The Official HTC Desire Thread

[sam9s]

Hi All,

I am drooling over this phone for months now and have been waiting for it for ages ......it was suppose to be released in India in Q2 2010, but we have entered mid of Q3 and still no sign of Desire what so ever ... grrrr .. Has anyone bought this phone anywhere in India, or is anyone waiting for the same ..... need some input on this ......

Regards
Sammy

[sam9s]

Nobody has no information about this ..... ???

[desiibond]

dude, just go and get Samsung Galaxy S

[rhitwick]

Yes, because HTC itself doesn't have any info about it.
Sam check out the specs of Samsung Galaxy S...

[sam9s]

I have checked Galaxy S and intensively compared two phone as well ...... (online ofcourse) and the only thing that goes in favour of Galaxy S is its super AMOLED screen, rest everything is tooo good on Desire (though Desire also has AMOLED screen only second to the best), trust me I have seen enough comparision between iphone 4/3GS, Galaxy S and Desire and Desire wins hands down with its speed and interphase ......

@rhitwick I called up HTC india after reading your post and they did confirm the phone launch somewhere in the 2nd week of AUG, which is not that far......I am gonna wait and see for this month ..... else yes the second best it definately Samsung Galaxy S

[abhidev]

Originally Posted by sam9s

I have checked Galaxy S and intensively compared two phone as well ...... (online ofcourse) and the only thing that goes in favour of Galaxy S is its super AMOLED screen, rest everything is tooo good on Desire (though Desire also has AMOLED screen only second to the best), trust me I have seen enough comparision between iphone 4/3GS, Galaxy S and Desire and Desire wins hands down with its speed and interphase ......

@rhitwick I called up HTC india after reading your post and they did confirm the phone launch somewhere in the 2nd week of AUG, which is not that far......I am gonna wait and see for this month ..... else yes the second best it definately Samsung Galaxy S

Dude why don't you buy it from ebay...one of my frnd got it already in just 3days...just for 25k.

[kalpik]

Originally Posted by sam9s

I have checked Galaxy S and intensively compared two phone as well ...... (online ofcourse) and the only thing that goes in favour of Galaxy S is its super AMOLED screen, rest everything is tooo good on Desire (though Desire also has AMOLED screen only second to the best), trust me I have seen enough comparision between iphone 4/3GS, Galaxy S and Desire and Desire wins hands down with its speed and interphase ......

@rhitwick I called up HTC india after reading your post and they did confirm the phone launch somewhere in the 2nd week of AUG, which is not that far......I am gonna wait and see for this month ..... else yes the second best it definately Samsung Galaxy S

Better CPU and much MUCH better GPU on the Galaxy S. Actually, apart from HTC Sense and maybe looks (which are subjective), Desire has nothing else over Galaxy S

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by kalpik

Better CPU and much MUCH better GPU on the Galaxy S. Actually, apart from HTC Sense and maybe looks (which are subjective), Desire has nothing else over Galaxy S

Better CPU? Both have 1ghz snapdragon processor
better gpu? Who compares gpu, it's not for nfs shift actually. There is no I mean absolute no lag what so ever in any kind of navigation in the phone and that is what counts. And the amount of customization one can do is phenominal on this phone. Mever said galaxy is no good but desire has an edge above.

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Originally Posted by abhidev

Dude why don't you buy it from ebay...one of my frnd got it already in just 3days...just for 25k.

I don't like used phones actually, how so ever new they claim. Also 25k is no bargain price, the official launch price is 28 so I might as well wait and get new.

[sujoyp]

But there r soo many better things in Galaxy S then Desire
Galaxy S ke paas-
bigger & better screen
Newer GPRS/EDGE/HSUPA(3G) technology
Faster Bluetooth3
Better Video recording
Inbuild Divx support


Desire ke paas kya hai??

[rhitwick]

AND Galaxy has FLAC support....

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by sujoyp

But there r soo many better things in Galaxy S then Desire
Galaxy S ke paas-
bigger & better screen
Newer GPRS/EDGE/HSUPA(3G) technology
Faster Bluetooth3
Better Video recording
Inbuild Divx support


Desire ke paas kya hai??

