I hate Linux

[sarincv]

I hate linux for the following reasons.

---It is very difficult to install on a system having another OS

---Irritating when installing packages due to dependancies

---All linux do'nt support all audio n graphics cards( I had problems with SUSE
.screen goes blank after booting)

---It is not at all user friendly. A new user always struggles

---Don't have our favourite applications
(Can't play mp3s and videos in ubuntu)

Windows is the best!!!

[Official Techie]

Originally Posted by sarincv

I hate linux for the following reasons.

---It is very difficult to install on a system having another OS

---Irritating when installing packages due to dependancies

---All linux do'nt support all audio n graphics cards( I had problems with SUSE
.screen goes blank after booting)

---It is not at all user friendly. A new user always struggles

---Don't have our favourite applications
(Can't play mp3s and videos in ubuntu)

Windows is the best!!!

linux installation is very much easier than windows u think its not user friendly coz i yhink that u have been using windows from a considerable time

[sarincv]

I am now familiar with linux. I was saying about new users. Linux created lot of problems to me...

[sarincv]

Installation becomes difficult when there is another OS

[JGuru]

Linux has become more easy than the days I was using SCO Unix!! You are newbie
to Linux after using Windows OS for years. Linux is a far superior OS than Windows.
It will take time to unlearn things that you have learnt using Windows , and learn
new things in Linux. So be patient. If you don't know, you can ask the people here
for help. We are ready to help you.

[sarincv]

The main problem is the package dependancies. I don't have an intrnet connection at home. I am using broadband from my college.

[cyberzook]

yeah linux is not quite user friendly..
I dont get 5.1 sound in my SuSE 10.0
I am unable to connect to dataone(UT-300R2). Its so simple in windows..

[DeSmOnD dAvId]

Theres no need to double post!
Please delete one post.

Linux is not too user friendly, thats true, but, a good playground for a geek like me. I like challenges in OSs. I didnot find any documentation to install Linux on my Single volume NTFS Hard drive. I did it on my own.

If you find Linux difficult, only thing you can do is experiment and practice (of course you cant be that lazy). Nothing's difficult without practice.

[borg]

Yeah man, unlike what Linux zealots say, Linux still has a long long way to go. Linux simply cannot fulfill its dreams of becomming th dominant OS in its current form.

To be fare however i would like to add that changes are taking place, albiet very very slowly.

[DeSmOnD dAvId]

Whatcha talkin' bout?

Only if the User friendliness is cranked up a bit more, Linux can overtake Windows any time as the most dominant OS. Already most Servers accross the world use Linux. Also it is more secure then windows anyday. Also it can be used as Desktop OS.

I am dedicated to spread Linux accross most PCs of my Friends.

[mehulved]

It depends on people's perspective and knowledge. I have used both Linux and Windows equally and am at equal ease with both.
Those who have used linux more will be at home with linux and will find windows very difficult and vice versa.

And please avoid flame wars and linux v/s windows here or else I will have to lock the topic. If you have something constructive to say please do so but avoid fighting at all costs.

[paragkalra]

IF user friendliness is enhanced, Linux will loose its security and stabilty. Hence Linux is good the way it is at present. If you feel to make some changes in Linux then you can design your own linux. Such is the flexibility provided by linux which no OS at present provides.

[QwertyManiac]

I seriously havent seen any match to linux's customize ability. (I doubt mac has it, neways I havent used it...) It does take a few hours configuring it but once you are done, vroom, it beats Windows hands down, and looks so amazing. I love it now. 2 years back I used Xandros and liked it, thats what compelled me to stick to linux someday, since Xandros was paid.

I think for n00bs its better if they stick to live disks and xandros/linspire free versions (trial) for a month or so so that they understand some basic stuff. Ppl are so long addicted to windows that they are hardly patient enough to see beyond its limited powers.

