do suggest some Card under that 2k price range which can performe better than P5B-VM

and any other board u want me to replace ???

hmm... u have a point here, but why dont we try a graphics card on a cheap C2D microATX board, clock to clock the board will perform bit slower, but the graphics will be good, for example

what say be replace P5B-VM - 7k with
cheap 946 board - 3-3.5k
Zeb 8500GT - 4400/- (or a cheaper gfx card maybe)

We loose features that's right, in the end it boils down to personal preference, but I'd rather have the 8500GT by my side. In any case i dont suppose OC'ing is a good idea at this budget.

[Choto Cheeta]

Originally Posted by Kniwor

We loose features that's right, in the end it boils down to personal preference, but I'd rather have the 8500GT by my side. In any case i dont suppose OC'ing is a good idea at this budget.

Quite true, in that case tell me G33 based intel ones, I was told in local Kolkata market those will be priced belloe DG965RY !!!! if no OCing for sure, then how about those options ??

How about option of 8400 ?? to cut down farther with 3k based P5B MX ones ?? and speaking for Budget Intel, those Dual Core E2140 aint bad !! ??

[Charan]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

I have invited vivekbabbudelhi and guys like Kniwor to this thread via PM to comment on the LCD/ RAMs / High end systems, as I will update my 1st page with his comment...

What it does it it help all new buyers to get all reqources from one thread, the main purpose of this thread is to sum up all those never ending posts about new config and new computer

Oops I didnt know about your plans , no problem then Five stars give to this thread

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^^

Thnx for the Starts

and make no miss-take all (including u) are invited to post the suggetions and Views !!!

[a_k_s_h_a_y]

common choto every 1 has unique needs....u will hv to suggest them accordingly in this thread !!! that would be better !!
i mean with some modifications to the standard ones put up in the 1st page !!


those links man arrange them properly !! all of them at the bottom of POST 1 !!

also those price links make Little Large and colourful Text and mention the links
this will make it more presentable !!

[Charan]

Yes I also want suggessions on HTPC ( Home Theater PC ) . Please include this also in the list. It should have a good processor and GFX card should produce good output in both CRT TV and LCD TV's , Basically these kind of PC's will be having wireless KB/Mouse.

[Choto Cheeta]

common choto every 1 has unique needs....

Certainly they have, thats why title says Basic Guide...

u will hv to suggest them accordingly in this thread !!! that would be better !!

Its not about me Suggesting, even ome one when asks question here, all (including u) are welcome and expected to post ur comment on that question....

i mean with some modifications to the standard ones put up in the 1st page !!

Didnt get the point, options are already sugggested, and as i said its a basic guide so when one need to make changes is expected to post that question here

Originally Posted by Charan

Yes I also want suggessions on HTPC ( Home Theater PC ) . Please include this also in the list. It should have a good processor and GFX card should produce good output in both CRT TV and LCD TV's , Basically these kind of PC's will be having wireless KB/Mouse.

Missed that !!! Thnx for reminding... will build up one config tonight !!!

[Kniwor]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

Quite true, in that case tell me G33 based intel ones, I was told in local Kolkata market those will be priced belloe DG965RY !!!! if no OCing for sure, then how about those options ??

How about option of 8400 ?? to cut down farther with 3k based P5B MX ones ?? and speaking for Budget Intel, those Dual Core E2140 aint bad !! ??

That would be even better actually.... I guess u should include a config like that.

[mukherjee]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

@mukherjee

Thnx for the comment



What will be the use of the pc ??

well,of course..GAMING

[phuchungbhutia]

i have asus a8v mx mobo amd 64 3000 venice
Memory spec:
- Support for the dual-channel DDR266/333/400 MHz memory,
- Two 184-pin DDR DIMM memory modules.
- Maximum memory capacity 2 GB.

now i want to know the diff bw DDR and DDR2

will there be prob if upgrading my memory with DDR2 ram ...

what are the options that i hav

[Choto Cheeta]

Originally Posted by phuchungbhutia

will there be prob if upgrading my memory with DDR2 ram ...

