Nokia to launch phone that stores 3,000 songs

[Sourabh]

Nokia to launch phone that stores 3,000 songs

Nokia on Wednesday announced a trio of new phones, including one that can store up to 3,000 songs.

The N91 has an integrated 4GB hard disk and supports digital music formats including MP3, M4A, AAC and WMA, Nokia said.

Additionally, the handset comes with a stereo headset with remote control. The N91, expected to ship by the end of the year, will also feature a 2-megapixel camera, e-mail support, a Web-browser and video-sharing capabilities, the device maker said.

The phone supports WCDMA, wireless local area networking and Bluetooth, and subscribers can shop at online music stores directly from the device, the company said. Users can synchronize the device with their computers via USB 2.0 and create and manage playlists that, in turn, can be shared with others via Bluetooth, e-mail or multimedia messaging.

Source: c|net news

[quad master]

Hey Sourabh thats gr8 news.

Thanks m8

[pradeep_chauhan]

Oh No, so buying the k750i is not so attractive now.

[Nemesis]

Hehe go ahead and buy the K750i pradeep. This monster is gonna cost a ton of money-probably in excess of $700 when it comes out at the end of the year.

[eminemence]

These are the phones
http://www.nokia.com/nseries/
One of the phones has 4gb HDD
And they have symbian 8) 8)
Bye.
--eminemence.

[abhinav]

hey these fones arent released yet

[drvarunmehta]

All this will be pointless if we have to hear the songs on Nokia's crappy earphones. If Nokia dosen't want to bundle good quality earphones, the least they can do is allow us to use our own.

[grinning_devil]

Originally Posted by drvarunmehta

All this will be pointless if we have to hear the songs on Nokia's crappy earphones. If Nokia dosen't want to bundle good quality earphones, the least they can do is allow us to use our own.

crappy earphones????
huuh....iam facing no such "real" problems with them... :roll:

[grinning_devil]

Originally Posted by pradeep_chauhan

Oh No, so buying the k750i is not so attractive now.

iam looking for upgrading my nokia 6220 to sumthing better..nd k750i looks promising to me.. its price??? ohh ny other phone worth mentioning that will be coming up...iam going to buy it around may end or june...

[drvarunmehta]

Originally Posted by grinning_devil

crappy earphones????
huuh....iam facing no such "real" problems with them... :roll:

I didn't say that there was a problem with them.
All i'm saying is that the sound quality is only good enough when used as a handsfree. If you listen to songs then they are not upto the mark. Even ordinary earphones costing 300 bucks sound better.

And even if Nokia dosen't want to bundle better quality earphones, they can atleast provide the option to let us use our own earphones.

K750i will beat it hand down, as it also got a 2 MP cam,

besides, the W800 is what will compete to this, remember it will come bundled with 512 MB Memory card in the package free (cost included)

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by drvarunmehta

All this will be pointless if we have to hear the songs on Nokia's crappy earphones. If Nokia dosen't want to bundle good quality earphones, the least they can do is allow us to use our own.

The N91 allows you to use your own headphones. Read the description of the phone on the website properly.

GX, the N91 also has a 2MP cam. One of the other models has a Carl Zeiss lens too. Plus they have Symbian which the K750i does not. The K750i or the W800i do not come with a 4GB HDD or Wi-Fi or 3G. So pray tell me, how will the K750i or the W800i beat it hands down? Sure they can use expandable memory but that will cost so much more than the phone itself.

[drgrudge]

Nokis rulezzz and owns!!!

But i think it will be costlier than 9500 and be a high end phone, which most of us cant afford.


@Gx, N91 got almost all the features that K750i got and even more But the only thing is that it will cost more than k750.....

[anispace]

Well the N91 will cost around $800.So not for the common man i think.

[NikhilVerma]

I will just wait for the prices to go down... Coz I alsways dreamed of a mp3 player/mobile phone...

Damn 4GB is a mobile! It's just too high!