[gary4gar]

linux is the fastest growing software movement today. simply if u don't like linux just change to windows for some $$.linux is only os which is free.once u configure it ur own way u will never use windows

[neerajvohra]

so is this like competition windows vs linux............
they are already many threads....

ans is if u dont work hard to make linux ur user friendly system..dont make comments.......
windows and linux are gud in their own way......i love them both..

[mediator]

@sarincv.......my uncle used to say the same thing about windows when he first sat on it!
Neways I have only one thing to tell u..........u face obstacles first with linux,agreed but after configuring and customizing which take less time than installing drivers/antivirus/anitspyware/softwares on windows u'll experience a complete freedom! I mean u wont have to worry about nething like u do for windows for viruses/BSODs etc!

Just tried kororaa these days & damn, linux user friendliness sux big time

1) Why do I have to edit the xorg.config file manually, to change the resolution or load new NVIDIA drivers, can't I chose it from some menu etc, or something like Windows or Mac, just do that for me & run the script internally, isn't that what Mac & Windows do

2) The new NVIDIA drivers need the kernel source files, cos they need to be compiled, why is that so......isn't there a standard in linux, in which one linux drivers works everywhere?

3) Mac OS X finder & Windows Explorer are much better then nautilus of Gnome...trust me

4) How to customize, isn't this something which should be given in some manual, or should be allowed to do so easily.....I don't want to run 100000 commands & edit 100 of files

5) After I install, I have to hunt for drivers, reason...one driver of one linux doesn't fit to any other linux....where the hell is ease of use here, my audigy & onboard audio, both don't work

6) Software installation is not easy like double click,, make package, compile from source & god knows what else....can't it do it automatically in the background & show me what’s going on, just in graphical way like Windows installer, or simply drag & drop, like Mac OS application installation

7) by default only mpeg play, can't play mp4, mov, rm, anything else, at least give me an option in the media player or the OS itself that the codec is not here & I have to download & install "particular codec" & do so automatically, in the background, instead of making me download, then unpack, compile...make from source & lots of other tasks

The claim, that the companies are doing it for free....so give them some time etc, is not an excuse...cos they make money by the support etc, so why not give me that support & make it easy

Linux won't loose its security, if they just give something like Desktop properties of Windows XP or even add/remove program, just remove the damn commanding completely

[mehulved]

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

Just tried kororaa these days & damn, linux user friendliness sux big time

You were all praises for it 2 days back???

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

1) Why do I have to edit the xorg.config file manually, to change the resolution or load new NVIDIA drivers, can't I chose it from some menu etc, or something like Windows or Mac, just do that for me & run the script internally, isn't that what Mac & Windows do

I have no clue on this topic so I'd rather keep my mouth shut in this case.

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

2) The new NVIDIA drivers need the kernel source files, cos they need to be compiled, why is that so......isn't there a standard in linux, in which one linux drivers works everywhere?

There is read up on it. You need to do some lessons before speaking up.

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

3) Mac OS X finder & Windows Explorer are much better then nautilus of Gnome...trust me

I dunno about finder. But Explorer is better than Nautilus or even Konqueror! Please I will fall off my seat laughing. Don't make such jokes. Ever heard Nautilius of for that matter any other file manager in linux crashing the whole system?

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

4) How to customize, isn't this something which should be given in some manual, or should be allowed to do so easily.....I don't want to run 100000 commands & edit 100 of files

You don't even know of the commands that exist in linux and you are speaking. Linux has a big manual right inside the system. Type 'man' at the command prompt. Or itf you are scared that you can't remember so many commands then you can see help under System in GNOME panel.

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

5) After I install, I have to hunt for drivers, reason...one driver of one linux doesn't fit to any other linux....where the hell is ease of use here, my audigy & onboard audio, both don't work

I can easily find whatever drivers I need after some searches on google. BTW, this isn't the fault of linux. Go and complain about this to the hardware manufacturers. they are the ones who don't supply the drivers.

