Motorola Defy and Defy+

[sach1000rt]

i am a motorola defy user
I would like to install one of the custom rom

will it void warranty if i do custom rom?
what about warranty if i again flashed and install stock rom ??


thank you

yes it will void warranty.
and yes you will get your warranty back after flashing stock again.

[Soumik]

Whether Defy+ will support the Custom ROMs of Defy?

The only hardware difference that matters for the OS is the camera module. If you have Bayer module(referred to as red lens in XDA forums), its basically the same as a Defy+. There are many ROMs which already are based on the red lens and have patchs along with it, that make the camera working for green lens(non-Bayer lens... dont go by colour) handsets.

So, u can safely say, Defy+ custom ROMs are already available in the forums.

[shivangi]

Hi All,

I have recently bought a Motorola Defy from Letsbuy.com.
I am fairly impressed with the phone. I needed to discuss a few things about the phone and couldnt find any thread for Defy, so created one.

I am not sure if there are many Defy owners around here, but if you are, please give your opinions here.

Ok, i would first like a recommendation from you. I got a 2Gb card free with the cell, but i want to get a higher capacity card.
Please recommend me some good card that is supported by Moto Defy.
I was thinking of getting Patriot Signature 16Gb Class 10 card. It will cost me around Rs2100. My friend is abroad and might be able to get it for me. Is there any other good option? and whats the best i can get over here?

i'm also looking forward to buy this phone..but it runs on android 2.1 and i've heard that it gets bad after upgrading to android 2.2 ..is that true??

[devilonleash]

Hi

Am planning to purchase Moto Defy and is pretty excited about it. But am a complete newbie/novice in tems of android and hence pls excuse my queries which may appear outright plain stupid to some of you.. Shall be glad if anyone can help me with following :

a.) Do i necessarily need to have a GPRS connection to use my phone? Have heard that android phone connect to internet on their own through GPRS.

b.) I have an unlimited braodband connection at home which unfortunately is wired to my PC and hence no wifi . So is it possible that i download the apps on to my PC and then transfer to the phone? And during/after installation do the apps need to connect to internet?

c.) If i use the phone only for normal browsing (gmail/facebook/cricinfo) and google maps, what kind of data consumption will happen in a month and which kind of data plans are available (have got airtel postpaid)

d.) Do i need a screen guard for the defy?

e.) Some good/useful apps for the phone.I shall be using the phone mainly for calls/sms, music, games.

Shall be glad for the help.

Thanks.

[anshul_sood]

a.) Do i necessarily need to have a GPRS connection to use my phone? Have heard that android phone connect to internet on their own through GPRS.

If you disable auto syncing and background data, GPRS will be used only when you enable it

b.) I have an unlimited braodband connection at home which unfortunately is wired to my PC and hence no wifi . So is it possible that i download the apps on to my PC and then transfer to the phone? And during/after installation do the apps need to connect to internet?

You can download apps and install them though side-loading but not from the official android market. Youi can also buy a wi-fi dongle to share your internet over wifi with your phone while you are at home. A good dongle costs just about 1K

c.) If i use the phone only for normal browsing (gmail/facebook/cricinfo) and google maps, what kind of data consumption will happen in a month and which kind of data plans are available (have got airtel postpaid)

As for internet Rs 98 plan gives you 2 GB which is sufficient unless you try to stream videos or download movies on your phone I used just about 500 MB on my dad's Android phone in August. This is for 2G plan. 3G plan is too costly, better go with Wifi while you are at home

d.) Do i need a screen guard for the defy?

No it is coated with gorilla glass. So unless you use a drill on your phone or deop it from more than 6-7 feet, it should remain protected. Still you may buy one if you want to.

e.) Some good/useful apps for the phone.I shall be using the phone mainly for calls/sms, music, games.
You may use tunewiki for music, angry birds for gaming, Handcent SMS or ChompSMS for SMS

[devilonleash]

Thanks a lot Anshul for taking the time out and educate a nincompoop..Much appreciated..
Loved the dongle idea..good that i waited and asked for help..now the next question will be about a good dongle..checked at ebay and the stuffs are ranging from 600 bucks to 3k..any particular thing regarding specs that i need to keep in mind?
Gonna get defy this week..cant wait to get my hands on it..then perhaps share a beginners experiments with android
thanks once again da..

