PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q4

[Extreme Gamer]

the point is that the production run's target is an 8 core processor. We did not get quad core gulftown chips

[linuxman]

Intel Core i5 2500k is only 11700? Is it from primeabgb.com?

[$$Lionking$$]

Extreme Gamer - No no the target is not at all more than 6 core be it intel or amd.

Here is how 8/10/12 cores are achieved..... AMD MCM Opteron(Socket G34 LO-LGA 1944 pin) you can see 2 processor die in a single chip packaging.... intel does the same... for higher core count cpus....

[Extreme Gamer]

Extreme Gamer - No no the target is not at all more than 6 core be it intel or amd.

Here is how 8/10/12 cores are achieved..... AMD MCM Opteron(Socket G34 LO-LGA 1944 pin) you can see 2 processor die in a single chip packaging.... intel does the same... for higher core count cpus....

You would be correct for i7 Gen. 1.

Right now they use the laser for SB-E.

[$$Lionking$$]

they use laser for what?!

[Extreme Gamer]

You've never heard of it?!

High precision lasers are used to separate faulty segments from the main circuit so that the bad chips can still be sold. It can also be done to keep the products within the thermal envelope.

Why do you think intel has 20 (exaggeration, more like 12-15)different processors from the same die?

The part you mentioned is used in case yields are very good, so as to substantiate numbers. Bloomfield got that treatment; one QPI link was ignored except to keep the processor components in sync. After that it gets physically disabled.

[Cilus]

Too much off topic discussion is going on. This is not a right place to discuss procerssor architecture, so please don't continue the fighting here.

And Extreme Gamer, The laser cut part... I didn't understand the relevance of it. I guess Lionking is telling that 6+ core chips are basically Multi-Chip Package (Like the Pentium D processors), having 4 to 8 cores per module in the package. Could you please elaborate a little?

[Shivam24]

I would like to ask why you guys did not considered AMD FX series processors, mainly the FX8120 and 8150, as according to me they should be included in high end budgets, as their price vs. performance is better than intel's price vs. performance i think...

[vickybat]

^^ Nope they are not recommended and they don't offer good performance for the price.

[Jaskanwar Singh]

Those who are recommending FSP 500w to people: do note that it uses a 4 pin ATX connector. Some people might start getting into the habit of checking the connectors and features before running blind and posting it around without even thinking.

Just my 2 cents .

no, see this -
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4+4 pin

BTW which psu is this?
Buy Corsair Builder Series VS 450 Power Supply in Mumbai India

[The Sorcerer]

but it was such a vfm psu

I've said it before: I know about 400w unit, that is similar to Gigabyte Superb 460. Anything other than that with FSP is something I don't know. I don't know what vfm part you're referring to, but that 500w unit was always 4 pin ATX connector.

[Jaskanwar Singh]

sorcy post updated

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but yes the FSP Saga II 400 uses 4 pin connector. i used it before.

[Shivam24]

Can anybody explain me logicwise why AMD FX series processors have not been recommended?

[Jaskanwar Singh]

Can anybody explain me logicwise why AMD FX series processors have not been recommended?

a Phenom II 1100T BE beats FX8120 in most things.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T versus FX-8120 Performance Guide

[$$Lionking$$]

Extreme Gamer - Yeah... I was saying what Cilus explained... So I cudnt figure out where did lasers come from??! hehehe..

anyways... any update on Asus situation?

Shivam - FX 8120 shud be definitely considered... because every week here atleast 5 guys are coming and saying hey we want a rendering machine.... and for less than 2500k... and with 8 cores 8120 definitely deserves a mention!!!

a Phenom II 1100T BE beats FX8120 in most things.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T versus FX-8120 Performance Guide

Jaskanwar - Bhai, 1100T beats it in most things but in purely core oriented apps the case is reversed.... isnt it??

[Shivam24]

a Phenom II 1100T BE beats FX8120 in most things.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T versus FX-8120 Performance Guide

i am not asking to replace amd with amd FX, but with intel i5/7 in your high end gaming configs.
please visit the link:
AMD FX Competitive Comparison
if the reasons stated in above link are true then why not suggest AMD FX series, if these are false, then give me the proof...
as they seems to be better than i5/i7 series, ....

[MegaMind]

i am not asking to replace amd with amd FX, but with intel i5/7 in your high end gaming configs.
if these are false, then give me the proof...
as they seems to be better than i5/i7 series, ....

8150 vs 2500k
8150 vs 2600k

Count it yourself & see which is better...

