HOw does Arch 'Roll'

chesss · 01-06-2009, 10:55 PM

Thinking of giving arch linux a try.
One thing concerns me. I read that arch is rolling update kind of distro . How exactly does this work ?
My concern is will I have to upgrade my system (while potentially breaking it ) every 3 months just to install the latest version of a package . I read that upgrading, just like other distros may not be smooth.

Basically it feels like a high-maintenance distro. One that might easily break.

What I really want to avoid is one of those distros in which a dist-upgrade could very well break your system. But the dist-upgrade is required to install the latest apps from the package manager.

The Unknown · 02-06-2009, 07:33 PM

If you have experience of Linux then Arch won't break. Arch is very complicated to n00bs.

Get some experience with other user friendly distros and then move to Arch.

**MetalheadGautham** · 02-06-2009, 08:18 PM

I use arch and it has not broken ever, since several months back when I installed it.

And doing a System Upgrade here is perfectly alright and does not b0rk the PC.

I run the update command DAILY.

Unlike debian sid, which I think is the distro you are refering to which causes issues upon upgrading 1 in 10 times, arch only has stable updates and they are all 99.99% safe.

But don't join the arch club unless you have enough experience with linux. I recommend you to move to Debian Testing (Squeeze) first and try it for a few months. Install a minimal commandline system and then build the rest of the system from there. Once you do this you have gained valuble commandline experience. Then you can join the arch gang.

And BTW, arch has next to ZERO maintainence. Its also called the distro for lazy geeks.

chesss · 02-06-2009, 10:29 PM

I got concerned after reading this post .
Nice to know this one doesn't break

a_k_s_h_a_y · 02-06-2009, 11:34 PM

I have arch, I used to update regulary, haven't updated for a while and it works just fine and very smooth.
Will go for complete re-install according to new needs !

kalpik · 03-06-2009, 12:52 PM

I use arch.. And i do a system upgrade twice daily

And its totally noob friendly if you know how to read. The wiki is an awesome resource and everything is well documented.

People even run arch testing (which also considered VERY stable)! The only instability is in the unstable repo.. I myself use quite many packages from testing every now and then. Trust me, its a very nice distro

kalpik · 03-06-2009, 12:52 PM

I use arch.. And i do a system upgrade twice daily

And its totally noob friendly if you know how to read. The wiki is an awesome resource and everything is well documented.

People even run arch testing (which also considered VERY stable)! The only instability is in the unstable repo.. I myself use quite many packages from testing every now and then. Trust me, its a very nice distro

chesss · 03-06-2009, 02:44 PM

Quote:

People even run arch testing (which also considered VERY stable

well konqueror has crashed a few times already

. But I am using kdemod, which isn't official

kalpik · 03-06-2009, 03:05 PM

Yup.. Use official KDE.. Though KDE4 in itself has some stability issues.. So you cannot blame it on arch

chesss · 03-06-2009, 06:36 PM

oh damn yet another distro with some obscure problem

. With arch its random dropping of network! that or a random pause while downloading from the repo bug.

Besides I can't install Opera 10 beta 1 on it! formatting time...

hullap · 03-06-2009, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesss

oh damn yet another distro with some obscure problem

. With arch its random dropping of network! that or a random pause while downloading from the repo bug.

Besides I can't install Opera 10 beta 1 on it! formatting time...

ive never encoutered those 'bugs'

Faun · 03-06-2009, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesss

oh damn yet another distro with some obscure problem

. With arch its random dropping of network! that or a random pause while downloading from the repo bug.

Besides I can't install Opera 10 beta 1 on it! formatting time...

Nice !

kalpik · 03-06-2009, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesss

oh damn yet another distro with some obscure problem

. With arch its random dropping of network! that or a random pause while downloading from the repo bug.

Besides I can't install Opera 10 beta 1 on it! formatting time...

Wow.. That's it? Great!

http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=18994

chesss · 04-06-2009, 02:47 PM

^ Thanks, but thats not the beta version

Crazykiller · 04-06-2009, 03:00 PM

What exactly is Arch???
Would you mind giving some insight into Arch to a newbie?

Crazykiller · 04-06-2009, 03:01 PM

arob = Arch Rolling on Back

kalpik · 04-06-2009, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesss

^ Thanks, but thats not the beta version

yes. but you can just modify the PKGBUILD!

kalpik · 04-06-2009, 07:51 PM

wait.. someone did it! http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=27001

chesss · 04-06-2009, 10:53 PM

^That is fast. I guess packages appear in Aur faster than in other distros community repos

15-06-2009, 06:57 PM

Arch + KDEmod is the best. There is an Arch derivative called Chakra which is basically an Arch + KDEmod livecd.

kgas · 31-08-2009, 06:49 PM

Chess, wet your hands first. Don't use AUR first unless you know what your are doing. IMO Arch is having detailed documentation. pacman is very nice and best among all the distros. Arch won't bind your hands

chesss · 31-08-2009, 10:42 PM

Quote:

pacman is very nice and best among all the distros.

I have heard this statement for almost every distro. xyz's package manager is the best among all distros

Rahim · 03-09-2009, 07:57 PM

^All the package manager does the same thing: Download and install application

So which is better and which is not is not the main point.

