3G iPhone 2.0

[nikhilpai]

Apple is expected to launch the 3G version of its iPhone, the iPhone 2.0 tomorrow (9th June)

And while the new iPhone is expected to be available almost immediately in the US, I suspect that it might be available in India also very soon. While Vodafone & Airtel have announced that the iPhone would be launched before the year end, I won't be surprised if it is made available in India in June itself.

And While the first iPhone was a disaster is many ways, lets hope that iPhone 2.0 is better.

[krates]

great news i think in india the new version will be launched

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by nikeel

While the first iPhone was a disaster is many ways

LOL!

[nikhilpai]

Originally Posted by aryayush

LOL!

amd64_man2005 will not stop defending SE & aryayush will not stop defending Apple.
Lage raho

[aryayush]

I was just laughing. That’s hardly defending. The iPhone doesn’t really need any defending from comments like that one.

If it has been such a “disaster”, you wouldn’t have been awaiting the second version quite so eagerly.

[Pathik]

Like it or not, The iPhone was a super hit despite some really crappy mistakes. If they manage to add everything in it this time, they ll blow away all competition.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by aryayush

LOL!

Hello iBoy

If my personal openion was asked, I would say ALL phones above 10k are not worth their price. Its always better to get a small PSP/Laptop + cheap phone if maximum features is what you desire.

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by Pathik

Like it or not, The iPhone was a super hit despite some really crappy mistakes.

I agree and disagree at the same time. Yes, it had some major exclusions that might’ve killed the phone before it got a chance.

But it did spectacularly well despite them. What does that teach you? That Steve Jobs is a genius and knows what sells.

That was the first version of the device. The first iPod had 5GB of space, was as thick as a deck of cards, had poor battery life and a monochromatic screen. Look at where it is today.

You can’t do it all at once. It’s a gradual, evolutionary process. Even at a 1.0 release, the iPhone went beyond what any phone had been capable of thus far. Sure, it didn’t have all the features they did, but they will all come in due time.

It doesn’t do video recording, GPS, 3G, Bluetooth, etc.. These things can be added in a subsequent release. But what it does get right in one attempt—the user interface—is something other phone companies have been struggling to perfect for the past few decades and they’re nowhere near the iPhone. I think their problems are far more significant and difficult to fix than Apple’s.

Give credit where it is due: the iPhone is a smash hit, and deservedly so. It doesn’t do some things but what it does, it does like nothing has ever been able to before. That’s gotta count for something.

Originally Posted by Pathik

If they manage to add everything in it this time, they ll blow away all competition.

And how do you propose they’ll sell the next version? Why do you think Nokia doesn’t add all features into one super-phone and price it reasonably? Because it doesn’t make any sense from a business perspective and no one knows that better than Steve Jobs.

[krates]

iphone main concern was on looks

[aryayush]

But not the only concern.

[nikhilpai]

Originally Posted by aryayush

If it has been such a “disaster”, you wouldn’t have been awaiting the second version quite so eagerly.

I am awaiting the 2nd version so eagerly because I am hoping that Apple does not repeat the mistakes it did in its initial version.

If those mistakes are taken care of in the 2nd version, it will be the best phone out there.

Originally Posted by aryayush

You can’t do it all at once. It’s a gradual, evolutionary process. Even at a 1.0 release, the iPhone went beyond what any phone had been capable of thus far. Sure, it didn’t have all the features they did, but they will all come in due time.

It doesn’t do video recording, GPS, 3G, Bluetooth, etc.. These things can be added in a subsequent release. But what it does get right in one attempt—the user interface—is something other phone companies have been struggling to perfect for the past few decades and they’re nowhere near the iPhone. I think their problems are far more significant and difficult to fix than Apple’s.

And how do you propose they’ll sell the next version? Why do you think Nokia doesn’t add all features into one super-phone and price it reasonably? Because it doesn’t make any sense from a business perspective and no one knows that better than Steve Jobs.

I agree to what u r saying from Apple's business perspective. But I am not an Apple shareholder. As an end-user the first version of the iPhone was not good enough and thats what matters to me.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by nikeel

I am awaiting the 2nd version so eagerly because I am hoping that Apple does not repeat the mistakes it did in its initial version.

If those mistakes are taken care of in the 2nd version, it will be the best phone out there.



I agree to what u r saying from Apple's business perspective. But I am not an Apple shareholder. As an end-user the first version of the iPhone was not good enough and thats what matters to me.

the main problem with apple is its approach.
Good UI != Features

Take their leopard os for example. Pretty looking design and dock but no Office Suite

N95 8GB, N97, iPhone and other phones in similar price range also compete against other gadgets as a whole in the same price band. So it needs to be jam packed with features to sell more.

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by nikeel

As an end-user the first version of the iPhone was not good enough and thats what matters to me.

That I agree with. By all means, wait for the second version then.

What I disagree with is your calling the first version a “disaster in many ways”. That’s simply not true. I’m using it and, even with it’s drawbacks, it’s the best phone out there by a wide margin.

The number of features has never held much importance for me. It’s all about the quality of said features.

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

Take their leopard os for example. Pretty looking design and dock but no Office Suite

What the Hell are you talking about? There’s iWork ’08, Microsoft Office 2008 and those free, open source things too. What’s missing from the equation?

