Nokia versus Sony Ericsson

[lighthouse911]

Uff I have got Tired of fighting But I guess I have to reply here...

See You reall cannot compare a NORMAL phone TO a SMARTPHONE!
When will u guys understand that!

For GOD"S sake If u want to compare nokia smartphones then go and look at P900... and do not mention the price factor..compare smartphone to a smartphone

compare phones like T610,K700i to normal Nokia phones like 6230,7250,6610i,6170,etc....

smartphones are different and everyone knowas that Nokia makes the world's BEST "Cheap" smartphones like 3660,6600....

and fr ur kind information all these symbian software's like "bluejack, "callcheater, and "total ir" can also be installed on P800,900,910


Now tell me which UI will u prefer 6230 or K700i
there is no comparison mate

which UI would u like 7610 or P910i???

and u say that nokia is a market leader in phones???
some people never learn and in turn misguide others
anyway it is good beacuse i do not think there is a mody arnd here to take care of flames!


do u know nokia has come down frm 37% to somewhere arnd 27%
do u know Se started making phones only in 2002]]

p.s. this all is rubbish talk.Let's close this thread.We can do better things then flame each other!

@drgrudge

how can having CDMA phones make Nokia a better choice???
Do u know SE has 23 3G models in Japan.Does that make SE a better choice

also SE is going to launch V800 which does have edge...

[frostt]

dude......V800 isnt going to be launched for asia it seems.....i am sorry to contradict there.....it is solely for cingular as for now....

As for this topic it is very intesting..although i voted for nokia, i have 2 agree that this year belonged to sony...with phones like the K700i,S700 and P910i....it crushed all the competition it had...but what next.....sony has got no other plans left as there are no announcments for new phones....nokia on the other hand has already announced that it will launch 40 new phones next year....

So it is a very difficult topic to continue....nokia had been leading the stage...but his year sony appeared on top.....with samsung and motorola close behind......

[SmoothCriminal]

Thats why.. u r rite.. SE is always laggin bhind..

@lighthouse: and btw.. have ur facts rite..

V800 is NOT EDGE enabled..

http://phone.mobile9.com/sony-ericsson/v800/

and Sony ericsson started mkin phones only in 2002 huh.. well Sony was a separate company, and ericsson was separate,., they've been in the indutry since inception.. u haven't seens sony phones and ericsson phones?? both were big failures and hence they joined togehte... nothing els.e.!

u r posting ur own facts huh!??!

OK.. leme compare P900 with Nokia 9500.. . 9500 is EDGE enabled.. Its also Wi-Fi enabled.. while P900 isnt EDGE/Wi-fi enabled..

further.. P900 has an internal memory of 16 MB while an expansinon slot for 32 MB is provided..

9500 has 80 MB internal memory plus a MMC slot (upto 1 GB)..

P900 is a Symbian phone.. well.. most Nokia phones above 10k are Symbian.. while SE has only its trump card: P900/800 as Symbian..!

[drgrudge]

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

smartphones are different and everyone knowas that Nokia makes the world's BEST "Cheap" smartphones like 3660,6600....

6600 costs rs 16k and 3660 costs rs. 17k, do u mean to say they are cheap?

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

Now tell me which UI will u prefer 6230 or K700i
there is no comparison mate

which UI would u like 7610 or P910i???

6230 costs much less than p910i.. p910i costs around 40k....

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

and u say that nokia is a market leader in phones???
some people never learn and in turn misguide others

do you still have doubt , over, which is the market leader, in india alone 35% market share..

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

@drgrudge

how can having CDMA phones make Nokia a better choice???
Do u know SE has 23 3G models in Japan.Does that make SE a better choice

ok, u talk abt wht they presently offer u m8, in india SE does not have or sell cdma phones...

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

also SE is going to launch V800 which does have edge...

nokia already sells 3 models in edge type phones...

[lighthouse911]

hmm.. good.It seems u are following the message in ur sig."never give up"

maybe Nokia is better. What Now???? nothin mate.

[frostt]

smooth criminal dude....if u look at it...its just been 2 years that took sony to kick out nokia from the battle...that is sm achievment...

As for u comparing a 9500 and a P900 i agree with u...but u will surely agree that nokia launched 9500 this yearand it isnt even available yet..as for P900 its been there for arnd a year now....so if u look at it...sony is way ahead of nokia in terms of phones...

besides who cares abt edge abd wifi.....the v800 is an awesome phone...a clamshell with a 1.3mp cam with a ccd senor and a 262 k screen...nokia on the other hand has just got the 6630 as its best bid...that has a 1.23mp cam thant 2 with a cmos sensor....whereas the s700 which is available is better than the 6630 already in terms of hardware...

