Apple Iphone

[Angad singh]

Hey guys anyone here using an unlocked iphone in india.....
actually i am getting one but confused that shud i go for it or not... i just wanted to know are the unlocked phne allow third party applications to be installed on it.... if yes where r they available.....
appreciate ur replies...

[Pathik]

If the fone is unlocked using iunlock or otherwise u can install 3rd party apps directly using gprs or wifi using the installer patch..
btw dont discuss such things in the forum.. ..

[superczar]

there's nothing illegal about unlocking cellphones
hence no reason why not to discuss this

Answer for the OP...You can install 3rd party apps using ibrickr
the ibrickr app even links to 3rd party app repositiories

[aryayush]

Umm... I would advise you not to go for it though. Resist the temptation. Be patient.

[Angad singh]

thanks for the reply man...
but is this ibrickr installer safe i mean to say are the applications safe to install....

[superczar]

Resist the temptation. Be patient.

lol..why?

[aryayush]

What if someone buys it, unlocks it and then, after some days, the speaker stops working or the screen develops a lot of dead pixels or whatever. Where will be he get it serviced from in India? He'll end up with a pretty expensive and shiny paperweight.

[superczar]

hmm, thats true for buying any product from the gray market
or for that matter, for most products bought in the US or Singapore

should this risk mean that people should not buy stuff from anywhere but from local authorized dealers?

I have picked up tonnes of stuff from all over the place ....hell, I have even scrounged through Ghaffar market (Delhi), 5star and fancy Market (Cal), the notorious Burma Bazaar in chenai (Palika bazaar) and Heera Panna in Mumbai...

no bad experiences as yet..*touches wood

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by superczar

hmm, thats true for buying any product from the gray market
or for that matter, for most products bought in the US or Singapore

Apple products, though, can be bought from anywhere in the world. Standard international warranty FTW.

Originally Posted by superczar

I have picked up tonnes of stuff from all over the place ....hell, I have even scrounged through Ghaffar market (Delhi), 5star and fancy Market (Cal), the notorious Burma Bazaar in chenai (Palika bazaar) and Heera Panna in Mumbai...

You buy expensive stuff from these markets?

And even if you do, this is quite a different case. You buy a Sony DVD player from the gray market and some problem crops up after a few months. You can always get it fixed. Who will fix an iPhone, dude?

Personally, I stay as far away from the gray market and from second hand products as possible.

[superczar]

You buy expensive stuff from these markets?

yes, If I know what exactly I am buying and from who....

e.g. I picked a pair of Marantz Amp (PM-SA 15) and Phase Technology speakers (V-12) from the gray market at 50% of the list price
Having said that, sellers who specialize in hi end equipment are not the usual grey market peddlers...
and once you have a rapport, they will supply even low value items to you with an assurance of getting a warranty coverage on a best efforts basis

The iphone is a different case altogether though

[desiibond]

NO for gray market. Why the hell would someone want to buy a product worth 25k or 30k, when in 2-3 months is going to be available in India from the manufacturer with full support and warranty? Moreover, ipod touch is now available in India for much lower price and ipod touch is 100 times better buy than iphone since many feature in iphone are of no use in India.

I would suggest you to get decent mobile from the gray market (8k mobile for 5k-6k) and ipod touch from apple store. This would keep your money safe. as losing 5k is lot better than losing 30k (in case of problems).

[gdatuk]

why dont u wait until next year ? it will be in india by then....

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by desiibond

Moreover, ipod touch is now available in India for much lower price and ipod touch is 100 times better buy than iphone since many feature in iphone are of no use in India.

Care to list some of those? AFAIK, the iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store is the sole feature that is going to be crippled in India.

[iMav]

Originally Posted by aryayush

What if someone buys it, unlocks it and then, after some days, the speaker stops working or the screen develops a lot of dead pixels or whatever. Where will be he get it serviced from in India? He'll end up with a pretty expensive and shiny paperweight.

OMG cheap hardware i didnt know that abt apple

Originally Posted by aryayush

the speaker stops working or the screen develops a lot of dead pixels or whatever.

Honestly Aayush, if something crappy like that could happen to iPhone, then i'll suggest people to stay a mile away from iPhone even after Apple starts officially selling it here. Thats totally disgusting. Which phone today has a speaker that can stop working or a screen that develops a lot of dead pixels all of a sudden?

[ray|raven]

It's not like any phone will go bad suddenly.
I'm sure he meant if they developed due to accidents.
I mean like if u drop ur Nokia or SE phone and it's speaker stops working,
you can always go to a service center and get it repaired.
Nothing like that in the case of buying a phone which aint available here.

I'm sure thats what he meant with this.