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

So it needs to be jam packed with features to sell more.

No, it doesn’t. By your own admission, it’s not “jam packed with features” right now and clearly, it’s selling like no other phone has ever managed to right now.

[nikhilpai]

Originally Posted by aryayush

That I agree with. By all means, wait for the second version then.

What I disagree with is your calling the first version a “disaster in many ways”. That’s simply not true. I’m using it and, even with it’s drawbacks, it’s the best phone out there by a wide margin.

The number of features has never held much importance for me. It’s all about the quality of said features.

The reason I termed it a disaster because it was a waste of a good phone. The iPhone's UI is simply the best & surfing the net on its safari browser is simply amazing. The same phone without those defects would have been just superb....which I am hoping the second version would be.

For me, its both...I need quantity as well as quality of features.... a tough customer to satisfy

[dtox]

does anyone have the entire specs of iphone 2.0? also how much is it gonna cost in india?? ne guesses?

from wat i hav read, its gonna cost $200.. thats like 8k.. i dont think it will be that cheap!!

[nikhilpai]

Originally Posted by dtox

does anyone have the entire specs of iphone 2.0? also how much is it gonna cost in india?? ne guesses?

from wat i hav read, its gonna cost $200.. thats like 8k.. i dont think it will be that cheap!!

Noone except Steve Jobs knows its features. The rumours only confirm that besides 3G it will have GPS. Everything else is uncertain.

The $200 cost is the subsidised cost by operators. It won't be available for that price in India.

[aryayush]

Just out of curiosity, how long have you used the iPhone?

[nikhilpai]

Originally Posted by aryayush

Just out of curiosity, how long have you used the iPhone?

I have a friend in office who has an iPhone. I have done everything right from setting it up to showing him how its used. U can say I have used it more than he himself has used it
Its 6 months or more since I m seeing it daily.

[aryayush]

OK, I can’t fault your judgement then. I hope the second one better suits your needs.

Though, I can tell you in advance, it is going to have no less emphasis on design and animations and it’s still going to lack some features that are commonplace on other phones. That’s just how Apple rolls. The iPod, for example, doesn’t have an FM radio to this day and never will.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by aryayush

What the Hell are you talking about? There’s iWork ’08, Microsoft Office 2008 and those free, open source things too. What’s missing from the equation?

I told bundled by default.
If you install Leopard, you need to install an app manually later.

Originally Posted by aryayush

No, it doesn’t. By your own admission, it’s not “jam packed with features” right now and clearly, it’s selling like no other phone has ever managed to right now.

It would sell more if it was jam packed with features

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by MetalheadGautham

I told bundled by default.

1. Every Mac comes with iWork ’08 bundled by default; and
2. It’s a trial version limited to thirty days because they are a business and need to make money. Expecting an office suite to be bundled with an operating system, specially one that only costs $129, is just plain cheap.

It’s not like Linux and never will be. You may see that as a disadvantage; I certainly don’t.

[MetalheadGautham]

Originally Posted by aryayush

1. Every Mac comes with iWork ’08 bundled by default; and
2. It’s a trial version limited to thirty days because they are a business and need to make money. Expecting an office suite to be bundled with an operating system, specially one that only costs $129, is just plain cheap.

It’s not like Linux and never will be. You may see that as a disadvantage; I certainly don’t.

For your information, office suites are some of the most basic apps ever in an operating system. Its as important as a Media Player or a Web Browser or a File Manager. These are four components no modern day OS can live without.

What do you mean an Office Suite with a 129$ is plain cheap ? If its anything over 20 dollars its got to have features, understand that.

One more funny thing is this: if they don't want to bundle their own Office Suite, why not bundle some other office suite like Neo Office ?

Other companies like Novell do that. They release versions with both commercial and free software, and mix these up to change cost of ownership.

And please stay on topic
Thats why I reduced size and altered colour.

[aryayush]

Yeah, I was the one who went off-topic. Riiight.

[dtox]

Originally Posted by nikeel

Noone except Steve Jobs knows its features. The rumours only confirm that besides 3G it will have GPS. Everything else is uncertain.

The $200 cost is the subsidised cost by operators. It won't be available for that price in India.

thanks for the info..

but i also read that vodafone and airtel have requested apple to reduce its prices so that it can atleast be affordable.. good luck with that!

[nikhilpai]

The new iPhone has been announced. At first glance though it does look disappointing.

Read this articles:
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18671/1103/
http://gizmodo.com/5014705/iphone-3g...t-get-upgraded
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/iphone-3g-hands-on

It has 3G and GPS and is cheaper.

But other than that, the old problems of the iPhone continue. Third party softwares may help to reduce some of the problems.

India launch date not yet known. In 22 countries it will launch on 11 July, but these 22 countries do not include India.

[aryayush]

Twenty, not twenty-two.

[nikhilpai]

Originally Posted by aryayush

Twenty, not twenty-two.

http://www.iphoneworld.ca/news/2008/...pan-celebrate/

[aryayush]

http://www.apple.com/iphone/countries/

It’s actually not even twenty.

[nikhilpai]

iPhone 2.0 Technical Specs:

http://www.apple.co.in/iphone/specs.html

[Hitboxx]

Duplicate thread, disussion already going on, please continue there.

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