Whoa ... why r u sounding so scarcastic ...... i am no HTC fan or samsung hater .... Lets not start Galaxy vs desire battle here .....I had almost decided to buy Galaxy when few thing that are most important to me were clearly better in Desire ...... like few below

better UI, especially widgets support (very important for me)
better general speed of operation (opening apps etc,) even with 8 widgest in all 7 home screens desire was not even skipping a beat while navigation
multicolour LED notification light
hardware keys ... atleast ffor home and back
HTC email app better than Samsungs (again very IMP to me)
better browser with flashlite 4.0
better initial setup (a lot better)

Samsung excel;s in the following ...

better music player, has EQ (I would not use phone for music or may be casual music)
better video capabilities (with Android 2.2 (froyo) we will have 720p recording and divx support in Desire as well)
better video capture and camera (low light conditions that require a flash aside of course) .... not a huge positive for me ...... a decent 5MP camara is sufficient for me which is in desire
TV Out via cable, DLNA ....... worth less ffor me
better for high quality gaming..........wont do much gaming on mobile
Video Calling with ffront camera .... again I do not need video calliing ...

I want a smartphone with powerfull integration between contacts, widgets and phonebook, plus fast UI, no lag whatsoever, super smooth browsing and fast page rendering, and least off all sexy mail support .... desire excels in all of these...

Sources

..... HTC Desire vs iPhone 4 vs Samsung Galaxy S | News | TechRadar UK

Comparison of HTC Desire vs. Samsung Galaxy S | CareAce

Few videos to ponder ....

YouTube - ‪Galaxy S vs. Xperia X10 vs. Desire‬‎

1. Notice the bootup time is better ffor HTC .....

2.. during navigating to a place in Google earth notice carefully , when the camara zooms in to the earth, the transition is absolutely smooth ffor desire while in samsung its is a bit jerky ...... rest was more or less same ....

Watch this one aaraam se, it gives an inside picture of Desire UI very very user frendly ...

YouTube - ‪HTC Desire review - part 1 of 2‬‎

YouTube - ‪HTC Desire review - part 2 of 2‬‎

Also check out this discuesstion between the two .... notice how dispite of the fact of better screen samsung have how people rave about the interphase and Sense UI on Desire

http://androidforums.com/android-lou...tc-desire.html

[kalpik]

Originally Posted by sam9s

Better CPU? Both have 1ghz snapdragon processor
better gpu? Who compares gpu, it's not for nfs shift actually. There is no I mean absolute no lag what so ever in any kind of navigation in the phone and that is what counts. And the amount of customization one can do is phenominal on this phone. Mever said galaxy is no good but desire has an edge above.

No one wants to turn this into a Galaxy S vs Desire thread. But I just want you to get your facts straight. The Galaxy S and Desire absolutely DO NOT have the same processor! The Desire has a 65nm based Snapdragon processor. The Galaxy S has a 45nm based Hummingbird processor. You might know that a smaller nm manufacturing process leads to better performance and lower heat production. Also, the Hummingbird processor has support for LPDDR2 RAM, which the Galaxy S has, against the LPDDR1 RAM that Desire has. So overall, there is a LOT of difference between the Desire processor and Galaxy S processor.

Regarding lag in navigation, that's not cause of lower GPU performance. That's cause of poor IO performance because of un-optimized drivers. The later firmware have fixed the lags 98%.. There is a fix out there which completely eliminates the lags too

And regarding GPU, the Galaxy S has BY FAR the best GPU on any android phone. It offers PSP-like graphics! Look here: YouTube - ‪Modern Combat- Sandstorm - Galaxy S‬‎

That said, the Desire is an EXCELLENT phone too! Major gripes (for me) are no GPU (makes playing games impossible) and the touchscreen bug.

[kalpik]

Oops! This thread got closed somehow. I don't remember closing it. So it could be some other MOD. Anyway, must have been a mistake. Opened it again. Apologies for the confusion.

P.S.: Those of you who think I closed this thread purposely, you really don't know me

[neerajvohra]

@kalpik

..why would you close the thread purposely ? probable some mod was about to write something..and instead of post it/ he click on post and close

Back to the topic :

Galaxy S has better hardware, Desire has better UI (and HTC>Samsung in terms of smart phones as Samsung's own proprietary skin is crap and very ugly. ).