Originally Posted by aryayush

What if someone buys it, unlocks it and then, after some days, the speaker stops working or the screen develops a lot of dead pixels or whatever. Where will be he get it serviced from in India? He'll end up with a pretty expensive and shiny paperweight.

Regards,
ray

[aryayush]

Thank you!

Originally Posted by krazyfrog

Honestly Aayush, if something crappy like that could happen to iPhone, then i'll suggest people to stay a mile away from iPhone even after Apple starts officially selling it here. Thats totally disgusting. Which phone today has a speaker that can stop working or a screen that develops a lot of dead pixels all of a sudden?

LOL! I expected something stupid from iMav but even krazyfrog!

Dude, I obviously am talking about an eventuality. It's hardware, OK? And **** happens. No company or product is perfect. I'm not saying that something bad will happen. I'm just saying that if something does happen, the guy won't be able to get it fixed anywhere. And that, my dear friend, would be disastrous because that phone is going to cost him quite a few bucks.

Get real, dude. I'm appalled that I had to explain such a simple and obviously logical post. Shame indeed!

^^ Sorry. My mistake.

[aryayush]

No need to apologise, man. Like I said, **** happens.

[desiibond]

Originally Posted by aryayush

Care to list some of those? AFAIK, the iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store is the sole feature that is going to be crippled in India.

1) iTMS
2) Wi-fi
3) maps
4) 2mp camera that doesn't record video and doesn't have flash to take pics at night

Remove these and there isn't much iphone can do more than what Nokia 6233 or LG shine bar edition can do.

It's worthy to invest in ipod touch but totally insane to buy iphone in India.

There are much better phones for that price that have more bang for the buck.

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by desiibond

1) iTMS

Strange. I could have promised that I already mentioned that...

Originally Posted by desiibond

2) Wi-fi

WTH! Wi-Fi does not work in India? What are you smoking, dude!

Originally Posted by desiibond

3) maps

I agree. I'd forgotten this one.

Originally Posted by desiibond

4) 2mp camera that doesn't record video and doesn't have flash to take pics at night

Oh, and it does these two things outside of India? Weird.

Originally Posted by desiibond

Remove these and there isn't much iphone can do more than what Nokia 6233 or LG shine bar edition can do.

The same old bullshit! Do you guys never get tired!

Originally Posted by desiibond

It's worthy to invest in ipod touch but totally insane to buy iphone in India.

You said that "many feature in iphone are of no use in India" and could only list two. That's the definition of "many"?

I know you don't but I am sure there are many people in India who care about how the device does whatever it can, not just what are all the features crammed into it! For them, it is not "totally insane" to buy the phone with the best user interface on any device ever. The user interface is what you use every single time you use the phone, not the video recording capabilities of the camera.

Originally Posted by desiibond

There are much better phones for that price that have more bang for the buck.

Depends on what is your benchmark for products "that have more bang for the buck". Mine is the quality of the product, not just its five-hundred page long list of specifications. The iPhone, right now, is clearly the best product in the market when it comes to quality.

That's my opinion, anyway.

[desiibond]

wi-fi is available in India but only in corporates or as wi-max. But is there wi-fi on the go like in couple of cities in US. I mean connect to wifi using iphone, browse high speed internet. I don't think so.

Yes. 500 page list of spec's doesn't make a great phone. How much can you use your phone for day to day work is what makes a great phone.

eg: take Nokia Xpress Music 5700 or N70 or SE W810i. Look at how much they do at about 40% or the price of iphone. They do everything that iphone does and more. The only department that iphone excel's is touch interface. Phone is a phone. Whether it is iphone or jphone, it should be a phone first and then music player or anything else. iphone on the other hand, is first an ipod and then a phone. The expected price of 28k+ is damn too high such phone in India.

It is made for US customers, not for Indians. They can use every single feature it has.

they can browse the internet using high speed wifi in their cities
they use iTMS a lot
They use full qwerty keypad a lot. How many in India are using smartphones and how many are using full qwerty?
They use internet a lot (for almost everything), we hardly open internet on our mobile phones.
They prefer listening to music while traveling, we prefer to have GD's with our fellow travelers
iphone i US is availble for 16k (when converted to rupees). here ipod touch 8gig is 17k. and iphone 8gig will be atleast 8k more. That is pure robbery. Paying 26-27k for a phone that is priced at 16-17k is insane, when for that price, you can easily get N95 or two N73's. Keep one N73 and gift one to your girlfriend. You will get more pleasure than using iphone.

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by desiibond

wi-fi is available in India but only in corporates or as wi-max. But is there wi-fi on the go like in couple of cities in US. I mean connect to wifi using iphone, browse high speed internet. I don't think so.