Cheers

[devilonleash]

Hi Anshul

I tried reading about wi-fi dongles and converting your desktop/laptop into wi-fi hot spot. However got confused on the following points:

a.) Most of the web pages mention converting a laptop/desktop which already is a recipient of wifi network into a wifi hotspot. I have got a wired LAN connection to my desktop (win xp) and the router is beetel 110bx1 adsl2+ router. Can i convert this wired desktop into a wifi hotspot using a dongle?

b.) In some of the discussions it was mentioned that ad-hoc wifi networks are not recognizable by android phones and a wi-fi router is required for the purpose. Is it true?

Need help on the same as getting worried now. any links/tutorials will be most welcome.

Thanks in advance..

[anshul_sood]

Hi Anshul

I tried reading about wi-fi dongles and converting your desktop/laptop into wi-fi hot spot. However got confused on the following points:

a.) Most of the web pages mention converting a laptop/desktop which already is a recipient of wifi network into a wifi hotspot. I have got a wired LAN connection to my desktop (win xp) and the router is beetel 110bx1 adsl2+ router. Can i convert this wired desktop into a wifi hotspot using a dongle?

b.) In some of the discussions it was mentioned that ad-hoc wifi networks are not recognizable by android phones and a wi-fi router is required for the purpose. Is it true?

Need help on the same as getting worried now. any links/tutorials will be most welcome.

Thanks in advance..

I too have got a BSNL unlimited wired broadband connection and was asking the same questions a few months back. Just buy a WiFi dongle by some good brand like Netgear, belkin, asus, Dlink. Get one which is wifi b/g/n compatible. Now download software named mhotspot from share internet connection windows 7 Dial up your connection, install the dongle drivers, start mhotspot, click on setup hotspot, enter a name, choose your password, and then just click on start button. You are good to go.

[devilonleash]

Thanks once again Anshul..but i guess the mhotspot s/w is not compatible with win xp..looks it's only for windows 7..

any other way or shaill i get a wifi router?

[AndroidFan]

Hi

Am planning to purchase Moto Defy and is pretty excited about it. But am a complete newbie/novice in tems of android and hence pls excuse my queries which may appear outright plain stupid to some of you.. Shall be glad if anyone can help me with following :

a.) Do i necessarily need to have a GPRS connection to use my phone? Have heard that android phone connect to internet on their own through GPRS.

b.) I have an unlimited braodband connection at home which unfortunately is wired to my PC and hence no wifi . So is it possible that i download the apps on to my PC and then transfer to the phone? And during/after installation do the apps need to connect to internet?

c.) If i use the phone only for normal browsing (gmail/facebook/cricinfo) and google maps, what kind of data consumption will happen in a month and which kind of data plans are available (have got airtel postpaid)

d.) Do i need a screen guard for the defy?

e.) Some good/useful apps for the phone.I shall be using the phone mainly for calls/sms, music, games.

Shall be glad for the help.

Thanks.

a) GPRS connection is not essential. But to make the most of your phone, you will need some type of wireless connection. How will you use Facebook or Twitter or Gmail or Youtube on your phone without a wireless internet connection?

You can turn off wireless data access from Settings >> Wireless & Networks >> Mobile Networks >> Data

Uncheck it and then you won't have to worry about using mobile data...

You can even use PowerControl widget to quickly turn it on or off whenever you like without going all the way into settings...

b) Since you already have unlimited broadband at home, you will need to buy a wireless router. Don't buy a dongle, adhoc wifi connections are not easy to make. Just buy a wireless router. You can connect a 100 devices using a router at once... And your PC does not even have to stay on for you to us the internet on your mobile devices.

You can easily get an N150 type router for 1.2k to 1.4k in the market...

c) Get a Rs 98 2GB pack from airtel. More than enough for mobile use...

d) Better to get a screen guard, just in case...

e) Get an Android phone... you will find tons of useful apps and games on the Android market. Once you get the hang of the phone, everything will be easy...

Cheers!

[anshul_sood]

Thanks once again Anshul..but i guess the mhotspot s/w is not compatible with win xp..looks it's only for windows 7..

any other way or shaill i get a wifi router?