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

6) Software installation is not easy like double click,, make package, compile from source & god knows what else....can't it do it automatically in the background & show me what’s going on, just in graphical way like Windows installer, or simply drag & drop, like Mac OS application installation

lol Did you ever try? RPM's can be installed by double clicking. Have you ever opened synaptic in Ubuntu or any debain based distro? It doesn't even need double click. Or if you can come down to prehistoric days of command line and type a rather complex command

sudo apt-get install <name of the application>

You need not click twice .
Also, there's one project klik. Do some research on it. It lets you install software with just one click. Neat ain't it? Better than windows? Now, don't sit crying, it's still under devellopment and not included in any distro so it will be difficult installing the klik's framework. But, it has some prospects for the future.

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

7) by default only mpeg play, can't play mp4, mov, rm, anything else, at least give me an option in the media player or the OS itself that the codec is not here & I have to download & install "particular codec" & do so automatically, in the background, instead of making me download, then unpack, compile...make from source & lots of other tasks

Didn't you pay MS for that? Pay Novell or Red Hat and you will get all that and much more working out of the box and a lot better support than MS. Haven't you ever heard of copyright and IP's? If they don't allow linux to bundle their technologies for free what can linux vendors do?

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

The claim, that the companies are doing it for free....so give them some time etc, is not an excuse...cos they make money by the support etc, so why not give me that support & make it easy

Pay them and get better support than MS. But, you'd never pay for it. Linux is something that should be obtained free na?

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

Linux won't loose its security, if they just give something like Desktop properties of Windows XP or even add/remove program, just remove the damn commanding completely

There is a lot of GUI now-a-days if you just care to look around. And if you want linux to become like windows forget it.

As I told you the other day. You belong to windows community stick there. You have very good knowledge there. You are a misfit for linux philosophy, you will never find linux suiting your needs.
Let's better stay where we are more comfortable. Your knowledge lies with windows. Just stay there and help the windows community to scale bigger heights.

Don't try to make Linux into Windows. Or Ubuntu into OS X. You will never be able to do it. Each is different from the other and has it's own strenghts and weaknesses.

[borg]

Typical Linux fanatic talk. Whenever someone makes some criticism of Linux, they turn around & start attacking Windows & throw abuse at the people. As if it means something!.

lol Did you ever try? RPM's can be installed by double clicking. Have you ever opened synaptic in Ubuntu or any debain based distro? It doesn't even need double click. Or if you can come down to prehistoric days of command line and type a rather complex command
Code:

sudo apt-get install <name of the application>

Sure, sure. When I double click an rpm on my FC5, it asks me which application to use to open it!. Also yum can only be used for applications on repositories. What if I have the software on a CD?. Linux installation procedures must be improved. It is nowhere as good as it can be. No matter what the Linux zealots say.

I don't understand what is the problem with making Linux a little more user friendly. Linux fanatics have a misconception that making it easier to use will somehow make it bad. I don't how that can happen. Linux doesn't even have to be like Windows. Linux can be Linux & still be easy to use. It is currently not easy to use & it is not getting any easier to use either. There haven't been many improvements on this front. I have seen FC3 to FC5. Not much has changed in the ease of use department.

[kalpik]

Fedora Core is just one distro.. Try others too, and you'l be amazed at how user friendly and easy linux can be! Linux is very scalable. I myself have both windows and linux. I agree i DO have to boot into windows for things. But otherwise linux takes care of 99% of things. And call me a zeelot or whatever, but now (after spending some time with linux) i feel the linux way of installing things *much* better! Try Synaptic or Adept. Anyway, the question is not which is better, but which works better for *you*. And please be mature enough, not to start flame wars on such a silly issue!

[borg]

I ain't trying to start any war. Just discussiong issues, that all. Now if Linux fans start poking fun, just because someone made some criticism about Linux, then we have a problem.

