Help me run Gutsy Gibbon in my PC

[drgrudge]

To cut a very long story short.... I want to install Gusty Gibbon or other distro suitable for my system and my usage.

A big thanks to The_Devil_Himself, infra_red_dude & NucleusKore in the USB 2.0 thread. They know the condition and deep sh*t my PC is in.

The long version of the story....


My PC config:
- over 8 years old
- 800 mhz p3 proccy
- 128 mb RAM
- 20 GB (effectively 18-19 gb only)
- can't boot from USB device
- optical drive is not working, atleast DVD won't read. I was told that the CD works without any issues.
- WD HDD won't work


My needs and usage
- Will use it to download things. Heavy P2P user. Don't want to keep my MBP 24/7.
- Limited software usage, basic things like word, pdf reader, browser will be good. Ocational multimedia use for watching videos, songs etc...


My situation:
- I'm expecting my MacBook Pro (MBP) in my hands shortly. Also I don't want to throw this PC off as it does my job perfectly.

- I hate browsing with my PC. S*cks with 800*600 resolution and general slow operation.


What support I need

1. What iso to download? http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ lists many different versions. Alternate install CD mentions "installs on systems with less than about 320MB of RAM". Can anyone point out the direct torrent file of the iso I need? I'll have to d/l it and burn that into a CD and when I pop in the CD to the CD drive, and it'll do the rest right?

2. Will it be faster than XP? There's no point to take this much pain if it's not.

3. What screen resoultion can I expect? XP gives 800*600. Any hope of better resolution? Monitor is a 15" CRT.

4. Ideally I want to have both Linux and XP installed together. First and foremost, I need to make it connected to Dataone. I know there are many guides here, but people honestly it looks so geeky for me. I'm not sure if I can connect to net successfully.

5. Is it worth to switch or better to stay with XP? I'm looking for better speeds and operation only. I don't want to install only for "better OS" and I'm not a fanboy of any OS (atleast till date).


I think it would be a great challenge to get my PC running Gusty Gibbon. Let's see if we can pull it off...


Thanks a lot people in advance to show patience n help me...

[Pathik]

Wat motherboard do u hav??
and i dont think ubuntu 7.10 ll work good on just 128 mb ram... use a lighter distro or try xubuntu
and agar ubuntu hi try karna hai to u ll need this
http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/...86.iso.torrent

[praka123]

try Xubuntu or even better mepis -antix mepis on the system.gutsy sure needs a better system.Gnome or Kde wants more resources.while Xubuntu(xfce) or better antix mepis serves the purpose perfectly.u can use it easily with fluxbox or xfce wm's.

[The_Devil_Himself]

^+1 grudgy get xubuntu it is light on resources.

2. Will it be faster than XP? There's no point to take this much pain if it's not.

definitely man.You can configure it to run faster than XP.

3. What screen resoultion can I expect? XP gives 800*600. Any hope of better resolution? Monitor is a 15" CRT.

That depends upon how much resolution your monitor supports dude.

I need to make it connected to Dataone. I know there are many guides here, but people honestly it looks so geeky for me. I'm not sure if I can connect to net successfully.

Dude dunno about datatone but my MYNL broadband works out of box on linux.no problem what so ever.

[praka123]

dataone connection is possible only if ur system have a lan card.as rp-pppoe is used in linux.while usb support is not available and if available also not stable.u can get a realtek lan card model for rs200
dont buy intex cheap cards.they are problematic and fake realtek chips made buy silan electronics.linux may face problem running it.

[adi87]

Originally Posted by drgrudge

4. Ideally I want to have both Linux and XP installed together. First and foremost, I need to make it connected to Dataone. I know there are many guides here, but people honestly it looks so geeky for me. I'm not sure if I can connect to net successfully.

Go here... u will get as simple as (2+2=4) solution...

http://havingblues.wordpress.com/200...ion-in-ubuntu/

[drgrudge]

Didn't knew that Xubuntu was built for old or low-end machines. Perfect.

Also can I leech Xubuntu and then try it out, before using installing it?

The Minimum system requirements says "you need 128 MB RAM to run or 192 MB RAM to install. The Alternate Install CD only requires you to have 64 MB RAM." Unlike Ubuntu, I couldn't see any alternate CD version of it? Will there any issues?


praka123 -
Too geeky post man. I'm a windows user trying to switch, you're scaring me by using:"fluxbox", "xfce wm's". Please no geek words like that.