@kalpik

: The Galaxy S having humming bird processor which is better than Desire Snapdragon processor . But , is the differences big enough??

Check this video test

Now, which one has better processor ?

The Sense UI is much much better than TouchWiz . TouchWiz icons and UI really sucks , and it is laggy too...but heard they are improving touchwiz

ADW.Launcher v1.0.1


In most of the terms Samsung Galaxy S wins..but personally I would never go for Samsung coz in terms there support/software is always crap.

All the other threads, like this one gonna get different views which doesn't make sense at all..If you have decided to go for Desire..have patience..else buy this Samsung Galaxy S.

[gagan007]

hehe kalpik...I really don't know u
I read your argument in favor of Galaxy S and saw the thread closed I thought you passed a verdict...nice to see the thread opened again.

[sujoyp]

Originally Posted by gagan007

hehe kalpik...I really don't know u
I read your argument in favor of Galaxy S and saw the thread closed I thought you passed a verdict...nice to see the thread opened again.

Exactly what I thought...

There r lots of people complaining abt Galaxy S being laggy..lets see when samsung release the new firmware

[Faun]

"and saw the thread closed I thought you passed a verdict..."
lol

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by gagan007

hehe kalpik...I really don't know u
I read your argument in favor of Galaxy S and saw the thread closed I thought you passed a verdict...nice to see the thread opened again.

Exactly!! even I thought the same .... made his judgement and slap closed ...lol .... I even wrote poor Kalpik a "bit" harsh PM about this as well, Accept my Apologies Kalpik........

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Originally Posted by neerajvohra

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The Sense UI is much much better than TouchWiz . TouchWiz icons and UI really sucks , and it is laggy too...but heard they are improving touchwiz

ADW.Launcher v1.0.1


In most of the terms Samsung Galaxy S wins..but personally I would never go for Samsung coz in terms there support/software is always crap.

All the other threads, like this one gonna get different views which doesn't make sense at all..If you have decided to go for Desire..have patience..else buy this Samsung Galaxy S.

These are the exact points sinking me away from Galaxy, else as I said I was about to go for this phone. HTC has given a serious thought over UI and brought sense ...... and what ever videos i have seen, desire UI seems much better ..... Also as you said even if Galaxy processor is better its OS/software optimization is not up to the mark, why else would desire show better transition in every UI (example google eatrh) than galaxy .......

[kalpik]

You know what guys? Now that I think about it, I remember subscribing to this thread, but my subscription wasn't there when I checked.. Lol.. I think I clicked close thread instead of subscribe to thread.. My bad! Extremely sorry for the confusion

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Ok, on-topic, all of you who are saying that the phone lags and the software isn't optimized are absolutely right (I own the phone, so I know it first hand ). But later firmwares have improved the situation a LOT! And this SD Card fix ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724251 ) completely removes lags and gives a score of ~1700 on Quadrant Bechmark (which is MUCH higher than the score even Nexus One gets running on Froyo!)

[rhitwick]

I, as well Kalpik, own Galaxy, and yes it has lags. But there are some temporary fixes too without upgrading ur firmware or rooting.

As Samsung allows upgrading firmware (well in Desire's time everyone told me its not easy changing the firmware) Froyo is just on the doorstep.

About Desire's release date, dude I contacted them twice; first in May'10 and got a reply that it will be launched in June mid week. Then it got delayed.
Again I mailed and got reply that it will be released in Aug end....I could not wait any more and bought Galaxy.

I needed a multimedia phone and Galaxy has all those I need,
Out of box DIVx support, FLAC support and an AWESOME screen.

[neerajvohra]

[QUOTE=kalpik;1270567]You know what guys? Now that I think about it, I remember subscribing to this thread, but my subscription wasn't there when I checked.. Lol.. I think I clicked close thread instead of subscribe to thread.. My bad! Extremely sorry for the confusion [COLOR="Silver"]

Haha...So I was right..actually this happened to me too.

@kalpik
all of you who are saying that the phone lags and the software isn't optimized are absolutely right)

@rhitwick
But there are some temporary fixes too without upgrading ur firmware or rooting.

We all know that the Galaxy has some lags..I cant digest by purchasing a phone that cost me 28-30k and it lags/ Even the customers has shoot this message loud in the deaf ears of Samsung, ..Galaxy is a master piece..but again..in terms of samsung support/software is always crap.

