What are KDE and Gnome ? ? ?

//siddhartha// · 10-04-2005, 10:42 AM

Well, I hve heard these names quite often in LUNIX.. What are these? Moreover, how can one play MP3s in UBUNTU LIVE CD (4.10) ? ?

pradeep_chauhan · 10-04-2005, 12:26 PM

These are desk top managers similar to what explorer is in windows. There are a large many of these available but gnome and kde are the most popular. To know more about them go to there website and read / contribute to the project.

cool_dude_prav · 10-04-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by //siddhartha//

Well, I hve heard these names quite often in LUNIX.. What are these? Moreover, how can one play MP3s in UBUNTU LIVE CD (4.10) ? ?

Some answers are already given above...

But seems @pradeep has forgotten..

MP3 can be played using

Kaffeine(on KDE)

XMMS(old, but looks like WinAMP)

amaroK(also KDE)

vignesh · 10-04-2005, 01:25 PM

THe ubuntu live cd does not support mp3
Kde and Gnome are desktop enviroments in Linux.

GNUrag · 11-04-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vignesh

THe ubuntu live cd does not support mp3

It does support MP3's . You need to download separate applications to play them. For Ubuntu download XMMS, Xine from here:

http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xmms/

tuxfan · 11-04-2005, 02:06 PM

How can I use a downloaded software with a Live! CD? Please give more info.

(I assume here that there is no distro installed on my HD)

GNUrag · 11-04-2005, 06:49 PM

You may download the precompiled .tgz versions of the packages (as they distribute in digit DVDs).. Extract the tgz file in /tmp area, and run the binary from there.

One may also copy and extract the package file in an existing partiton, mount that partition and run the binary from there.

Installing packages on a Live CD is not possible, since it will write on /usr which is not there on the ramdisk.

vignesh · 11-04-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GNUrag

You may download the precompiled .tgz versions of the packages (as they distribute in digit DVDs).. Extract the tgz file in /tmp area, and run the binary from there.

One may also copy and extract the package file in an existing partiton, mount that partition and run the binary from there.

Installing packages on a Live CD is not possible, si
nce it will write on /usr which is not there on the ramdisk.

I actually asked that question in the ubuntu forums and thats what they replied.Any way what is a binary package .Is it the one with .bin extension

GNUrag · 11-04-2005, 07:40 PM

Binary package is one in which everything (including the dependency) to run a package is there in a single tgz file. It does not need to be installed, just by extracting it works.

Try downloading the Mozilla directly from Mozilla's site, what they'll give you is a precompiled tgz file.

.bin file are also precompiled binaries, except that it also contains decompressors and you dont even have to untar and gunzip it.

//siddhartha// · 13-04-2005, 03:23 PM

I downloaded the .deb fine.. But after I started the LIVE CD, the program failed to load... Moreover, the link you gave does not contain any .tgz file..
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xmms/

But there are: .tar.gz files.. Is that it what you mentioned ? ?

GNUrag · 13-04-2005, 04:42 PM

.tar.gz and .tgz mean the same. What you'll find there is a tar.gz of original source code called *.orig.tar.gz and a debian modification patch called .diff.tar.gz

These are sources and it needs to be compiled in /tmp before if can be usable. If you have downloaded .deb files then you can get the binary out of the deb file by
$ dpkg -X xmms-2.2.4-i386.deb

this will extract xmms binary, but i'm not sure if it would work this way.

//siddhartha// · 15-04-2005, 08:01 PM

But where am I to use this command? In the LIVE CD after the desktop has come up, what should I do? is there a run option or something in UBUNTU LIVE CD...
My downloaded .deb is in C: (or hda1)..

GNUrag · 15-04-2005, 08:38 PM

From the live CD, mount the windows drive and copy it inside your /tmp/ directory.. Then you can extract those deb files.
but note that i am not sure if it will work this way.

