PC Buying Guide 2012 - Q4

[Extreme Gamer]

At kolkata, one have to pre-order them through Intel Supply Chain of retailers.

My point holds: you CAN get Xeons in India

[d6bmg]

^^ But I'm sure price will be in the higher side. :'-(

[Extreme Gamer]

^^ But I'm sure price will be in the higher side. :'-(

About par with the 3960X mate

[vickybat]

My point holds: you CAN get Xeons in India

Not a practical option. Imo nothing should be mentioned in this guide which is not practically viable easily.

Nothing is wrong with the 3930x chip.

[whitestar_999]

Not a practical option

neither is spending 1.3 lakh or above on a home pc build

[Tenida]

I've mentioned na, the total price would be around 1.5L once the rupee-dollar ratio stabilizes.

Wtf!! 60K for a processor is not worth for home use... BTW. how was the syndey trip??

[Skud]

Nor even 36k. Plus additional platform cost.

[vickybat]

@ whitestar_999

Well its a special case for a certain kind of usage. You don't add server components for a home build do you?

3930x is relatively cheaper than its big brother and performs nearly same. In heavily multithreaded environments, its 50% more performance than 2600k. Also not to forget the additional lanes and memory bandwidth the x79 platform brings with it.

Its not a general build but meant for professionals and gamers who don't mind spending more for a particular usage. In that sense, i said getting a xeon isn't practical. It wasn't money.

[Skud]

Professionals (or if you are talking about workstations) would most probably prefer a Xeon over SNB-E.

[Extreme Gamer]

Not a practical option. Imo nothing should be mentioned in this guide which is not practically viable easily.

Nothing is wrong with the 3930x chip.

Then you dont know anything about it.

It is a BINNED CPU. It is not the "extreme chip" you were looking for. Unlike Gulftown, which truly was an extreme chip, this is the waste maal of the server/WS line. It is an octa-core with two of the cores disabled, to keep the thermal envelope in check.

Its is like the GTX 480 in many ways.

Maybe future revisions wont be binned, but at its current form I would not touch the 3930k/3960x.

Professionals need high performance reliable chips. The Xeon line provides that; the SB-E line doesn't.

[vickybat]

Professionals (or if you are talking about workstations) would most probably prefer a Xeon over SNB-E.

I didn't mention professionals only. What about gamers cum professionals? Will a xeon help them? Not a viable option imo.
Did previous gen gulftown home users went for xeons for a system build? You have to get a server motherboard as well. That simply isn't practicality.

Then you dont know anything about it.

Spoiler:

It is a BINNED CPU. It is not the "extreme chip" you were looking for. Unlike Gulftown, which truly was an extreme chip, this is the waste maal of the server/WS line. It is an octa-core with two of the cores disabled, to keep the thermal envelope in check.

Its is like the GTX 480 in many ways.

Maybe future revisions wont be binned, but at its current form I would not touch the 3930k/3960x.

Professionals need high performance reliable chips. The Xeon line provides that; the SB-E line doesn't.

Maybe i don't know then can you make me know. It would be good if you provide some trustworthy links to support your claims. If its true then it would be an interesting piece of info for the entire tdf universe. I'm waiting friend.....

[whitestar_999]

google is your friend
Sandy Bridge-E hits the market with more cores, more threads

The Sandy Bridge E desktop parts may have six cores and up to 15 MiB cache, but the die itself has eight cores and 20 MiB cache (and with 2.2 billion transistors, is even larger than AMD's 2 billion transistor Bulldozer die). Some of those cores and cache are disabled for the desktop processors. For the server-oriented Xeon processors, they'll all be enabled. The Xeon parts are due to ship with the Xeon E5 branding, and model numbers from 2603 to 2690.

2 disabled cores in new Sandy Bridge-E - mersenneforum.org

It is all about yield. A percentage of parts emerge from the wafer stage with defects. Rather than throw away every faulty die they determine if there are enough working sub-parts to make a usable whole-part but with less core(s)/cache(s). Die that emerge with everything working perfectly are sold as the top line version, other die have the non-functional core(s)/cache(s) disabled and sold as cheaper versions.

Intel Core i7-3960X Review: Sandy Bridge-E And X79 Express : Say Hello To The PC Hardware Trophy Wife

When Sandy Bridge-E surfaces as Xeon, it’ll offer up to eight processing cores and 20 MB of shared L3 cache. As a desktop CPU, however, it’s limited to as many as six cores and up to 15 MB of shared L3. Intel achieves this by disabling two cores and four of the die’s 16 slices of shared L3 cache.

[Jaskanwar Singh]

My point holds: you CAN get Xeons in India

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[vickybat]

^^ Jas they are older westmere xeons and not sandybridge.

@ Whitestar_999

My point is not getting a full yield or disabling 2 cores doesn't make desktop sandybridge-E bad chips at all. Maybe intel will unveil full yield octacore chips when the need arises.

Does this mean 3930k is not a worthy purchase for the purpose?

[Jaskanwar Singh]

^i know

[Extreme Gamer]

Look, it does make it a bad chip.

You are getting the tail-end of Xeon chips, and not the central portion of i7 chips. Intel is being unable to keep temperatures in control, so the worst of the lot is being sold as SB-E.

