Torvalds tells users to switch to KDE!

naveenchandran · 14-12-2005, 05:02 PM

Without tip-toeing around the matter, Linus Torvalds made his preference in the GNOME vs. KDE matter quite clear on the GNOME-usability list: "I personally just encourage people to switch to KDE. This 'users are idiots, and are confused by functionality' mentality of Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it. I don't use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long since reached the point where it simply doesn't do what I need it to do. Please, just tell people to use KDE." Also, "Gnome seems to be developed by interface nazis, where consistently the excuse for not doing something is not 'it's too complicated to do', but 'it would confuse users'."

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12956

Gnome Mailing Lists:

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabi.../msg00021.html

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usabi.../msg00022.html

vignesh · 14-12-2005, 05:36 PM

I still like Gnome..It just takes some time..

praka123 · 14-12-2005, 05:36 PM

whatever Linus's attitude,GNOME is the future and am die-hard fan of GNOME.GNOME will improve...

desertwind · 14-12-2005, 09:29 PM

I prefer to be an idiot

mehulved · 14-12-2005, 10:37 PM

I personally prefer KDE but I don't think GNOME is that bad. I loved the GNOME interface on Ubntu 5.10 live cd it seemed so great.
We as open source proponents should promote both. After all competition is something that brings out the best in competitors.
LONG LIVE KDE! LONG LIVE GNOME! LING LIVE OSS!

dIgItaL_BrAt · 14-12-2005, 11:22 PM

Both KDE and GNOME are good.It's just a matter of personal preference.

Satissh S · 15-12-2005, 08:59 AM

Arre yar!! Stop this GNOME vs KDE cr*p. Why do linus wan't to promote KDe vs GNOMe when both can be coexist peacefully! This splits up the entire community. This is bad and for OSS to blossom to new levels we've gotta be united. When redhat on one end trying to make GNOME and KDE look same with the bluecurve theme, why is this cra* is said by linus..

I personally prefer Enlightenment , ICEWM, FVWM b'coz they are light and extremely customisable.

BTW My first dislike about kde or gnome, is their "not so original" menu button. Why do we need buttons to open a menu. When we can do so with a right click. If we got go and click that button to open a menu and browse thro' apps it takes a lotta time ain't it?

I didn't want to offend any GNOME or KDE users here. Just offered my free opinion.

vignesh · 15-12-2005, 09:04 AM

This same fight is going on in the Tux Magazine as well..I have started trying other wm`s .. have tried about 9 now...

cryptid · 15-12-2005, 02:16 PM

Gnome Rulez!!!! i feel KDE is just a Lame clone of Windows(its good for ppl who are migrating from windows to Linux), and whats wrong with things being simple i like gnome and i always will, i think we need to start a poll on Gnome Vs KDE and see who wins

And for some reason i think Linus is being paid loads of money to promote KDE

Satissh S · 15-12-2005, 02:23 PM

I saw that it was in one of his mailing lists, so no doubt that he said it. May be he might have adviced newbies to give kde a try. But the "GNOME-idiots" thingy seems too much..

gauravnawani · 15-12-2005, 05:29 PM

For the record Linus himself uses Gnome, and he was not asking to switch per se he was barking mad over the gnome developer's unusually high rigidnes(may be stubborness) to HCI conformation.

He made pretty valid points, Instead of assuming UI for a dumb user they should provide powerful features too, some of us all might want to use them after all. They are making things neat & clean, much too clean akin to removing all features??

GNOME has also been switching things over a lot lately, nautilus has become like a mordern dance instructor, evey major roll has either switched back to old features or changed radically.

HCI has done an incridible job at improving the Desktop quality on Linux, but there are time when you need to let it go, Apple the trailblaizer in HCI in its MAC OS also sometimes goes easy on HCI for funcnality.

Vignesh actualy Tuxmagazine is another issue, she (you know what I mean) is a fanatic, so she rants most things with hate rather than making a valid argument. She rants a lot and Big boss supports here a lot.

Cryptid this argument holds good generally but, the important thing is Linux have choice of either desktops. So poll is nothing but a waste of energy. If you want I can tell you the out come KDE have more users as plain as that. Gnome seem to be popluar with more geekys.

Satish S you just skimmed over it rightoo??

Satissh S · 15-12-2005, 05:49 PM

Yeah, I just saw the top and he had answered to someone's query..I guess!

mediator · 17-12-2005, 02:33 AM

wow first we have linux vs windows, then unix vs linux and now fight goes internel gnome vs kde, what da heck!!

gauravnawani · 17-12-2005, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mediator

wow first we have linux vs windows, then unix vs linux and now fight goes internel gnome vs kde, what da heck!!

First one is for 'Fanatics' second one is for 'geeky fanatics' third one is for 'Fanatics'.

So now do you really see war happening??

vignesh · 17-12-2005, 08:01 AM

YA the war has begun...But I don`t see the problem if the geeks know even the internals of Linux and they can`t understand how to use Gnome..They are stupid not the people who use Gnome..

Satissh S · 17-12-2005, 08:20 AM

Well.. You guys missed out, Vi Vs. Emacs. War for the spookeys..

razorjack · 18-12-2005, 02:00 AM

I have tried both gnome and kde extensively.... but i have to agree on one thing ... being a poweruser ... gmome limits me to a damning dumbness. I find myself diving to the console everytime in gnome.

Right now im running a beautifully configured kde desktop... the latest ...eye candy i've added is Tango Desktop courtesy of the www.tango-project.com.

With kde i've got everything i need accessible in a coupla clicks. And whats with the file dialog boxes in gnome ... try accessing a file in /usr/lib/some/file ... in kde u can directly jump to the last dir.

One thing gnome has given is a major case of carpel tunnel syndrome with the number of clicks required to do anything.

vignesh · 18-12-2005, 08:52 AM

@Satissh.

I actually prefer vi.My favorite and my second favorite is nano...that is a remake of pico.

Satissh S · 18-12-2005, 01:46 PM

I also prefer vi but i like emacs b'coz it was written by Richard Stallman!

desertwind · 18-12-2005, 09:30 PM

Me oo perefers vi. emacs seems too geeky for me.

vignesh · 19-12-2005, 07:11 AM

Emacs is a bit geeky...Once you learn it your in heaven..
I am using nano nowdays..

GNUrag · 20-12-2005, 04:03 PM

Well Emacs is the one for me.
I could never manage the escapse sequences in vi

Maybe that's because i learnt Emacs first and tried to learn vi later on

theKonqueror · 20-12-2005, 11:37 PM

vi rulez.....
esc :wq enter

planetcall · 22-12-2005, 08:33 AM

this vs that is no war but a debate which has existed ever since human evolution started. I feel KDE is much better than GNOME. I have got both the lastest versions and must say KDE rulez. It got true transparency and myriad of features. On the other hand Gnome has also become beautiful but due to lack of extensibility and oversimplicity is what makes me a bit uncomfortable with it. For all new users.......KDE is much beautiful and is more similar to windows in terms of its menus and overall appearance. Go for the latest one guys!! BTW see this screenshot of mine using Gnome. It looks really good.
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-oUA3l...FWaP76xI8?p=32