[The Sorcerer]

There is a 4 pin 500w FSP unit that is available easily. If anyone is recommending it, mention the series as well. I am not sure of the rev version either, but keep these in mind before recommending it to anyone.

[vickybat]

i am not asking to replace amd with amd FX, but with intel i5/7 in your high end gaming configs.
please visit the link:
AMD FX Competitive Comparison
if the reasons stated in above link are true then why not suggest AMD FX series, if these are false, then give me the proof...
as they seems to be better than i5/i7 series, ....

The link you provided comes from amd themselves and its to bias people. Read unbiased and neutral reviews to know more.

[Shivam24]

8150 vs 2500k
8150 vs 2600k

Count it yourself & see which is better...

but don't you see there is a price difference of 3k between 8150 and 2600k, which you have just compared in above link, Provided below is the link of a leading shop in Delhi, prices given are final, inclusive all taxes...
http://www.costtocost.in/list/pricelist.pdf
now you tell me which is better...

OK FINE, I HAVE SEARCHED FOR THE COMPARISONS BETWEEN 2500 AND 8150, AND ITS BEEN CLEAR TO ME THAT 8150 IS A DISSAPOINTMENT...
AMD FX-8150 vs. Core i5-2500K and Core i7-2600K CPU Review | Hardware Secrets
Power Consumption: FX 8150 v i5 2500k v i7 2600k | KitGuru
AMD Bulldozer FX Processors Benchmark Results vs Core i7 2600K - Lenzfire
ISSUE SOLVED!!!!

[The Sorcerer]

How many of you guys know about this: http://svgtech.net

[Extreme Gamer]

intel doesn't follow that design. During fabbing, they either don't focus on unwanted segments beyond synchronization(lasting off the rudimentary section later) or they laser off bad segments of failed chips to get some ROI.

If AMD's method was followed, LGA 2011 would not be shared by both desktop and server. Traditionally intel's designs have not been as modular as amd's.

No update on asus situation

[vickybat]

How many of you guys know about this: svg tech

Nope didn't knew about this. Are they good?

[Jaskanwar Singh]

There is a 4 pin 500w FSP unit that is available easily. If anyone is recommending it, mention the series as well. I am not sure of the rev version either, but keep these in mind before recommending it to anyone.

its not Saga II 500. its Saga+ 500R you are talking about.

[Jaskanwar Singh]

check till 70k -

Spoiler:

Motherboard Notes -
1. rev 3.1 of Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P is better for overclocking. rev 4.0 cuts on phases to 3+1 instead of 4+1. Also rev3.1 hits its capability threshold with an x6 at 1.45V protective shutdown at this point despite cooling. And rev3.1 supports 140w processors onstead of 95w support of rev4.0. So try to find rev3.1 of that board.

2. Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H also has same case. rev3.1 is better. has 4+1 phase design and supports 140w processors and oppsoed to 95w support and 3+1 phase of rev4.0.

Sub 20k (Best for office work,movies,downloading)


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Sub 25k (Best for office work, multimedia)


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Sub 30k (Casual gaming,multi media)


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Sub 35k (Entry level gaming,multi media)


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Sub 40k (Mid range gaming,multi media)


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Sub 60k (High end gaming)


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Sub 70k (High end gaming)

Biostar TZ68K+ review -
Biostar TZ68K+ - Energy-Efficient LGA1155 Mainboard for Thrifty Users - X-bit labs

[Cilus]

Jas, in the Sub 50K one, I think we can go with AMD Phenom II X6 1090T @ 8.8K + CM Hyper 212 EVO @ 2K combo. This config really offers better tweaking capability and Multi-threaded performance than i5 2400.

[saz]

How many of you guys know about this: svg tech

well, I was following this guy last year on another forum (here) who was
working on the Liquid cooling project but I was not sure if his project was successful as the website link was not working. But glad to see he was finally able to come up with successful liquid cooling solution

[Brazen]

Intel Core i5 2500k is only 11700? Is it from primeabgb.com?

Yes same question here Any online Store where We can buy 2500K for this price ???

[Jaskanwar Singh]

MSI Active Phase Control blowing

Jas, in the Sub 50K one, I think we can go with AMD Phenom II X6 1090T @ 8.8K + CM Hyper 212 EVO @ 2K combo. This config really offers better tweaking capability and Multi-threaded performance than i5 2400.

http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/pc-c...ml#post1558127

Yes same question here Any online Store where We can buy 2500K for this price ???

updates are coming.

guys is Intel Core i7 2600K worth at 18.9k for 100k rig? or 2500k + 7970.

[d3p]

2500k + Asus P8Z68 Pro + 7970....My Vote.