GUtsy Gibbon Queries

[iMav]

Yes its me iMav entering the Linux world with my first hard drive installation of a distro (previously used only live versions)

I got my gutsy gibbon CDs and i was gonna install it on a 24+1 gb partition (24 for the os and 1 for swap) but then devil told me that 2 gigs is sufficient so installed it on a 4+1 while i was installing he pmed saying that digit will be giving DVDs next month so here are my questions:

1. whats the difference in the cd and dvd contents
2. a little honest answer as i am short on hdd space how much should the partition space be
3. should i install the dvd version or the cd wala is fine (for the dvd 1 i will have to wait for digit to come out with it and will also have redo my partitions)

i hope u guys will help me

[The_Devil_Himself]

1.nothing dvd is just cd+a lot of extra packages like codecs and softwares and what not.And I suggested you to increase your partition size from 4gb cos I think it won't be enough for full DVD install.

2.Delete some XXX stuff form your PC.....10gb should be enough.

3.We don't know whether the DVD they will be giving is going to be live one or alternate one,if its the alternate ones then you can add this dvd as your source in synaptic and install packages directly from it.But if its an Live dvd then youĺl have to install full DVD to install extra stuff.(wait for some expert opinion on this matter

[praka123]

I have downloaded and distributed both i386 and 64-bit DVDs via torrent.
DVD is live.difference from cd is the no of packages included and the options available in boot prompt.u can use it as livecd,install from text installer(debian installer),or Ubiquity gui from live session and goes on.
proprietory codecs are not included in dvd.

[iMav]

^^ could u answer my other questions as to the hdd requirements

and what are these packages normalyy

and devil even if i delete that its as it is in a separate ntfs partition which i am not gonna touchit as it has all my games on it

[QwertyManiac]

Never cut down on HDD space for Linux. You will NOT like it when the hard drive fills up, cause its gonna be nasty.

Always keep a minimum of double the actual requirement needed as quoted during install. Like, 8 GB for Ubuntu, at least.

DVD contains CD + Main Component Repository Contents + Alternative Window Managers like KDE and XFCE.

CD is fine enough for starting with. DVD just has additional packages helpful for those without Internet. Apart from that, there is absolutely NO difference in installing from the CD or from the DVD.

[The_Devil_Himself]

Hey iMav the wait is not worth it man just install from cd and enjoy.Jab DVD aayegi tab ka tab dekha jayega.And you wont have to redo your partitioning...I mean just format your current gutsy(ext3 file system) partition and install the DVD on it.Thats it.

I am on a standard CD install now and I am loving it though compiz is having some problems with my onboard graphics so it is working in 'forced' mode for me but it will work perfectly on your 845mobo.

Again no less than 10gb home partition+1gb swap partition will do incase you decide to make it your primary OS.Did I tell you that gutsy features out of box ntfs read and write support.

[vish786]

Originally Posted by iMav

Yes its me iMav entering the Linux world

jokes apart.

1. whats the difference in the cd and dvd contents

dvd already comes with extra softwares/packages(linux term) so their wont be any necessity of installing softwares thru net.

2. a little honest answer as i am short on hdd space how much should the partition space be

let me tell u my config for buntu... installed ubuntu on 4GB partition using the CD version & then later installed extra softwares thru net for which i could probably do everything except gaming on buntu... ultimately ~2.5GB is used.

Dvd version will require Total 8-9 GB which is more than enough for it.

[praka123]

there is no need to install all the softwares!(few n00bs does that!)

[The_Devil_Himself]

^hey paraka trying out every software is fun man.

[iMav]

@ vish: so in other words my current 4+1 is sufficient also devil's post reminds me about ext2 & 3 i chose 2 as 1 of my fren who is a slax expert recommended 2 shud i do a re-format

and ya i can still increase it to 9+1 but the problem is that like my 20gig os x partition which i cant access using windows is pretty much useless i dont want the same thing to happen with my linux partition so im a little not sure as to what shud i do ....

these packages how big are they and could u link me to some of the "necessary" packages (prakash sir i want links )

[QwertyManiac]

Yes but keeping them installed isn't. It bloats up the Apt DB size.

[vish786]

@praka, yes exactly.... even a cd version is more than enough for higher casual user.

@imav,
4+1 is sufficient.
use ext3 parti

[QwertyManiac]

You can access Linux partitions on Windows using an FS driver (EXT2FS).

