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Old 24-07-2008, 08:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Criticises the overly obsessed behaviour of the IT security industry.

The father of Linux, Linus Torvalds, who never hesitates in criticising what he thinks is inappropriate technologically, has now criticised the makers of OpenBSD operating system as a bunch of 'm*********g' monkeys. He was criticising the behaviour of IT security industry which gets too much obsessed with the security issues.

The spat started in Gmane mailing list when some developer from a team which offers patches to the Linux kernel blamed Torvalds and other top Linux kernel developers of "covering up (the) security impact of bugs" by not clearly labeling them as security flaws.

According to the mailing list, Linus wrote:

Btw, and you may not like this, since you are so focused on security, one reason I refuse to bother with the whole security circus is that I think it glorifies - and thus encourages - the wrong behavior.

It makes "heroes" out of security people, as if the people who don't just fix normal bugs aren't as important.

In fact, all the boring normal bugs are _way_ more important, just because there's a lot more of them. I don't think some spectacular security hole should be glorified or cared about as being any more "special" than a random spectacular crash due to bad locking.

Security people are often the black-and-white kind of people that I can't stand. I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of m********ing monkeys, in that they make such a big deal about concentrating on security to the point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them.

To me, security is important. But it's no less important than everything *else* that is also important!

-Linus

Linus, earlier, criticised GNOME for being too simple for advanced users as compared to KDE. He was quoted as saying that if you (GNOME) think that your users are stupid, then only stupid users will use it.

He has also been critical of Subversion, a version control system initiated in 2000 by CollabNet Inc., as compared to the technologically superior (as per Linus) Git.

Source [http://www.efytimes.com/efytimes/fcr...sp?edid=27689]
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Old 24-07-2008, 09:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree that Git pwns SVN
I agree that KDE pwns Gnome
But caring for security is not stupid
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Old 24-07-2008, 09:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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But caring for security is not stupid
But, being paranoid about it, is.
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Huh ! No need to start a war Linus has already apologised for his mistake and What should be the topic is OSCAN and Linux message to all distro .. "Make Linux better than Apple OSX"
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Linus, earlier, criticised GNOME for being too simple for advanced users as compared to KDE. He was quoted as saying that if you (GNOME) think that your users are stupid, then only stupid users will use it.
I agree with this one totally. That is why I keep light years away from GNOME these days, no doubt they're doing some nice things too but the stupid things they have put in like the nice dialog box when someone logs in as root, using file extensions to determine file type, etc make me hesitate to use GNOME now-a-days.

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How much do you know about OpenBSD?
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Old story, he also called digg users a bunch of w××king walruses
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