I wasn’t giving a lot of attention to this phone lately, but after a few research pages, I can highlight the shortcomings of N91 compared to W800, and not k750i as W800 is the walkman phone

Storage

N91 is better as it got 4GB HD, but due to this the phones becomes heavy, & eats a lot of more battery compared to W800 which has flash storage in the form of Memory stick duo, now don't tell me that a HD eats power less then flash storage, if they increase the battery it will increase the weight, it's already 160 gm compared to 100 gm of W800, tad heavy, also incorporating a HD has increased the dimensions of this phone

Camera

Both got 2 MP Cam, but W800 got Auto Focus, however N91 got Carl zeiss lens, but U should know that a 2MP lens isn't everything for a good image, ok, I admit that the night image quality in a K700i sucks, but it is better in S700i & I hope it will be even better in W800. Besides w800 also got flash support. N91 supports 20X digital zoom, but it is just a trick & lowers quality

Music

The most important aspect, W800 can play Mp3 & MP4 AAC, & mp4 is better then mp3 when it comes to playback on a Mobile player, as it gives the same quality compared to mp3 at half the bit rate, while N91 also supports the same with WMA, some people prefer these

Size & Style

W800 is a lot better, not only smaller then N91 but also good in looks, but it can be subjective, some people like a pencil box size mobile

Exclusive to N91 U can buy music on the fly in your mobile from a compatible online music distributor

Networking features

N91 is better as it provides, EDGE, & Wifi something W800 lacks, ok, EDGE will be missed in W800 but not wifi, I mean we don't even have enough laptop hotspots in India, so don't bother counting this feature in India. Although N91 is a complete 3G phone, but their is no 3G provider here in India, so this feature will be useless for about 1 year at least, in that time the prices will fall down. How many people U know who use full features of their phone be it any vendor?

OS & Softwares

here W800 wins, not only it uses SE's own OS because of which it is safe from a majority or viruses, but also faster then symbian, as even with the 6630 & it's fast CPU, the phone gets slow just after 2 weeks of usage, don't know Y

But Symbian is better as one can install more softwares on it & it has better support for third party developers, but again, what feature is their in say 6630 which isn't in S700i by default without application installation

W800 will be providing VideoDJ, a small video editor inbuilt something N91 hasn't confirmed about

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Opinions differ; I would say that better use then chose if U can live with 160 gm weight & big size of N91 then go for that, else W800 will be available soon

[chinmay]

hmm...i think n91 is much better than w800...how cn u ppl consider buyin nethin other than nokia when nokia's services r not even comparable to any other brands

[drvarunmehta]

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

here W800 wins, not only it uses SE's own OS because of which it is safe from a majority or viruses, but also faster then symbian, as even with the 6630 & it's fast CPU, the phone gets slow just after 2 weeks of usage, don't know Y

you're right. the 6630 is ridiculously slow. if you open a folder that has about 5-6 images, the phone takes atleast 10 seconds to load it (im not making this up). doing the same thing on a 6610 takes 1 second. using a 6630 is like trying to play HL2 on a 486.

[anispace]

But N91 has symbian +HDD which means u can install unlimited software.

[pradeep_chauhan]

The HDD implimentation will be a thing to watch out things like bty usage will depend on the buffer size obviously the hdd like in PC will not be spinning alwase it will transfer data to flash and spin down and restart when flash data is low. The main thing here is btty life.
Also any thing with a HDD is more prone to dammage so i for one would not like to have a phone with a hdd as any fall of the phone will likely damage the hdd and thus the phone.
So i feel K750i is the way to go.

[devilhead_satish]

This is really cool. Got any pics anyone?

[Nemesis]

Ok, so you say putting an HDD decreases battery life and increases dimensions. But you do get an HDD, dont you? And 4GB at that. There isn't even a 4GB Memory Stick card and Memory Sticks are the most expensive types of flash memory.

Camera is debatable until both phones come out and are tested and compared.

Music player? Look at the formats the N91 supports:

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

Music:
Audio formats (decoding)

MP3, AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, Real V8, WAV, WMA, M4A, AWB, SP-Midi, AMR, WB-AMR, Nokia Ring Tones, AMR-NB, AWB

How many formats does the W800 play?

Looks are highly subjective but personally, I would prefer a Black/Silver phone over an Orange one

Why are you thinking of only India as the market for the N91? It will be sold worldwide. And there are countries that have 3G services and readily available Wi-Fi. If I get this phone, I can use my university's wireless internet and browse using my phone from anywhere I want. You can't say a particular feature is useless just because you might not get the full benefit from it. Also, the N91 will come out at the end of this year so we still might get 3G byt then. EDGE services are already present in a lot of circles. Also, you can set up a home wireless network and browse the net using your phone.