And you should choose EXT3 which is basically just EXT2 + Journalling. Avoids fragmentation on your partition.

Edit: Gah, too much attention here. Am out, carry on.

[The_Devil_Himself]

hey you can access linux partitions through windows using a little software which QwertyManiac mentioned recently so don't worry about it.But I don't know why would you like to access your linux partition through windows.

[iMav]

so that i can put stuff on it and access (read-write) it easily :roll:

[praka123]

offtopic:what is the use of installing to hdd if u have tried livecd?eh?for a casual user livecd satisfies.if ur not gonna use it why the pain?i never forget what gxsaurav does with starting the same questions and ended up in a "review" again ending up in flamewars.Is it worth for u imav?u shud stick with ur primary os.as u liked it more than anything.

[iMav]

i want to see whats the fuss about and how does 1 become geekier by using linux coz i know for sure u dont become cooler by using os x hell iv used it

on a serious note ... i wanna actually try have been thinking of doing it for a long time but decided to dive in now .... so now can i have the links

jab maango toh nahin dette jab nahin chahiyeh toh 3-4 aa jate ek post mein

c'mon guys y being so mean to me its not as if i kicked linus where it hurts

[mehulved]

AFAIK, you should be able to use Live DVD as a media too if you installed from it. I do surely remember installing build-essentials from the live cd after installation from the same CD.

[iMav]

ah now thats like a good enough answer .... thanx a lot ... if things go well my next post will be from gutsy gibbon looking forward to compiz fusion if u guys cud list and link some other cool stuff or ur favs in linux please i wanna try it out

and i will be coming here with absolute childish questions so spare me and bear me

[QwertyManiac]

Sure, as long as you remember to search as well.

[kalpik]

I suggest at least 8 GB for / and 1 GB for Swap.. Install from the CD.

[iMav]

iv done a 10+1 and a i hva a question:

as compared to windows where hdd starts with 0 and partitions with 1 in linux both start with ) so is the partition sequence same as shown in gparted?

as in gparted a certain partition is shown at no. 5 so its address is hd0,5????

ok that was my last and final try with any linux distro - my genius and the "most secure" & "better" OS = 34 gigs of the best software & OS setups gone vanished into thin air .... thanx for ur help guys .... i guess linux and me are not meant for each other

[ray|raven]

Lolz dude,
Just cos u messed up durin installation doesnt make the distro crap.
I made my sis;(who by the way knows just enuf computing to browse sites and listen to music) install dreamlinux over the phone with minimal guidance.
She cud figure out most of what was written at the installer and even created the partitons with little help.
All it takes to install linux is patience and some common sense.

Regards,
ray

[iMav]

well not when ur trying to make a quad boot work

and i didnot call it crap i hav equally blamed my genius for expecting too much from a very customizable OS

[gxsaurav]

Dude, u better try Linux in Virtual Machine. Thats the safest way to try linux....then u can proceed to install on real machine

[iMav]

linux is coming no where near any of my machines .... me and linux are jinxed .... and im the 1 who loses so im gonna keep away from it

[The_Devil_Himself]

LMAO man you fugged up in partitioning and now youŕe blaming linux.hehe.

I mean you cudn't recognise your partitions by looking at their type/space/filled space?Thats stupid IMO.

Anyways happy windowing.

[iMav]

nope i did not mess up the partitioning that im 101% sure the drive that is gone is ntfs and i did not even hover my mouse over ntfs as a matter of fact while installing ntfs cant be selected

[The_Devil_Himself]

ok dude now will you please let us know the situation?The exact steps you followed and what exactly happened?Are you on windows now?You can try any recovery software.
Your full partition table would be appreciated.

If you dint touch it during partitioning then I am sure its some stupid windows problem thats why it is not shown by windows.You can try a bootable gparted cd.

[Faun]

lol...linux scared him

I hav got 3 hdd
This is how i installed linux(ubuntu gutsy) and Xp on my rig:
1: Plug out all HDD
2: Plugged in one HDD and installed Xp
3: Plugged out first HDD and then plugged in the other HDD and installed Ubuntu
4: Lastly Plug in all HDDs, but make the one havin ubuntu as first boot device.

Booted to ubuntu and configured grub(menu.lst) to include xp boot partition.

That is the safest way and linux was never so much easy to configure