You may get a new router or you may try another app called connectify. I did not know that you were using XP. I personally have been using Win 7 since last April.

[a2mn2002]

Considering Defy!

Queries from Defy owners :
Defy supports Live Wallpapers !?
Defy earpiece Problem?
Is is too big ? Is it pockitable?
Size dimentions VS nokia N8?
When Defy+ arrives any price drop in Defy ?

Any other problem?

[devilonleash]

thanks a lot androidfan and Anshul..looks like i shall install airtel wifi router at home..checked with airtel cc and they are gonna install it for 1.5k..

checked with airtel mobile guys..buggers are charging Rs 198 for 2GB scheme which is available for Rs 98 in prepaid..wonder why the second class treatment for postpaid users

came across a useful document for creating a wifi network with win xp.although doubt whether this will be detected by android as it looks like comp to comp settings..some of you might find it useful..sharing it..


Cheers..

[Srvn]

How about Fire XT vs defy?

Which woult be a better choice...?

[sam]

^^ Defy.

XT falls in the league of costly useless mobile:
Ace. Salsa. Fire XT. all priced at 13k or higher & crosses path with Defy.

[Srvn]

Sorry my bad!

what does ^^ Defy mean?

[lll_aritra_lll]

Hello folks,

I am new to Digit forum.. well as well as android platform. Researching on forums and tech sites for info on my first android phone.. and for first time a good invest on my phone. Within my 15k INR budget I first choose LG Optimus one.. but a shocking thread on LG official forum changed my mind.. I liked Samsung ACE for its nice interface but from the beginning, I got a hunch that its not value for money.. I inquired little more and finally liked HTC Salsa.. it has quite everything I needed. but lacks in one most important feature ROM space. I read all experts review, but was searching for users review. the persons who use that phone everyday. finally I got here searching and posted a detailed one for suggestion yesterday.. and got only one reply of sam, where he suggested defy.. like everyone else (well almost) motorola was never in my consideration. though I have read its review too.. and stopped thinking abt it after learning it has ver 2.1.

But after reading every single post. I am very excited about it.. Will go through one salsa thread too.. but I hv almost made my mind abt defy.. hey.. I am buying a smartphone.. I can do anything with it.. why the hell should I wait for official release? all I gotta do is search for a defy manufactured in the first quarter of this year.. according to the posts in XDA, I came to a conclusion that they used bayer lens only batches made in the first quarter. Those who have bayer lens.. can you confirm it by posting ur set's manufacturing date please?

If everything goes fine, I will be coding in two months

[Soumik]

i'm also looking forward to buy this phone..but it runs on android 2.1 and i've heard that it gets bad after upgrading to android 2.2 ..is that true??

I am quite sure that now Defy comes with 2.2 and not 2.1 as before. It doesnt get bad. It gets a lot faster, but the official ROM is a bit buggy and lags sometimes. But is certainly faster than the 2.1 official ROM. If you are getting Defy, be ready to put on some custom ROM to unleash this beast..

Considering Defy!

Queries from Defy owners :
Defy supports Live Wallpapers !?
Defy earpiece Problem?
Is is too big ? Is it pockitable?
Size dimentions VS nokia N8?
When Defy+ arrives any price drop in Defy ?

Any other problem?

Defy has an ARM A8 proc inside, it run hardware accelerated Flash content.. Offcourse it supports Live Wallpapers.
Earpiece problem is a thing of the past. I doubt if any Defy owner here is facing the issue.
Its the smallest phone u can get with a 3.7" screen. The phone eniterly is barely larger than my old Samsung Star with 3" screen. Highly pockatable!!
Smaller in length, slightly smaller in width, slightly thicker, much lighter and a bigger screen than N8.
Unlikely, probably Defy will be taken out of market when Defy+ launches in India.

Sorry my bad!

what does ^^ Defy mean?

Huh?! :S If you're asking that over here, better pick an Oxford Dictionary and find out its meaning.