I have tried ubuntu as well as Mandriva. I don't agree that synaptic or Yum or anything equivalent for that matter is sufficient. These are fo installing software from the net. What if i have a CD for example?. I can't install using synaptic or yum, can I?.

[kalpik]

For that, there's the rpm or dpkg command. If you have the software on CD, it would most definately bundled with the dependancies.

[prashanthnbhat]

if one needs to be a programmer to be working in an OS, how can it be so inviting? so effective?
earlier DOS was despised because you needed to learn all the commands. windows is so user friendly. no need to remember any commands. i'm not a windows programmer. but i've been using it effectively for 4 years.
i'm a new user of linux. just have installed a fedora. i'm not able to install a modem driver and connect to the net yet. i can't figure out what the problem is. red hat was no better.
therefore, even if windows is paid, it is better. it has evolved. win 98 was a little difficult. but the current win xp is the best

[martian]

Originally Posted by sarincv

I hate linux for the following reasons.

---It is very difficult to install on a system having another OS

---Irritating when installing packages due to dependancies

---All linux do'nt support all audio n graphics cards( I had problems with SUSE
.screen goes blank after booting)

---It is not at all user friendly. A new user always struggles

---Don't have our favourite applications
(Can't play mp3s and videos in ubuntu)

Windows is the best!!!

Oops.. Ayyo! How can anyone hate Linux? It's the best OS I've ever come across! Come on friend, once you start using it, you'll get to love it's sheer potential!

kalpik, u r just saying what i hate the most about linux, commanding

Ok, it's true that i like Windows cos it just works, linux maybe a secure OS as stated by the users etc, cos no one attacks linux, due to the reason only a few will be affected, & plz don't start the IIS vs Apache like discussion here

But, Linux is nowhere user friendly like Windows, Mehul, u yourself were having problem in burning the Windows Vista beta 2 DVD ISO with linux isn't it, u had to download some udftools, just to recognise the UDF format in K3B ,although we assumed the file is curropt, but u didn't even try burning it in Nero

when i said, there is no standerd in linux due to which one driver for one distro doesn't work with many others, was i wrong?

Explorer crashing the whole system, plz stop comparing Windows 98 with Ubuntu 6 etc, in Windows XP even if explorer crash, it simply restarts, & nothing else crashes along with it, atleast this has never happened with me

The hardware manufacturers have a bussiness to run, thye don't support linux properly, cos they will have to make many drivers, for many distros out there, remember in linux, one size doesn't fit all, in case of drivers, this is where i say, it lacks a standerd

RPM also asks me to chose an application to open it with, this is something which should be inbuilt in linux

If u remember, the only thing i liked in Linux until now, is XGL, as the capability that it used Hardware based UI rendering....although with Vista, this is something i won't miss anymore...so again linux seems inferior to Windows as far as user friendlyness goes

[prashanthnbhat]

can anybody tell me, how to install a modem driver from a source RPM?

[mehulved]

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

But, Linux is nowhere user friendly like Windows, Mehul, u yourself were having problem in burning the Windows Vista beta 2 DVD ISO with linux isn't it, u had to download some udftools, just to recognise the UDF format in K3B ,although we assumed the file is curropt, but u didn't even try burning it in Nero

I did try burning in nero and it threw me 1001 errors without any explaination. In the end it did turn out that the iso was bad. Infact MS could have made it easier if it had given md5sum or sha1sum. I compared md5sum of the torrent and my downloaded file. They didn't match. So, I do beileve it was corrupted.

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

when i said, there is no standerd in linux due to which one driver for one distro doesn't work with many others, was i wrong?

no

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

Explorer crashing the whole system, plz stop comparing Windows 98 with Ubuntu 6 etc, in Windows XP even if explorer crash, it simply restarts, & nothing else crashes along with it, atleast this has never happened with me

It has happened to me in XP. Not only at my house but also at the cyber cafe. I haven't used any version of windows before XP.