01-06-2009, 10:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
chesss mera kutch nahi ho sakta Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delhi Posts: 880	HOw does Arch 'Roll' Thinking of giving arch linux a try. One thing concerns me. I read that arch is rolling update kind of distro . How exactly does this work ? My concern is will I have to upgrade my system (while potentially breaking it ) every 3 months just to install the latest version of a package . I read that upgrading, just like other distros may not be smooth. Basically it feels like a high-maintenance distro. One that might easily break. What I really want to avoid is one of those distros in which a dist-upgrade could very well break your system. But the dist-upgrade is required to install the latest apps from the package manager. __________________ jin files ka koi server nahi hota unka bittorrent hota hai

02-06-2009, 07:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
The Unknown Wise Old Owl Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pune, Maharashtra, India Posts: 1,728	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' If you have experience of Linux then Arch won't break. Arch is very complicated to n00bs. Get some experience with other user friendly distros and then move to Arch. __________________ KDE on ArchLinux PHP, MySQL, PostgreSQL, Linux, Apache; Message me to hire (freelancing only) Explore Technology @ http://www.itech7.com Cheap and Reliable VPS Hosting @ http://j.mp/arHk5e

02-06-2009, 08:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
MetalheadGautham The Smaller Bang Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Gautham City Posts: 7,431	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' I use arch and it has not broken ever, since several months back when I installed it. And doing a System Upgrade here is perfectly alright and does not b0rk the PC. I run the update command DAILY. Unlike debian sid, which I think is the distro you are refering to which causes issues upon upgrading 1 in 10 times, arch only has stable updates and they are all 99.99% safe. But don't join the arch club unless you have enough experience with linux. I recommend you to move to Debian Testing (Squeeze) first and try it for a few months. Install a minimal commandline system and then build the rest of the system from there. Once you do this you have gained valuble commandline experience. Then you can join the arch gang. And BTW, arch has next to ZERO maintainence. Its also called the distro for lazy geeks. __________________ http://TheSmallerBang.wordpress.com eMachines E725 - T4400 2.2GHz, 1GB, 160GB Nokia 5130XM * T-Sonic 610 2GB Nokia 2323C * Samsung Galaxy Y Apple iPad 2 16GB WiFi

02-06-2009, 10:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
chesss mera kutch nahi ho sakta Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delhi Posts: 880	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' I got concerned after reading this post . Nice to know this one doesn't break __________________ jin files ka koi server nahi hota unka bittorrent hota hai

02-06-2009, 11:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
a_k_s_h_a_y Wise Old Owl Join Date: May 2007 Location: bangalore Posts: 1,855	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' I have arch, I used to update regulary, haven't updated for a while and it works just fine and very smooth. Will go for complete re-install according to new needs ! __________________ Sony Ericsson Flashing, Modding, Patching, Hacking And More ! http://www.akshayy.com/sonyericsson/

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03-06-2009, 12:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
kalpik In Pursuit of "Happyness" Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,404	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' I use arch.. And i do a system upgrade twice daily And its totally noob friendly if you know how to read. The wiki is an awesome resource and everything is well documented. People even run arch testing (which also considered VERY stable)! The only instability is in the unstable repo.. I myself use quite many packages from testing every now and then. Trust me, its a very nice distro __________________ Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

03-06-2009, 12:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
kalpik In Pursuit of "Happyness" Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,404	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' I use arch.. And i do a system upgrade twice daily And its totally noob friendly if you know how to read. The wiki is an awesome resource and everything is well documented. People even run arch testing (which also considered VERY stable)! The only instability is in the unstable repo.. I myself use quite many packages from testing every now and then. Trust me, its a very nice distro __________________ Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

03-06-2009, 03:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
kalpik In Pursuit of "Happyness" Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,404	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' Yup.. Use official KDE.. Though KDE4 in itself has some stability issues.. So you cannot blame it on arch __________________ Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

03-06-2009, 06:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
chesss mera kutch nahi ho sakta Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delhi Posts: 880	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' oh damn yet another distro with some obscure problem . With arch its random dropping of network! that or a random pause while downloading from the repo bug. Besides I can't install Opera 10 beta 1 on it! formatting time... __________________ jin files ka koi server nahi hota unka bittorrent hota hai

04-06-2009, 02:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
chesss mera kutch nahi ho sakta Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delhi Posts: 880	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' ^ Thanks, but thats not the beta version __________________ jin files ka koi server nahi hota unka bittorrent hota hai

04-06-2009, 03:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
Crazykiller Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Un monde utopique Posts: 451	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' What exactly is Arch??? Would you mind giving some insight into Arch to a newbie?

04-06-2009, 03:01 PM	#16 (permalink)
Crazykiller Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Un monde utopique Posts: 451	Arch Rolls on It's Back when we say "arob" arob = Arch Rolling on Back

04-06-2009, 07:51 PM	#18 (permalink)
kalpik In Pursuit of "Happyness" Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 3,404	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' wait.. someone did it! http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=27001 __________________ Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

04-06-2009, 10:53 PM	#19 (permalink)
chesss mera kutch nahi ho sakta Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delhi Posts: 880	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' ^That is fast. I guess packages appear in Aur faster than in other distros community repos __________________ jin files ka koi server nahi hota unka bittorrent hota hai

15-06-2009, 06:57 PM	#20 (permalink)
rb210 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' Arch + KDEmod is the best. There is an Arch derivative called Chakra which is basically an Arch + KDEmod livecd.

31-08-2009, 06:49 PM	#21 (permalink)
kgas Right Off the Assembly Line Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 9	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' Chess, wet your hands first. Don't use AUR first unless you know what your are doing. IMO Arch is having detailed documentation. pacman is very nice and best among all the distros. Arch won't bind your hands

03-09-2009, 07:57 PM	#23 (permalink)
Rahim Married! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Calcutta Posts: 1,515	Re: HOw does Arch 'Roll' ^All the package manager does the same thing: Download and install application So which is better and which is not is not the main point. __________________ \|\| GNU/Linux User \|\| PCLOS KDE 4.6 \|\| 17" DELL Studio \|\| topdocumentaryfilms.com

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