Hello folks,

I am new to Digit forum.. well as well as android platform. Researching on forums and tech sites for info on my first android phone.. and for first time a good invest on my phone. Within my 15k INR budget I first choose LG Optimus one.. but a shocking thread on LG official forum changed my mind.. I liked Samsung ACE for its nice interface but from the beginning, I got a hunch that its not value for money.. I inquired little more and finally liked HTC Salsa.. it has quite everything I needed. but lacks in one most important feature ROM space. I read all experts review, but was searching for users review. the persons who use that phone everyday. finally I got here searching and posted a detailed one for suggestion yesterday.. and got only one reply of sam, where he suggested defy.. like everyone else (well almost) motorola was never in my consideration. though I have read its review too.. and stopped thinking abt it after learning it has ver 2.1.

But after reading every single post. I am very excited about it.. Will go through one salsa thread too.. but I hv almost made my mind abt defy.. hey.. I am buying a smartphone.. I can do anything with it.. why the hell should I wait for official release? all I gotta do is search for a defy manufactured in the first quarter of this year.. according to the posts in XDA, I came to a conclusion that they used bayer lens only batches made in the first quarter. Those who have bayer lens.. can you confirm it by posting ur set's manufacturing date please?

If everything goes fine, I will be coding in two months

Coding? :S Anyways, my pick is Defy over Salsa. It comes with 2.2 and latest 2.3.5 android ROMs are easily available for Defy. It has got enough ROM space. (around 1.4 GB) Cant say which batch had the Bayer lens. Any new buyer can confirm their lens make? Mine is certainly of Q2 2011(April or May) make and i got a red Bayer lens.

[lll_aritra_lll]

yeah I am already in search for a bayer lense... finger crossed

[ahmerk]

Can someone please tell me where to get this phone in Delhi? (cheaper or for as good a price as online ). I contacted letsbuy.com and they were not sure if they'll ship one with SOC or bayer module. Contacted two sellers on Ebay; one has the green lens one and the other does not know the difference. Thanks.

[giprabu]

As he said above, just get aLogCat from Android market(requires root) and you will be able to check your lens make.

I installed alogcat and still couldn't figure out if i have a bayer lens module. When i run that s/w, there are a serious lines of codes and couldn't find the word 'camera' at all in it.. Pls help me out..
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..
and i'm also not able to overclock my defy. Tried with 'cpu master free' and 'no frills cpu control'... The max clock frequency shown is 800Mhz only.

[anshul_sood]

I installed alogcat and still couldn't figure out if i have a bayer lens module. When i run that s/w, there are a serious lines of codes and couldn't find the word 'camera' at all in it.. Pls help me out..
..
..
and i'm also not able to overclock my defy. Tried with 'cpu master free' and 'no frills cpu control'... The max clock frequency shown is 800Mhz only.

To be sure, do a logcat and start your camera, you will immediately see which module is loaded by the kernel - this is the module physically present in your phone

It will have text like
D/LibCommonCamera( 1890): CameraCommonHal: openCameraHardware()

D/LibCommonCamera( 1890): CameraCommon: Detected BAYER device

if you have a bayer lens module



Download setVsel from android market and use it to modify your processor states.

Some typical values are 24@300, 34@600 and 52@1000, threshold at 90%. These are not very aggressive values and you may decrease Voltage(the first no.) even more but this may make the phone unstable.

[lll_aritra_lll]

Can someone please tell me where to get this phone in Delhi? (cheaper or for as good a price as online ). I contacted letsbuy.com and they were not sure if they'll ship one with SOC or bayer module. Contacted two sellers on Ebay; one has the green lens one and the other does not know the difference. Thanks.

contact him... this seller is from delhi.. power seller i.e. trusted
and he is giving the cheaper deal

Click Here

I installed alogcat and still couldn't figure out if i have a bayer lens module. When i run that s/w, there are a serious lines of codes and couldn't find the word 'camera' at all in it.. Pls help me out..

there is a very simple way.. take a photo from ur camera.. check the size.. if its over 1 mb.. u hv bayer lens.. else.. bad luck

Can someone please tell me where to get this phone in Delhi? (cheaper or for as good a price as online ). I contacted letsbuy.com and they were not sure if they'll ship one with SOC or bayer module. Contacted two sellers on Ebay; one has the green lens one and the other does not know the difference. Thanks.

and the lens color doesnt matter... bayer lens also has green red yellow and i dont know how many colors. but the module needs to be bayer

[giprabu]

To be sure, do a logcat and start your camera, you will immediately see which module is loaded by the kernel - this is the module physically present in your phone

It will have text like
D/LibCommonCamera( 1890): CameraCommonHal: openCameraHardware()

D/LibCommonCamera( 1890): CameraCommon: Detected BAYER device

if you have a bayer lens module



Download setVsel from android market and use it to modify your processor states.