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

The hardware manufacturers have a bussiness to run, thye don't support linux properly, cos they will have to make many drivers, for many distros out there, remember in linux, one size doesn't fit all, in case of drivers, this is where i say, it lacks a standerd.

You can't complain if the hardware manufacturer's aren't ready to support linux. How can it be the fault of linux. If you were let alone in some maze without any help on how to come out of it, would you be able to come out by the most easiest way? Now, what if you had a map of the maze. It makes a big difference. One driver always fits all distros. If manufacturers can give out open source drivers then they can even be bundled right within the OS without end user ever having to care about it.

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

RPM also asks me to chose an application to open it with, this is something which should be inbuilt in linux

OK my fault here. I haven't used rpm based distros for quite a while. Lately I did use FC5 but I am lot more at home with command line. Maybe I had made file association or something then. I can't be that sure right now.

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

If u remember, the only thing i liked in Linux until now, is XGL, as the capability that it used Hardware based UI rendering....although with Vista, this is something i won't miss anymore...so again linux seems inferior to Windows as far as user friendlyness goes

That depends on each person's point of view. As I said I am equally used to windows and linux and find myself at equal ease with both UI's. As I said before. if you don't like linux, why do you care to use it? To make it function as OS X. Man OS X is a different OS and Linux can't function as OS X.
As I said before too. Each OS has it's own strenghts and weaknesses, so does linux and windows.
Both have diffirent aims. So, of course their designs and objectives will differ.
And I am not saying that any OS is superior, cos I don't know any of the OS'es inside out.

[borg]

The RPM/Deb way of installing is pathetic to be honest. It is really arcane & it doesn't give you any info at all. I remember, the first time I installed using rpm, I had no idea as to where the application was installed or if it was installed at all. No confirmation, no nothing. These are small things which have been totally ignored by the Linux designers. these small things go a long way I must say. A totally new way of installing software needs to be built.

[rohandhruva]

Originally Posted by sarincv

I hate linux for the following reasons.

---It is very difficult to install on a system having another OS

How can you say that is it difficult ? Just partition disk, and select that using a gui - distros like PCLinuxOS, Fedora, SUSE, Ubuntu have friendly graphical installers, so this is made very easy !

Originally Posted by sarincv

---Irritating when installing packages due to dependancies

Ever heard of "apt" and "yum" ? And if you want gui, "synaptic" and "pirut" ?

Originally Posted by sarincv

---All linux do'nt support all audio n graphics cards( I had problems with SUSE
.screen goes blank after booting)

Did you report bug on the suse bugzilla ? If you dont help the community, how can you expect perfection ? If you say "but, windows does it", it is because most manufacturers would do anything to get their hardware work on windows, since that is what most people use - linux enjoys no such support.

Originally Posted by sarincv

---It is not at all user friendly. A new user always struggles

If you dont find PCLinuxOS and Ubuntu friendly, how can you even tolerate Windows ? PCLOS and Ubuntu are way more friendly than Windows, assuming that by "friendly" you mean a person will be able to find his way around. Atleast in most distros you don't click on "Start" to shut down your computer !

Originally Posted by sarincv

(Can't play mp3s and videos in ubuntu)

Here, from #suse

Novell did not include MP3 decoders/encoders in their distro because the Fraunhofer guys are greedy *******s. $60,000 is far from reasonable, http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html

Do you understand that though microsoft has the money to pay Fraunhoffer, Novell and other linux
companies dont ! How about donating ?
Read the ubuntu page to know why linux can't support mp3 and other video codecs out of the box ! And ofcourse guides exist, to do just that - One stop reference for enabling multimedia in Linux
And, PCLinuxOS includes every possible codec by default - try it !

Originally Posted by sarincv

Windows is the best!!!

Go troll somewhere else !

Most of your comments are made out of ignorance..

[GNUrag]

Originally Posted by rohandhruva

Atleast in most distros you don't click on "Start" to shut down your computer !

LOL, that was the most insightful remark in this entire thread :-P :-P :-P