Not much Only One RAM will be damaganed and system wont workd

anyway sorry for the joke, more seriuslly,

No ur Motherboard comes with 184pin DDR Connector for RAM modules of DDR 266/333/400, where as DDR-II rams need 240pin connectors with motherboard supporting DDR-II 533/667/800 ...

So in ur case DDR-II Rams wont fit in hense will not work...

now i want to know the diff bw DDR and DDR2

Googling DDR-II vs DDR will give better results,

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem...play/ddr2.html

http://www.overclockercafe.com/Artic...DDR2/index.htm

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem.../ddr2-ddr.html

what are the options that i hav

but 1st u need to tell us ur problem

@Mr. Mukherjee

Intel Option

Pentium Dual Core E2140 @ 3400/- + TAX
XFX 650i Ultra @ 5000/- + TAX
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ 3800/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II WD 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
XFX 8600 GT @ Rs. 6800/- + TAX
Cabby + ColorSit 500 SMPS @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX

Total Rs. 24856 incl 4 % VAT


AMD Option

AMD X2 4400+ @ 4000/- + TAX
ASUS M2A-VM @ 3800/- + TAX
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ 3800/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II WD 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
XFX 8600 GT @ Rs. 6800/- + TAX
Cabby + ColorSit 500 SMPS @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX

Total Rs. 24232/- incl 4 % TAX

Prices will varry here and there !!! u just have to bargain a little, if u see still u can fit things in, no harm getting a 4200 or 3800 !!!! just make sure they are the new 1MB L2 based procys

[keith_j_snyder2]

Originally Posted by phuchungbhutia

i have asus a8v mx mobo amd 64 3000 venice
Memory spec:
- Support for the dual-channel DDR266/333/400 MHz memory,
- Two 184-pin DDR DIMM memory modules.
- Maximum memory capacity 2 GB.

now i want to know the diff bw DDR and DDR2

will there be prob if upgrading my memory with DDR2 ram ...

what are the options that i hav

As Chota Cheeta already mentioned but if u wanna use the DDR 2 RAM then u have to buy
1. DDR 2 RAM
2.A new motherboard.
3. A new processor.

So the idea is either change ur entire config or stick with the old DDR RAM/s & add another slot of the identical size of ur RAM OR wait for the right time to upgrade.

[mukherjee]

Originally Posted by Choto Cheeta

@Mr. Mukherjee

Intel Option

Pentium Dual Core E2140 @ 3400/- + TAX
XFX 650i Ultra @ 5000/- + TAX
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ 3800/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II WD 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
XFX 8600 GT @ Rs. 6800/- + TAX
Cabby + ColorSit 500 SMPS @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX

Total Rs. 24856 incl 4 % VAT


AMD Option

AMD X2 4400+ @ 4000/- + TAX
ASUS M2A-VM @ 3800/- + TAX
2GB DDR-II 667MHz @ 3800/- + TAX
250 GB SATA-II WD 16mb Buffer @ Rs. 2700/- + TAX
XFX 8600 GT @ Rs. 6800/- + TAX
Cabby + ColorSit 500 SMPS @ Rs. 2200/- + TAX

Total Rs. 24232/- incl 4 % TAX

Prices will varry here and there !!! u just have to bargain a little, if u see still u can fit things in, no harm getting a 4200 or 3800 !!!! just make sure they are the new 1MB L2 based procys

No thanks...no AMD...am INTEL

sticking wid e4400.(ne other options?)

hdd=250Gb seagate 7200.10 SATA 2..16mb and all

psu coolermaster extreme power 500W+Zeb antibiotics--->nice?

now tell people....shud i go for 2x512MB DDR2 800 Mhz RAM or 2x1GB DDR2 667 Mhz RAM? wat will be the price/performance difference?i intend to use dualchannel setup.

[Choto Cheeta]

^^^

List the full config by Price which u have in mind please with E4400

and i would vote for single one GB 800MHz module (if price is not permiting 2x1) now as when u have chance add another 800 MHz