Some typical values are 24@300, 34@600 and 52@1000, threshold at 90%. These are not very aggressive values and you may decrease Voltage(the first no.) even more but this may make the phone unstable.

i dont find any such lines..

there is a very simple way.. take a photo from ur camera.. check the size.. if its over 1 mb.. u hv bayer lens.. else.. bad luck



and the lens color doesnt matter... bayer lens also has green red yellow and i dont know how many colors. but the module needs to be bayer

bad luck.. the pics are around 500 to 600KB only.. and mine is a green lens.

[lll_aritra_lll]

i am gonna order today.. i am getting rs 13500/- offer in ebay and from a power seller.. dont know if it is safe.. its my first time i am buying online

[giprabu]

can someone say as which version of cm7 or miui i have to flash so that i can also downgrade to stock rom anytime.??

my firmware version :2.2.2
build number : JEM_3.4.3-36-1.7

[anshul_sood]

can someone say as which version of cm7 or miui i have to flash so that i can also downgrade to stock rom anytime.??

my firmware version :2.2.2
build number : JEM_3.4.3-36-1.7

are you from HongKong or Taiwan? You rom version says so


1.Download superoneclick
2.In your mobile. Settings->Applications->Development (check USB debugging on)
3.Connect your phone to PC. Open superoneclick ->Click ROOT. Thats it your phone is rooted.
4.Restart your mobile.
5.Download 2nd init from android market. install the 2nd init recovery. It will ask the superuser permission Accept it.
6.Uncheck the USB debugging from Settings->Applications->Development and restart the phone now.
7.It will go in to bootmenu select normal boot at now.
8.After mobile booted copy the Gapps zip and cm7 stable or nightly zip file to root of your SD card.
9.Restart the phone it will go in to boot menu or you can press vol - button when you see the blue led light.
10.Now go to recovery -> Custom recovery -> Wipe data/factory and Wipe cache -> Install zip file from sd card(select the zip file you copied to sd card)
11. While your still in recovery, Install zip from sd (Select Gapps Zip)


To downgrade to Stock rom it is very simple:
1.Download RSD lite and Motorola usb drivers to flash SBF file.
2.Download Stock froyo SBF for your region from here. Check to compare your version no.
3.Check USB debugging on your phone and connect to the pc and wait until all motorola drivers install.
4.Open RSD lite(right click and open as a administrator). It will show connected. Now select the sbf file you located on the system and click start and wait till it completes 100% process. thats it. it will flash your phone to stock froyo and it will automatically restart and boot.

Note: Some times when rebooting after RSD lite flash your phone stuck in bootloop(M logo or it continously loading in Android menu). It is better to go to stock recovery(Hold the vol - button and then power button and then release it. you will get android logo with exclamatory symbol. Press vol - and vol + button at the same time to get in to stock recovery). Select wipe data/factory and wipe cache.

[giprabu]

thanks a lot for your effort..!
i still have some queries in the following points..

point 8# Which version of Gapps.zip should i download ? and where to copy those zip
files ? (root of the sd card means do you want me create a folder named
'root'?)
point 10# Here i'm supposed to select the cm7's zip file rite ?

and with these 10 points, am i done installing cm7 on my defy ??!!
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browsing through threads i found people using nandroid backups, fixed SBFs , blah blahs ... no need of those things uh ?
and how much free space should my sd card have inorder to do these..?
..
sorry if i'm asking too many questions.
and thanks once again.

[lll_aritra_lll]

So far I have enquired.. the best deal I am getting for defy is rs 13,490 in ebay. and I called the seller, he said its all green lens and manufactured on aug 2011. There is a chance I can get old manufactured mobile, which have a good chance of having bayer module. I have a friend in Mumtazuddin in kolkata and confirmed from him.. but it will cost around Rs 14,800.. what should I do?

Plz Reply soon. I am intending to place the order tonight

[giprabu]

successfully installed cm7 on my defy !!!
i'm lovin it..