MEPIS Linux is this on naa: http://www.mepis.org/node/68
I'll leech that one as well and see how it performs.

[The_Devil_Himself]

alternate cds are for direct installing and live cds are for 'try before you install'.

I don't thing there will be any problem with Xubuntu live cd(I have tried a lot of distros in Virtual box alloting them just 128mb RAM) but You don't have any optical drive.or you have now?

[QwertyManiac]

Originally Posted by drgrudge

What support I need

1. What iso to download? http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ lists many different versions. Alternate install CD mentions "installs on systems with less than about 320MB of RAM". Can anyone point out the direct torrent file of the iso I need? I'll have to d/l it and burn that into a CD and when I pop in the CD to the CD drive, and it'll do the rest right?

It'll be way better if you use the Xubuntu "Dapper Drake" 6.06 instead of Gutsy Gibbon and other releases since they are old and lighter and also they are under LTS till 2009 (Fresh and supported updates till 2009).

You can download Xubuntu Dapper edition torrent for i386 here:
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/re...86.iso.torrent

I hope its still seeded well enough ...

Originally Posted by drgrudge

2. Will it be faster than XP? There's no point to take this much pain if it's not.

Can't really say anything on that. Anything would be slow on 128 MB RAM these days. But XFCE is pretty light and must run 98% lagless on 128 MB RAM.

Originally Posted by drgrudge

3. What screen resoultion can I expect? XP gives 800*600. Any hope of better resolution? Monitor is a 15" CRT.

I think you could go up to 1024x768 but it all depends on your onboard video capability.

Originally Posted by drgrudge

4. Ideally I want to have both Linux and XP installed together. First and foremost, I need to make it connected to Dataone. I know there are many guides here, but people honestly it looks so geeky for me. I'm not sure if I can connect to net successfully.

Do you connect to Dataone the Router ON/OFF way and through the LAN-Port? If so, you don't even have to configure anything, it'll work out of the box. Else we could help you, but just confirm whether its using LAN-Port or USB. If its USB, you'd need to shift to the Ethernet/LAN-Port ...

Originally Posted by drgrudge

5. Is it worth to switch or better to stay with XP? I'm looking for better speeds and operation only. I don't want to install only for "better OS" and I'm not a fanboy of any OS (atleast till date).

You got to feel it yourself man, but I do think it'll be faster than XP.

[drgrudge]

praka123 -
My PC didn't have that. I purchased the LAN Card sometime back. Not sure abt the company. It worked like a charm in my XP till date for almost 2-3 years. Not need for drivers and things like that?


adi87 -
Thanks for that... will refer that to configure Dataone.

Amazing response people! Thanks a lot!!

Guys, can anyone tell me if I can partition the HDD so that initally I'll have Linux n XP.

The_Devil_Himself -
The optical drive should work without any issues atleast to read CDs. That's what my cousin said me. Only DVDs are not read. I've 2 optical drives - one DVD rom and one CD rom. It's not connected to the mobo, but I guess it should work without any issues for CDs.

I got exams tomorrow, so don't want to spend time on hardware things. Meanwhile, I'll leech Xubuntu. I'll take my HDD to my cousin's PC and get the CD burned there.

From what you said I need an Alternate CD naa?


QwertyManiac -
Xubuntu Dapper? I wanna get involved in the hype of Gutsy Gibbon. :d I'll first install that and see how it's performing.


I got a LAN card. Not using the USB thing. So it'll work out of the box?

[QwertyManiac]

Yes it'll work out of the box provided you use the router method as I already mentioned. I think all UL users use only that though

[praka123]

Lan cards 99% are detected and autoconfigured in Debian derivatives like (X)Ubuntu,antix etc.u must need lan card if u want to use dataone haha!but u can enjoy like me downloading torrents at max speed via azureus or deluge or ktorrent clients without fearing viruses and the other cr@ps in windows. i got my machine scheduled to d/l via torrent client from 2.03AM to 7.58AM Night unlimited while am asleep and switched off monitor

also in Linux,bridged mode router configuration must be better.ie,u have to dial from linux.u can open random port from linux iptables FW and will get maximum speeds this way.i have not much idea on torrents getting good speed with router inbuilt pppoe dialer ofcourse u need to tinker with its setting s to enable virtual server blah... refer http://portforward.com helps.
again I suggests Antix Mepis first or Xubuntu -both are based on debian so no confusion.OKngala?