W800 does not win just because it uses Sony's proprietary OS. Their OS limits the amount of stuff you can get for the phones. It's like comparing Linux/Mac OS with Windows. Don't you still use Windows in spite of all the viruses, spyware, trojans, et al??

Hmm, one by one

U get a HD fine, but again whats the use if U run out of Battry, U can have 3000 songs, but to listen to all that the phone must work for 50 hrs or even long, continues, I don't think even N91 can play for that long

But with 2 GB flash memory,& I m not talking about only Memory stick duo but also TF & RC-MMC, U can play for 30 hrs with the phone off or 15 Hrs with the phone On,

15 hrs, even 3000 songs won't compleate playing in this much time, they will take a lot longer time to finish,

What I m saying that providing a HD in a Mobile Phone is bad, Flash based storage, any kind if, SD, MMC, RC-MMC, are a lot better & power saver then HD based mobile phones

Just for the sake U get a HD, which is prone to shock & will be sevearly damaged if they phone falls down, U r willing to prefer this fragile & big phone over anything else, remember Mobiles are meant to be small & light, & N91 is no small & compact

About the Music formats, let me re-sort your list

MP3, AAC,WAV, WMA, M4A - Most common format

AAC+, eAAC+ - Encrypted ones, when U buy music, how many here in India buy Music, I m not talking about US or France. Besides AAC+ is mono while WMA or mp3 are stereo

Real V8 - Extremely rare format, hard to find & convert

AMR, WB-AMR,AMR-NB - Sound recording formats, try converting a mp3 to amr & be ready to face the quality loss, it's huge

SP-Midi - Ringtone format, can be played on any polyphonic phone
Nokia Ring Tones Properity Nokia ringtone format, songs are not found in this format

W800 playes MP3, AAC,WAV, M4A,AMR, WB-AMR,AMR-NB,SP-Midi. So what left is WMA & Real V8, .ntr is not a point of discussion here

Even WMA is rare, 99% users will be using mp3, cos many don't even know about AAC or WMA, not talking about the nerds

WiFi & Edge are required, ok, but here in India even GPRS costs a lot, & even if U can use it in your collage, so what, is it available easily in India,I don't think so, even I said that EDGE will be missed in W800 & K750i

Again, I m asking U , tell me one thing that U can do on Symbian OS with a new sotware that U can't do on SE OS, nothing is left, evn if U cn't install softwares, there is nothing U r missing, everything is already there, that U might want from a phone

[Nemesis]

As far as I know, even iPods can't run for as long as the music lasts. You think with 20GB iPods, people can play all their music on a single charge? IT's not about how long your player can play songs, it's about how many it can store so that you have a wider choice of songs to listen to.

Do you realize how much a 2GB card would cost? It would probably about as much as the cell phone itself. I mentioned Memory Sticks in particular because the W800 uses them. I saw on Amazon that a 2GB MEmory Stick Duo costs $350. You want to pay that much for flash memory? And with higher capacity cards, the speed is compromized as the phone has to address all that information. That does slow down the phone.

Whoever said that mobilrs are meant to small and compact? IS the Nokia 9500 small? Is the SE P910i small? Don't they sell so many pieces the world over? It's about getting the features you want that matters rather than the size. Also, this might be a subjective issue as some people might like small phones. Fine. But I Still don't like the idea of getting an orange-colored cell phone.

Again with the music formats and Internet, why do you think of only India? Nokia will sell the phone on 5 continents for crying out loud. And don't tell me GPRS is expensive-it costs just Rs. 99pm but GPRS is not the issue here-EDGE is. Wi-Fi is available in India. SIFY offers it. Ok it may not be widespread but it is a start. As I said, don't neglect a feature just because you can't make full use of it. A lot of users will and that is why the N91 scores over the W800.

My point with the music formats being, the N91 plays more file formats than the W800 which makes it better.

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/revie...c=Applications

I am not going to list out any apps. Go to the site above and see for yourself what you can do with Symbian.

Originally Posted by Nemesis

And with higher capacity cards, the speed is compromized as the phone has to address all that information. That does slow down the phone.