Get ur facts staright and then post...dont click on the first link u find thru google and start spamming arnd...

@drgrudge the same goes for u 2

nokia has got a 35%market share only cause indian people dont go for the functionality but for the brand name.....they just dont want 2 check any other option out...but thats changing soon......CDMA phones.....who the hell cares abt cdma phones....only 5 - 10% of mobile users care to carry arnd a cdma phone...and out of those 10 % hardly 1 % carry a nokia cdma phone...most of the people get LG or kyocera phones...So cut the crap abt cdma phones...
nokia already sells 3 edge phones....and what does edge do....a higher rate of dload from the GPRS network.....edge isnt even fully implemented in india...and the providers like hutch and orange who are providing it them selves say that its nthing if compared to normal phones.....they have just made advertsiment for edge phones..providing edge users with big files to dload.....i agree that edge phones dload them easily...but non edge phones will just take sm more time to dload them na..thats it....as u cant do anythng else while u r dloading smthing thru gprs....it hardly matters if it takes2 mins more to dload a file...
The 3 nokia phones with edge are 6230(16k) 7610(23k) and i really dont know which is the 3rd u r talking abt...
These phones are not within the reach of normal phone users...no1 cares to get edge...all they want is a phone with better reception and features which sony is providing now....

[lighthouse911]

@drgrudge
6600 is 16k and 3660 is 11k

16k is cheap compared to 39k (P910i)

also being a market leader and makin good phones is not the same thing!

What will u do with Edge !!!
Watch Hutch TV???
Well I hav 6230 and tell u Hutch TV is just a marketin gimmick

@smoothcriminal

Ericsson was a big failure!!!!!!???

I think It is time u check oiut the facts man!!!!!
It was at that time the 2nd biggest mobile phone maker in the world...
and u call it as failure?? strange

and the marketshare that u all guys keep ravin abt is there only because of cheap phones like 3310,3315,1100......

They account for most of sales in nokia lineup
nokia is only quantity no quality....
just see the no. of extra models nokia has out here...

Nokia has big market share due to it's value phones, which are strictly Phones Only,.no frills, compare a T230 with a value Nokia phone & U will know what I m saying

The interface of SE phones resembles much like an OS, Windows or Mac, I mean, things are in their respective folders, while in Nokia no such thing.

I m not saying that Nokia is bad, but SE beats it in many places, while Nokia kicks SE when it comes to sub5k phones

[SmoothCriminal]

besides who cares abt edge abd wifi.....

huh! then wat else are u lukin for in a Smart phone!

And tell me 1 Fact that i got wrong.,. ahaa this guy says Ericsson wasnt a failure in mobiles!..

well.. mate.. SE does hav sub 5k phones.. R100, T105, T10 sc, T230 etc etc.. But why dont these phone come upto Nokia phones?

Let me clarify.. Nokia's mkkt share has come down.. agreed.. But.. SE is nowhere compared to Nokia.. Here's the mkr order in this reg:

1. Nokia - 29% mkt share
2.Motorola
3.Samsung
4.Siemens
5. SE - 6% mkt share

So, dont talk about mkt share here.. SE fans.. u r no where near..

Proof:

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/34343.html

nokia has got a 35%market share only cause indian people dont go for the functionality but for the brand name....

Man Nokia's 29% share is worldwide.. not only in India..what do u say abt this?

The 3 nokia phones with edge are 6230(16k) 7610(23k) and i really dont know which is the 3rd u r talking abt...
These phones are not within the reach of normal phone users...no1 cares to get edge...

Its really funny that u call 6230/7610 as out of reach of normal users, while u use the P900 and other 40k phones to counter my arguements!! Whats abt 3220?? its a sub 10k phone.. EDGE enabled.. and if u dont know the use of EDGE dont spk abt it.. EDGE is definitely a better technology than GPRS n HSCSD..

all they want is a phone with better reception and features which sony is providing now....

Why is Nokia Ngage more popular?... All nokia phones have good reception.. Do u have anything like Ngage or the 7600 in SE..?

Coing to ur point of sub 5k phones.. lets talk abt T105/100.. can u send ringtones or pic msgs from thiese phones? no way.. but u can send from 3310/3315/1100/2100 etc..

[lighthouse911]

What a joke u r mate!