[Rahim]

You can use Ethernet to connect to Dataone Broadband. Here are the steps: Believe me its not scary, its quite simple.
1 You install Ubuntu or XUbuntu as you desire.
2. Run Terminal by going to Applications>Accessories>Terminal.
3. Keep your modem on while doing these.
4. In the Terminal type

sudo pppoeconf

5.A new blue window will pop inside The Terminal.
6.It will detect your Ethernet as eth0. Just press enter.
7 It will ask for your Dataone login ID. Enter

yourusername@dataone

. Notice it does not contain ".in".
8 Next page will ask for your Dataone password. Quite simple enter your password.
9 Press enter again and then again till the page ask for "Do you want to connect on Boot Up". Select "No" and press Enter again.
10 It will ask you "Do you want to connect now". You can choose Yes and you will be connected to the internet. Otherwise choose No and thw window will close.

Now to connect to Internet just type this in The Terminal

pon dsl-provider

To disconnect type this in the Terminal

poff dsl-provider

I know the post is quite big but if you follow it ,its quite easy.
Best of Luck.
PS:These instructions are for Ubuntu and its variants.

[The_Devil_Himself]

IMO download xubuntu live cd iso burn it on a cd......connect the optical drive to your pc.....let it boot from live cd........it will take some time(owing to your paltry 128mb RAM).....Try it.....install it.

Guys, can anyone tell me if I can partition the HDD so that initally I'll have Linux n XP.

tell us how many partitions you have and xp is installed in wich one of them.

[drgrudge]

praka123 -
In my PC as well my Dell (both XP), I don't have any sh*t like AVs, Anti-spyware, firewall and things like that.

Can you please point out where I can leech it (the version and all)? From here: http://antix.mepis.org/index.php/Main_Page I see that it's still in Beta stages.

The_Devil_Himself -
So no need of alternate CD to install, right? With the live CD, I can try it out?

I got 4 partitions (for the less than 20 GB HDD ) and XP is installed in C.


rahimveron -
Thanks a lot for the instructions. Definetly will try it and see how it goes about.

[praka123]

yes.its still in beta.then better try xubuntu.or if u dare try antix.
torrents: http://linuxtracker.org
http://www.tuxdistro.com/
http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-sea...p?search=antix
review:
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8031025874.html

[NucleusKore]

1. What iso to download? http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ lists many different versions. Alternate install CD mentions "installs on systems with less than about 320MB of RAM". Can anyone point out the direct torrent file of the iso I need? I'll have to d/l it and burn that into a CD and when I pop in the CD to the CD drive, and it'll do the rest right?

A. I do not have a very happy experience with the alternate version of Ubuntu. It was err... alternate. If you want speed download Xubuntu

2. Will it be faster than XP? There's no point to take this much pain if it's not.
A. Xubuntu will be faster than XP woth your configuration

3. What screen resolution can I expect? XP gives 800*600. Any hope of better resolution? Monitor is a 15" CRT.
A. If your monitor supports 1024*768 it will give you that resolution BUT refresh rate supported at that resolution may be 60Hz and not 75-85Hz (maybe thats what you are used to). This is a hardware limitation and has nothing to do with the OS.

4. Ideally I want to have both Linux and XP installed together. First and foremost, I need to make it connected to Dataone. I know there are many guides here, but people honestly it looks so geeky for me. I'm not sure if I can connect to net successfully.

A. This will help you as if you are not happy you can always throw out the linux distro and try another. As Ubuntu or Xubuntu are live cds so no problem, you can try and boot from it. Please note that the speed of launching apps from a live cd is much less than from a hard disk install, so be patient.

Download from http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
For Xubuntu download xubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
For Ubuntu download ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso

[The_Devil_Himself]

Originally Posted by drgrudge

The_Devil_Himself -
So no need of alternate CD to install, right? With the live CD, I can try it out?

I got 4 partitions (for the less than 20 GB HDD ) and XP is installed in C.

Yea I am positive your pc can handle xubuntu live cd.