If you look at the wikipedia SB list, you will see a huge number of LGA 2011 chips, of which the majority is 6-core. What does this tell you?

[Jaskanwar Singh]

whats price of zebronics kite?

[vickybat]

@Extreme Gamer

It doesn't tell me anything. I'm saying give us a proof that its a bad chip and has stability issues. Don't claim them yourself or draw conclusions. Show us one link where its written 3930k is a bad chip and should not be purchased due to thermal issues and all that.

[Extreme Gamer]

Then you havent understood anything.

Sandy Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sandy Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comprehend.

LGA 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What stability issues are you talking about? I never said it was a non-functional chip

Why do you think they disabled two cores? To improve yields and keep temps under control. In the SB-EP (Xeon) production run, these are the chips that fail to even pass Xeon certifications.

Gulftown on the other hand had chips that were truly top of the line.

3930k should have been priced at 20k, the 3820 at 14000 and the 3960X shouldnt exist.

lastly, for the sake of this thread, any further arguments should be done in PMs.

[Jaskanwar Singh]

buddy i planned this -

Spoiler:

Optional upgrades for 20k -

look, a person doing office work wont notice any difference between G620 and x2 245.
but a larger monitor is better choice imo here as doing casual gaming or multimedia is more enjoyable on bigger screens.

i have mentioned G620 as optional upgrade which will suffice imo.

what do you think of this everyone?

Sub 50k (Mid range gaming)


initially i used core i5 2400/phenom 1090t but they exceeded cost -



what say?

[whitestar_999]

good config & you are right.i only prefer G620 because of its better capability to handle high bit rate 10bit h264 videos(rare & only found in japanese anime releases).if not for this i too would have gone with amd dual core system.

edit:just a thought but it should be mentioned that getting NZXT cabinets out of mumbai will add ~400-600 to the final price as shipping charges depending on the site you buy from.

[d6bmg]

Wtf!! 60K for a processor is not worth for home use...:evil

Yeah, we all know. 2600K is the max need for home uses.

: BTW. how was the syndey trip??

Was good although it was mainly a business related trip. Not much of site-seeing.

BTW, Australia sucks as a place for buying electronic hardware.

[Extreme Gamer]

d6, I thought sydney was crap. Very congested.

Melbourne on the other hand, mmm.

India is worse for electronics. You have to go to the right places in Australia for electronics: JB Hifi, DickSmith etc.

Guys I am gonna order a G1. Assassin mobo. Opinions?

[Candlestick]

Hello Everyone!

I am looking to buy a new computer (without monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers). Budget = Rs.20000

From the first page of this thread, i got this :



I do not want the things in red-box, so 41625-6950-700-1800-1625 = 30550.

I am looking for 500 GB or 1TB Hard Disk instead of 250 GB as mentioned in the above pic.

Is it possible to use Intel Core i3 2100 instead of AMD Phenom II X4 955. From AnandTech - Bench - CPU , overall Intel i3 2100 ratings looks better (though, i do not know anything about the Benchmarks used)
Also, please tell me cheaper alternative Graphic Card and Case, so that i can reduce the cost. (I am not a gamer)

Thanks

[Jaskanwar Singh]

^^your purpose of rig?

good config & you are right.i only prefer G620 because of its better capability to handle high bit rate 10bit h264 videos(rare & only found in japanese anime releases).if not for this i too would have gone with amd dual core system.

edit:just a thought but it should be mentioned that getting NZXT cabinets out of mumbai will add ~400-600 to the final price as shipping charges depending on the site you buy from.

thanks buddy. and thanks for that info.
about shipping, that to be handled in buyers thread

@all
what about 50k? --
http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/pc-c...ml#post1558127

MUST WATCH!

AnandTech - Intel Core i7 3820 Review: $285 Quad-Core Sandy Bridge E

[whitestar_999]

both intel & amd configs are good at ~50k price point.those who just want to focus on playing games without any plan of overclocking & not using heavily multi threaded applications can go for intel i5 2400 if high temps or power consumption is a factor.rest can go for phenom II & in cases where heavy multi threading support is needed X6 is a good option.

[$$Lionking$$]

^^ But I'm sure price will be in the higher side. :'-(

not at all...

google is your friend
Sandy Bridge-E hits the market with more cores, more threads


2 disabled cores in new Sandy Bridge-E - mersenneforum.org


Intel Core i7-3960X Review: Sandy Bridge-E And X79 Express : Say Hello To The PC Hardware Trophy Wife

A more plausible explanation would be that Intel is using MCM in SBE. A native 8 core die is simply - Unreal/Unfeasible/Impossible/Insane(many more adjectives come to mind.. but I think u got my point?!)!!! MCM would also explain the 4channel memory..

Guys I am gonna order a G1. Assassin mobo. Opinions?

Do it ASAP!

[The Sorcerer]

Those who are recommending FSP 500w to people: do note that it uses a 4 pin ATX connector. Some people might start getting into the habit of checking the connectors and features before running blind and posting it around without even thinking.

Just my 2 cents .

[Extreme Gamer]

lionking, intel has made 10 core xeons before.

[$$Lionking$$]

Extreme gamer - Yea, they have made 12 core server cpus too...