1st thing= u can send ringtones/picture messages via T105
so better clear up ur doubts before posting

2nd thing=u say 3220, I say T610; What has 3220 got over T610 ;;only EDGe;BUT T610 has bluetooth,Irda, bigger screen, and is so much better looking..... what is the use of having edge on 3220 when u cannot watch live streaming TV(and do not jump at me because I am not referring to Hutch TV)


3rd= Some Se models u mention are not avilable anywhere.... R100???? what's that

The production of T10 was stopped 4 yrs back

and comparing T230 with nokia 2100 or 1100 will be brutal , don't u think!

and although I have already mentioned that market share does NOT effect anyone's decision which phone he has to buy

so I hope to make conclusion that u only buy things that have largest marketshare......(generally cheap things)
Then do urself a favour ....this time when u go out to buy a cellphone get urself a 3310;; That cellphone alone has 20% marketshare in India

p.s. Just jokin man, do not mind.I am sorry If I have offended you.

[Nemesis]

ok ppl....first of all, all of u need 2 get ur facts straight as frostt said...but frostt, u have 2 galring holes in ur posts: firstly, the V800 is 4 vodafone not cingular...secondly, 7610 is not EDGE enabled....and also, EDGE is way better than GPRS....there r so many factual blunders in this thread that im shocked...this is nothing but a mud slinging contest..the nokia fans say nokia is the best while the SE fans say that SE is the best...there is nothing more than that in this thread....and ppl, unless u use a nokia CDMA phone, dont say that it serves as an advantage over SE...anyway, SE has CDMA phones in other countries other than India...

[lighthouse911]

I appreciate nemesis's message very much!

Atlast a guy in Digit Forum who thinks Rationally!

[SmoothCriminal]

COmon mate.. i sadi 3220 is a sub 10k EDGE phone..

The 3 nokia phones with edge are 6230(16k) 7610(23k) and i really dont know which is the 3rd u r talking abt...
These phones are not within the reach of normal phone users...

Just in response to it..

and BTW.. i have a T105 wid me rite now.. pls help me on how to send Rigtones / Picture messages.. I dont really know.. I'll realy apprecitae if u help!

Coming to R100.. well mate.. if u wana deliberatelky find faults i cant help.. done u see that the key 'R' is near 'T' and that i referred to T100?.. Huh!

T10 stopped 4 yrs back.!!!!! You said SE started only in 2002.. How come huh! I just wonder if SE has a time machine..!

Im happy with my 3660.. its a gr8 phone.. and btw dont forget the help i askd.. how to send ringontes/images using T105..

[freshseasons]

Originally Posted by drgrudge

and another thought:
DOES SE HAS A CDMA ENABLED PHONE?
nokia has that too: 3105, 2280 ,etc...

My Earlier Posts on the Good old Prince of CDMA Nokia phone
here : http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/view...highlight=3105

Or else you can always read my answer below
I don't have reliance but use Tata indicom...( along with Idea ..with my SonyEricsson k500i but that is not what you want to hear OK)....So i do use Tata indicom's Nokia 3105 ....hmmmm now is it good for a color handset....Frankly i tell you its totally ****... My reasons..
1) It falls down to break into two pieces most of the time...so its embrassing to join them in front of hmmmmm People every time. ( The front panel and the body dont want to stay in place on any contact with ground )
2) The rubbery keypad is the stupidest and most unfriendly on the fingures
3) I have for the stupid handset bought one duplicate DKU 5 Usb cable and failing to make contact bought an original from Nokia Showroom...i have only been able to make contact once ..inspite of tearing my hair on all the sites..and then contacting the service people..
4) Why you want to be caught with the Handset when there are lots better options there...
5) It looks like pig..

[drgrudge]

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

hmm.. good.It seems u are following the message in ur sig."never give up"

well, that is my inspiration, never give up in life....well i tell u a short story...

Once a farmer had 2 pots, one was a damaged one and the other one was a normal pot. daily the farmer fetches water from the nearby pond from his two pots.when the farmer bring the pots back to his house,the first pot would be half filled and the second pot will be filled to brim. seeing this the first pot was unhappy to see that it could not help the farmer and it was useless and asked the farmer to break it. the farmer smiled and said, "see, u think that u are useless and on the other hand can u see the path from the pond to my home, it is full of life and green....," the water from the pot had watered the path.

the other thought is the clock thing in my signature.
see, u should never give up in life....

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

maybe Nokia is better. What Now???? nothin mate.

your views are highly fluctuating...., one time u say SE and other time u speak of nokia. hmmm, now when all members agree nokia is beter , we shall get this thread locked.

Originally Posted by frostt

Get ur facts staright and then post...dont click on the first link u find thru google and start spamming arnd...

@drgrudge the same goes for u 2

ok, can u quote a single post of mine where i have found out a link from google and "spammed" here?i tell u, (believe me, ) not even once i have searched for a link or reference from google or even for the matter of fact form other members.