I have Wi-Fi in my home, dude. It is very useful for me. It is useful for Milind. It is useful for a lot of people.

Originally Posted by desiibond

Whether it is iphone or jphone, it should be a phone first and then music player or anything else. iphone on the other hand, is first an ipod and then a phone.

How so? The first and most prominent icon on the iPhone is for the Phone function. It makes and receives calls well. It has a very advanced phonebook. What else do you need?

The only different between the iPhone and other converged devices is that it not only does a lot of things, it does them all like a dedicated device for each one does. And people don't expect that. You don't like the iPhone because you think that, being from Apple, it will only have a great iPod built-in but will suck at doing other tasks. You think that because you don't "get" Apple. You don't know that they will either make a great product or not make one at all. They won't do a mash-up job.

Originally Posted by desiibond

we hardly open internet on our mobile phones

Again, you don't "get" Apple. I didn't use Bluetooth for synchronising my phone with my computer even though my computer has Bluetooth. When I switched to a Mac, I started using it. I didn't use Wi-Fi before. I started using it after buying a Mac. I'd never done a virtual machine setup or a VPN setup before, nor had I done screen sharing - I started doing all this after switching to a Mac. The world wanted to stick with CRT monitors and floppy drives. Apple changed that attitude and now, because of them, LCDs and CD-ROMS are popular today.

Similarly, you don't use the Internet on your phone now. But you would, if you had an iPhone.

I know it all sounds very fanboyish but well, that's just the way it is. The point is, only after you have used it will you appreciate what a huge revolution that phone is. Every company worth its salt is copying it now. Touchscreens have suddenly become the most important feature on almost every high-end phone out there. Why? Is everyone stupid? Nokia's executives have publicly admitted that they are attempting to copy the iPhone and that it is a giant step forward. Is Nokia stupid?

I know what this is. I've been haring similar comments from gx_saurav and iMav about the Mac for several months now. This is just "sour grapes". We can't have it so why not bash it!

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The crippled Bluetooth, inability to copy-paste and to send an SMS to multiple contacts simultaneously are the only drawbacks of the iPhone, IMHO. Severe drawbacks, I accept. I also hate the fact that the 3.5mm jack is recessed and won't work with a lot of normal third-party headphones.

These are the stupid things that are currently keeping me on the fence. I still haven't made the decision whether I'll be buying it. If it comes only with a postpaid plan, that will be another huge factor for me. I might not buy the phone then.

But, all said and done, there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that this is definitely the best mobile phone ever made, drawbacks and all.

[iMav]

"The only different between the iPhone and other converged devices is that it not only does a lot of things, it does them all like a dedicated device for each one does" - it is dedicated to everything other than being a phone .... no mms; no 3g; no sending files via bluetooth; no fcuk there are so many nos cant remmber them also

"This is just "sour grapes". We can't have it so why not bash it!" - just coz ur father paid for ur mac book doesnt make us less privelleged its just that we got brains and no where to spend the money

[aryayush]

I'm not implying that you are "less privelleged" or cannot afford it or any such thing. Please don't purposely misquote me!

And let us stop this non-discussion right here. You'll never get my point and vice versa. superczar was right. This just keeps going on and on in circles.

[superczar]

For the record. google maps works perfectly well here..
The only feature that does not work is visual voicemail...

....I am out of here

[desiibond]

Follow maps in Bangalore and you will be pleading for mercy infront of a Traffic police.

coz aaj jo one way hai, kal two way ho jaayega aur kal jo two way hi aaj one way ho jaayegaa.

Better use "instant maps" that are available everywhere. People

[superczar]

^^^
Use Google/Wikipedia to lookup information in India and you will be running around trying to get your computer fixed after a short while

Coz the power fluctutations on Indian gridlines will ensure your computer dies off in a few weeks

Better use "Instant search" that is available in your neighborhood library, the paper card based library filing system

[aryayush]

Originally Posted by superczar

For the record. google maps works perfectly well here..

Actually, no, it doesn't. It just sort of works. The highest zoom level in the satellite view is too zoomed out, there is very little detail (you cannot find the nearest McDonald's in India like you can in the US) and traffic information and directions are not supported in India.

Originally Posted by superczar

The only feature that does not work is visual voicemail...

That does not work right now, when the phone is not officially launched in India because no carrier here supports it. It will work, however, when Apple comes to India in 2008.

[superczar]

Actually, no, it doesn't. It just sort of works. The highest zoom level in the satellite view is too zoomed out, there is very little detail (you cannot find the nearest McDonald's in India like you can in the US) and traffic information and directions are not supported in India.

LOL Arya...

Here is a sample link:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...QP80Py7DQ&cd=1

Click on the view large map, then zoom in to you hearts' content