I feel patitioning is gonna be a lil tough for you.
while partioning you will see:
hd0=means your primary hard disk
sd1=first partition(remember sd1 doesn't mean c: drive)
sd2=second partioning
and so on


format(in windows) all your drives except xp one....then it will be easier for you to recognise xp partition while installing xubuntu......delete all the other partitions except xp one.Now linux needs atleast two partitions to run (1)swap:like pagefile in windows(400-500mb should be more than enough) (2)home partition.

so final partition table shoud be like:
1.xp partition:5gb(or whatever)
2.swap:500mb
3.home:whatever remaining.

[praka123]

check below post for dataone,after installation of Xubuntu? or antix:
people using Broadband in Feisty Fawn....

[drgrudge]

I've added xubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso torrent. Tomorrow at this time, I do the stuffs.

The_Devil_Himself-
So you're asking to format the HDD, before poping in the Xubuntu CD? That is, remove D, E and F and then try installing Xubuntu.

Also how to format HDD in windows? I reffered to this article http://www.ehow.com/how_6026_format-hard-drive.html, but my PC showed Disk overlay error.

The iso is 566 MB, you think it 500mb is enough?

praka123 -
So geeky! Anyway thanks for pointing it out. I'll refer that later on.

[QwertyManiac]

You can partition it from the Live CD as well.

And will you stop saying 'geeky' to well explained step-by-step procedures? You just say it cause you haven't explored the interfaces as much as you have for Windows. :\

[NucleusKore]

+1 QwertyManiac, its not so geeky after all. Nowadays its so GUI driven

[skghosh44]

rahimveron
yourusername@dataone

Is it necessary @dataone. I think it is not necessary only user name is sufficient. Because I have done that way and it is working.

[drgrudge]

QwertyManiac -
I might be well explained steps, but IMHO it looked geeky. I
ve not seen anything of that sort (ie typing so many lines of command) as in Windows/OS X. That's why I exclaimed thus.

[QwertyManiac]

Try it out first, you'll get how simple it is to automate things on Linux than Windows.

[infra_red_dude]

Ashwin, even I suggest you get Xubuntu 6.06. That'll work for sure.

[gary4gar]

Just my two cents



1) To install Ubuntu should try this

Wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users that will bring you into the Linux world with a single click. Wubi allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu Linux as any other application. If you wanted to try Ubuntu, this is for you.

may be you should try this
Wubi - The Easiest Way to Linux

its really easy


2) Linux alternative of windows software

One thing that I noticed Ubuntu really needed was a place for newer users to be able to find out what apps to use. I know when I first started Linux less than a year ago, my biggest questions were "where is the Linux winamp" or "what is the Linux version of _______ program." So the purpose of this thread it to make a conversion chart. This will be a work in progress for a long time, so please chime in with good ideas for conversions. Only open source stuff please, and only the most developed programs in each category so as to not confuse. And nothing that isn't in the main/universe also please. I will also list programs that have Window's or OSX ports since a new user might not have any experiance with OSS).

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[mehulved]

If you haven't got around to finalising the distro, I would recommend going with a slackware based distro. Vector Linux would be a much better choice than ubuntu.
Xubuntu maybe much lighter on RAM but still considering it's ubuntu it is still a bit heavy on processors. Not that ubuntu will be unusable or anything. But, vector would do a much better job as it's optimised to run on a lot slower PC's.
For word and stuff don't go for Openoffice, it's too heavy though the later version are getting a bit lighter. For PDF's, if you're just gonna read pdf's then go for lightweigth xpdf.

[praka123]

package management-where ubuntu is easy.

[vish786]

@drgrudge

i hav a similar config with 500 MHz speed...

1.)use distro wat people suggested.... download the respective iso. Dont break ur head too much

around with any other distro, it will confuse u much more.(as u exclaimed u no nothng)

2.)yes, since ur needs r too basic... go ahead

3)i have an 15' inch too, it supports 1024*768 also, so u can either choose 800*600 or 1024*768....

no worries.

4)if u hav an ethernet card, then theirs no issue of connectin to net, u can get connected directly

to net in Live CD too.....

5)my experience says.... "YES"

first of all download iso and burn it... run the "Live Cd" u can easily figure out urself that its

too easy to run & configure, & its nothing like ur thinking.

Before trying other things, Run Live CD & get urself SATISFIED.