Originally Posted by frostt

nokia has got a 35%market share only cause indian people dont go for the functionality but for the brand name.....they just dont want 2 check any other option out...

dont u think why they go for brand names?ok let us take for eg, u want to travel to some place here in india itself, there are many airlines, so will go for indian airlines instead of jet/sahara? and take they both quote the same fare...
and other eg, u want to buy a television , there are many local brands and lesser known brands , and we also have sony, samsung, etc..., wht will u buy?
smooth rightly said nokia global market share is 29%.

Originally Posted by frostt

CDMA phones.....who the hell cares abt cdma phones....only 5 - 10% of mobile users care to carry arnd a cdma phone...and out of those 10 % hardly 1 % carry a nokia cdma phone...most of the people get LG or kyocera phones...So cut the **** abt cdma phones...

see dude, i was just saying nokia manufactures and sell CDMA phones too, where the hell does SE do? all the statistics u tell may be rite, i agree but i jus wanna prove that nokia has it's presense felt in CDMA market also, unlike SE

Originally Posted by frostt

The 3 nokia phones with edge are 6230(16k) 7610(23k) and i really dont know which is the 3rd u r talking abt...

we were talking about 3220 which costs 11.5k

Originally Posted by frostt

all they want is a phone with better reception and features which sony is providing now....

bah, sony erricsson might be the first phone to have signal reception related problems..., i am talking abt T105/T100
with nokia u can almost talk with jus a single bar, or sometimes no bar at all...

Originally Posted by frostt

and what does edge do

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

What will u do with Edge !!!
Watch Hutch TV???
Well I hav 6230 and tell u Hutch TV is just a marketin gimmick

as we all know hutch tv is at place and airtel provides live straming video.
well, this is a starting phase of EDGE. it is still not popular.
remember EDGE service is based on NETWORK provider not based on ur hand sets.

Originally Posted by gxsaurav

The interface of SE phones resembles much like an OS, Windows or Mac, I mean, things are in their respective folders, while in Nokia no such thing.

have u seen 3660 or 6600?

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

What has 3220 got over T610 ;;only EDGe;BUT T610 has bluetooth,Irda, bigger screen, and is so much better looking.....

3220 has Irda , so u clear ur mind b4 posting... and talking of looks definetly 3220 looks beter. it glows in dark and has colorful xpress on covers.

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

what is the use of having edge on 3220 when u cannot watch live streaming TV

u urself have told that airtel provides live streaming video.
and as i have said b4, EDGe is a network based functionality, when it becomes more popular, more network will offer EDGe service.

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

although I have already mentioned that market share does NOT effect anyone's decision which phone he has to buy

ok, it is not the market share , i too agree , but it is the brand name , we look out for. and ofcource, good brand name= large market share

[drgrudge]

Originally Posted by freshseasons

Frankly i tell you its totally ****... My reasons..

i shall counter argue , all ur reasons.,,,

Originally Posted by freshseasons

1) It falls down to break into two pieces most of the time...so its embrassing to join them in front of hmmmmm People every time. ( The front panel and the body dont want to stay in place on any contact with ground )

do u play with ur mob? u talk as if want the mob, u stay in it's place , even after all ur playing? why dont u drop SonyEricsson k500i and see whether it breaks or not?
mobs aren't made of iron,

Originally Posted by freshseasons

2) The rubbery keypad is the stupidest and most unfriendly on the fingures

on the other hand, it will be good for ur "fingures". i agree , it may be small , but that's becoz it is a very compact phone...
u can also change the keypads for it.

Originally Posted by freshseasons

3) I have for the stupid handset bought one duplicate DKU 5 Usb cable and failing to make contact bought an original from Nokia Showroom...i have only been able to make contact once ..inspite of tearing my hair on all the sites..and then contacting the service people..

why did u buy a hell of duplicate cable and now cry over it?

Originally Posted by freshseasons

4) Why you want to be caught with the Handset when the
re are lots better options there...

what options does ur SE provide for CDMA type, network providers?in fact nokia itself provides many varities in cdma phones...

Originally Posted by freshseasons

5) It looks like pig..

so u carry pigs, with u?

mate freshseasons, sorry if i have offended u, but, i need to tell u, wht ever way u tell, i can counter argue....

nokia rulezzzzz

[drgrudge]

and another thought:
with nokia u can change the keypads and covers, as u wish....
is the same possible with SE?

[SmoothCriminal]

Still no answer?! How to send Ringtones/Pic msgs using T105!!!