Ya right, it is not a HD which fragments, it's electronic, there is no such problem in flash device,

Whoever said that mobilrs are meant to small and compact? IS the Nokia 9500 small? Is the SE P910i small?

These are PDA phones, they are meant to be big, compare W800 to N91 or 6630 not these big phones, & U r the first one who is saying that you want a big phone for style & day to day use

Yo, dude, again, this is India, & right now I m talking about India, not the world, I m saying that N91 is not for Indian Market, as it is quite overkill & fragile

What more Music formats are there whch U can play on N91, I mean, U tell me, that will U be playing AMR-WB format music on your player, even if it supported only mp3 even then it would have been enough cos many people use mp3 only

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/revie...c=Applications

Seriously, I was not able to find one application which does something that even a S700i lacks by default, except for games of course

more then that I say, get a K750 with a seperate mp3 player , that will be cheaper

[Nemesis]

You obviously haven't had much experience with Memory cards else you would know that if you get higher capacity cards, the phone slows down while accessing data stroed on the cards. It doesn not slow down the entire phone; just when it accesses data in the cards. Also, the SE site says that you can use upto 1GB cards so your 2GB is out of the question.

Store more
The W800i has plenty of memory inside for storing your favourite songs, images and video. And when you need to store more, use Memory Stick™ PRO Duo. In addition to the phone’s internal memory, you can have up to 1GB expandable memory. Thousands of images. Hundreds of songs

Here is the link for your viewing pleasure
SE W800i

Ok, I agree that some features on the N91 will not be very useful in India. But does that make this a bad phone? No, sir. I will repeat, If a feature will not be useful to you, it doesn't mean that the feature is totally useless
But since you want to talk about India, I'll let you know that I have a Wireless Router and that operators like Hutch do offer EDGE. SO it isn't as if EDGE is completely useless.

What more Music formats are there whch U can play on N91, I mean, U tell me, that will U be playing AMR-WB format music on your player, even if it supported only mp3 even then it would have been enough cos many people use mp3 only

I could not make any sense from this.

But with 2 GB flash memory,& I m not talking about only Memory stick duo but also TF & RC-MMC, U can play for 30 hrs with the phone off or 15 Hrs with the phone On,

Are you sure you can play music with the phone switched off???

Seriously, I was not able to find one application which does something that even a S700i lacks by default, except for games of course

Did you even look??? I found a ton of stuff like InstantMessenger, GPS system, Opera, etc.
And this was just one site. Ask drgrudge for more Symbian apps.

I have worked with Memory cards, for a long time, & for the price a 512 MB Memory stick duo, not original without bill can be baught in Lucknow for Rs 7000, thats way to less then $350

Read the W800 specs again, U can use the phone as Music player with the phone off, it is a feature of the phone

GPRS & EDGE are available from Hutch, but not widespread, ok, neyway, thos who need it will go for it

No point to argue on the phones which are not even out there

[drgrudge]

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

Yo, dude, again, this is India, & right now I m talking about India, not the world, I m saying that N91 is not for Indian Market, as it is quite overkill & fragile

WHy dude? I am interested in getting this phone if it costs less than 30k. Or can u tell me if u go for W00 or this N91 if the difference is only some 2-3k?

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

Seriously, I was not able to find one application which does something that even a S700i lacks by default, except for games of course

LOL man... , do u have that IR remote control thing in SE phones? When a member asked abt this in the QNA section u urself said that is not available with SE phones and and now u said that was not possible.
I can tell that not more than 30% of the apps which works on nokia series 60/80/90 phones cant install on this SE phones.

Moreover this W800?S700i is not a symbian phone and tell me how can tell most of the application which works on S700i which also installs on the symbian phones of nokia?

By the way u can get only JAVA games for this phones and prolly nothing
interesting apps...

[Nemesis]

LOL man GX. I said the 2GB one is $350 read my post carefully. And how can you run anything with the phone off? Use a little bit of common sense

GPRS & EDGE are available from Hutch, but not widespread, ok, neyway, thos who need it will go for it

Exactly what I was trying to say all along!!

I would like to refer U here

http://techdigestuk.typepad.com/tech...ricsson_w.html

It's clearly written

Fifteen hours' playback is what you'll get off the battery - and thirty if you play your music with the phone switched off.

It is a feature of W800i