//siddhartha// · 18-04-2005, 03:46 PM

Hey Guys, nothing seems to work.. Anyways, I left trying the XMMS program.. Instead, I copied the mplayer file from DIGIT Mar 2005 DVD on my C: and then started the UBUNTU Live CD by rebooting.. I double clicked the file and then it asked me extract files.. I extracted them on my C: and then started the "mplayer" program which was inside somewhere in the extrated folder.. But it did not run and nor did LINUX show any message..
What's wrong?

pradeep_chauhan · 18-04-2005, 08:07 PM

after extracting the files you have to install mplayer by first configuring it follow the steps in the other post http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18671

vignesh · 20-04-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GNUrag

.tar.gz and .tgz mean the same. What you'll find there is a tar.gz of original source code called *.orig.tar.gz and a debian modification patch called .diff.tar.gz

These are sources and it needs to be compiled in /tmp before if can be usable. If you have downloaded .deb files then you can get the binary out of the deb file by
$ dpkg -X xmms-2.2.4-i386.deb

this will extract xmms binary, but i'm not sure if it would work this way.

you cant compile because the gcc etc is not present in the live cd

GNUrag · 20-04-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vignesh

you cant compile because the gcc etc is not present in the live cd

i see.. i didn't know.
But as it is, you can't issue make install from the live CD

vignesh · 21-04-2005, 06:27 PM

So any other suggestions

//siddhartha// · 24-04-2005, 08:19 PM

Well, @vignesh and all others, if KDE and Gnome are Desktops for LINUX, they can be installed on any LINUX. Is Nautilus also a desktop.. I mean ... Wht can one change in a desktop? Taskbar ? Clock or Wallpapers ? ? ?

pradeep_chauhan · 25-04-2005, 12:32 AM

Yes you can install kde / gnome on any linux distro.
Nautilus is a graphical shell for GNOME that makes it easy to manage your files and the rest of your system.
To change look use plugins / theams.

vignesh · 25-04-2005, 08:37 AM

isn`t nautilus a file manager for gnome like konquerer for kde.You can change the looks by going to control center and changing background,color scheme,window decorations,splash screen,screensaver and more.In gnome you change the theme in preferences and theme

pallavnawani · 25-04-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by //siddhartha//

Well, @vignesh and all others, if KDE and Gnome are Desktops for LINUX, they can be installed on any LINUX. Is Nautilus also a desktop.. I mean ... Wht can one change in a desktop? Taskbar ? Clock or Wallpapers ? ? ?

Kde / Gnome are present in almost all distributions that I know of. Most distributions also allow you to switch between them at will. Of course, live CD's may carry only one of them because of space limitations. I think ( I could be wrong) Kde stands for K desktop Environment.

What can you change in a desktop?
Linux uses X for its graphical displays. That means that every GUI application displayed is managed by the Window manager, and the widget (such as buttons ) are made in some toolkit or other (such as Gtk). So you can change both the things in a desktop - the window manager decorations, and the widget themes. For Gnome, this means that you can change GTk themes and metacity themes separately, enabling you to change the look of the desktop totally.

If you are clever, you can get rid of the boring metacity window manager, and use a different window manager, like the awesome enlightenment. Then you can install enlightenment themes, etc.
http://www.enlightenment.org/

You can also change the Gnome panel - you can add panel applets to it, you can change the size of the panel, you can move it to the top, right, left.. You can even get rid of the panel completely.

Pallav

//siddhartha// · 27-04-2005, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pallavnawani

Quote:

Originally Posted by //siddhartha//

Well, @vignesh and all others, if KDE and Gnome are Desktops for LINUX, they can be installed on any LINUX. Is Nautilus also a desktop.. I mean ... Wht can one change in a desktop? Taskbar ? Clock or Wallpapers ? ? ?

Kde / Gnome are present in almost all distributions that I know of. Most distributions also allow you to switch between them at will. Of course, live CD's may carry only one of them because of space limitations. I think ( I could be wrong) Kde stands for K desktop Environment.

What can you change in a desktop?
Linux uses X for its graphical displays. That means that every GUI application displayed is managed by the Window manager, and the widget (such as buttons ) are made in some toolkit or other (such as Gtk). So you can change both the things in a desktop - the window manager decorations, and the widget themes. For Gnome, this means that you can change GTk themes and metacity themes separately, enabling you to change the look of the desktop totally.

If you are clever, you can get rid of the boring metacity window manager, and use a different window manager, like the awesome enlightenment. Then you can install enlightenment themes, etc.
http://www.enlightenment.org/

You can also change the Gnome panel - you can add panel applets to it, you can change the size of the panel, you can move it to the top, right, left.. You can even get rid of the panel completely.

Pallav

Well, your post was very good I must admit.. Now, that I hve installed SuSE 9.1 on my computer, I need to ask that.. KDE has been given in the DIGIT DVD.. So, how do I install it and how exactly can upgrading a desktop change things.. Does it include programs, visual styles or what ???