[lighthouse911]

well mate;;; I know that T105/T100 suports EMS.If u want to know just search in ur manual.I do not have time 4 such silly stuff just fr satisfying ur big inflated EGO!

By the way u must also know That Nokia and se use different picture messa ge format. SE,MOto,Siemens and all others use ems while Nokia uses smart messaging......

@Dr. Grudge

Please look at my posts before u make silly coments

Nokia 3220 has EDGe BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE MEDIA PLAYER.SO IT CANNOT PLAY STREAMING VIDEO/Audio

AND DO NOT BRING ME THE FACTS SHEET BECAUSE I HAVE USED THAT PHONE>
Morever 3220 DOES NOT have Infrared....

again and again I have said That DO NOT compare smartphones to normal phones yet u have the nerve to again compare The UI of 6600 to Normal SE Phones........That said I feel the SE is better in UI......

so I think That If someone Needs to CLEAR his mind Then it's U

And the biggest Joke is That 3220 looks better then T610!
wow mate, U should be an art critic!
3220 is one hell of an ugly duckling and manages to look even worse then my 6230;;;
T610;; hell mate,they can't be even compared in the aesthetics department...

anywayz all this regarding looks is a matter of personal opinion!

[lighthouse911]

concerning the matter of T10 It was produced By ERICSSON and not BY SONYERICSSON and as I said It's production was stopped 4 yrs back

[SmoothCriminal]

ahaa.. dude/.. its not my EGO.. i really dono T105 doesnt send ringtones / images to my knowledge..

Rather than simply telolling it sends EMS, tell me how to send.. Manual has no such info..!

[SmoothCriminal]

and btw.. Streaming Video is available on 3220 as per Hutch website.. Dont know why u werent able to do that.. I dont know abt that as well..

http://hutch.co.in/corpsite/home/hut...es/hutchtv.asp

But i dont think Hutch is supporting our views..!

[drgrudge]

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

@Dr. Grudge

call me Doctor Grudge...., hehe
ok, coming back seriously to counter argue...

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

Nokia 3220 has EDGe BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE MEDIA PLAYER.SO IT CANNOT PLAY STREAMING VIDEO/Audio

Originally Posted by SmoothCriminal

and btw.. Streaming Video is available on 3220 as per Hutch website.. Dont know why u werent able to do that.. I dont know abt that as well..
http://hutch.co.in/corpsite/home/hut...es/hutchtv.asp

a nokia dealer said so..., i wasnt sure, anyway see the website.

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

Morever 3220 DOES NOT have Infrared....

ok, i agree i overlooked and besides a nokia dealer misguided me.

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

again and again I have said That DO NOT compare smartphones to normal phones yet u have the nerve to again compare The UI of 6600 to Normal SE Phones........That said I feel the SE is better in UI......

plz quote where i have said so?
no way, SE can be better in uI, for ur info, 6600 has a joystick also.

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

And the biggest Joke is That 3220 looks better then T610!
wow mate, U should be an art critic!

hey lighthouse, everyone has his/her own views, u need to respect it. and still i say, 3220 looks good.

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

3220 is one hell of an ugly duckling and manages to look even worse then my 6230;;;
T610;; hell mate,they can't be even compared in the aesthetics department...

3220 cant be called the cutest phone but , certainly it looks good to me.
it has colorful covers, it has a glowing sidepanels, et al.
in my opinion, T610 looks like a overgrown penguin.

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

anywayz all this regarding looks is a matter of personal opinion!

even mine!

Originally Posted by lighthouse911

I know that T105/T100 suports EMS.

and to the best of my knowledge T105 has a wap support , not sure whether it can send a EMS.

hoping to see u,lighthouse soon here and all ur SE friends to argue....

[lighthouse911]

hmm it seems that T105 does HAVE EMS. No I hope u guys know the meaning of EMS. This means u can send animations and sounds through sms......

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?...=pp1&pid=10089

[lighthouse911]

HUTCH TV IS NOT "STREAMINg" atleast till today.In Hutch TV u just download some clips and view them on ur cellphone

LIVE STREAMING IS WHAT AIRTEL IS PROVIDING (aajtak and CNBC)

[SmoothCriminal]

Man.. all that is fine dude.. i want a PRACTICAL help on how to send pictures/ ringtones from my SE T105.. Im askin u a Help.. huh..

[SmoothCriminal]

and btw.. u just said 3220 hasnt got a movie player!?

abe yaar,


both are good, both are bad,

Now end the discussion, stikc with what U like

[drgrudge]

where r the other SE lovers, haven't seen them yet?

[ishaan]

se EDGE enable fone - p910