Google Nexus doesn't face any issues like this (I already posted the video of amazing CPU of samsung galaxy)..On the other side check the UI of Desire..I personally wont go for those multimedia features out of the box like divx, awesome CPU etc which has been mentioned here..if my phone UI is crap/lags.

Samsung itself doesn't do anything in this regard..and this is the worst part of the phone..that is what the thread owner (sam9s) discussed by changing his mind to go for Desire.

I thought of purchasing Galaxy..thought to give a chance to Samsung..but it really doesn't suits my pocket to purchase a 28-30k phone and searching Google/xda forums to improve the lagging thing. I am trying hard to get Nexus one.

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by neerajvohra

Google Nexus doesn't face any issues like this (I already posted the video of amazing CPU of samsung galaxy)..On the other side check the UI of Desire..I personally wont go for those multimedia features out of the box like divx, awesome CPU etc which has been mentioned here..if my phone UI is crap/lags.
Samsung itself doesn't do anything in this regard..and this is the worst part of the phone..that is what the thread owner (sam9s) discussed by changing his mind to go for Desire.

You stole my words friend ...... exact words of my toughts....... specially .. "I personally wont go for those multimedia features out of the box like divx, awesome CPU etc which has been mentioned here..if my phone UI is crap/lags."

Even I want a sleek and fast UI with true integration between contacts, address books and Social apps ....... and I think Desire has a clear edge in this ....However ... If what @rhitwick has said comes to be true then I dont know how long I can wait and how long my patience can hold........anyway will atleast wait for this month and hope that finally they do release the phone ......

[yogi7272]

Desire is no competition for Galaxy S . If you want to know better the difference between these two processors then check out anandtech's review of Droid X. Galaxy S has btw, arm cortex A8 1ghz processor. Hummingbird is the name of the SOC which also has powervr sgx 540 which is only available in GS and Wave. Other phones can only dream about it. May get it next year with OMAP4 platform.

Does the UI lags on GS, hell yeah. But then there is a fix too. No smarphone is ever complete and always has some big-tiny bugs in its lifespan.

You can say, only in build quality desire has a slight tiny edge over GS. Camera is crap on desire. Enough of rant I guess..'

I have used Desire and now own GS btw..

But if your sold on Desire then its only second to GS ..

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by yogi7272

Desire is no competition for Galaxy S . If you want to know better the difference between these two processors then check out anandtech's review of Droid X. Galaxy S has btw, arm cortex A8 1ghz processor. Hummingbird is the name of the SOC which also has powervr sgx 540 which is only available in GS and Wave. Other phones can only dream about it. May get it next year with OMAP4 platform. ..

I wonder we keep bringing this processor thingi, which supposedly is better in Galaxy but whats the end result......Desire still seems to have a smoother transition and better navigation experience than Galaxy, whats the use of such hardware ...... its like PS3 cell processor argued to be far better than 360 but practically games look more or less same on both .....

[rhitwick]

Originally Posted by yogi7272

Desire is no competition for Galaxy S . If you want to know better the difference between these two processors then check out anandtech's review of Droid X. Galaxy S has btw, arm cortex A8 1ghz processor. Hummingbird is the name of the SOC which also has powervr sgx 540 which is only available in GS and Wave. Other phones can only dream about it. May get it next year with OMAP4 platform.

Does the UI lags on GS, hell yeah. But then there is a fix too. No smarphone is ever complete and always has some big-tiny bugs in its lifespan.

You can say, only in build quality desire has a slight tiny edge over GS. Camera is crap on desire. Enough of rant I guess..'

I have used Desire and now own GS btw..

Dude, as u say u've used both, why not post the comparison?

[kalpik]

Originally Posted by sam9s

I wonder we keep bringing this processor thingi, which supposedly is better in Galaxy but whats the end result......Desire still seems to have a smoother transition and better navigation experience than Galaxy, what the use of such hardware ...... its like PS3 cell processor argued to be far better than 360 but practically games look more or less same on both .....

Does this look like "practically same performance" to you?


Be sure to compare it with Nexus One <2.2, cause Galaxy S runs 2.1!

[sam9s]

Originally Posted by kalpik

Does this look like "practically same performance" to you?

Be sure to compare it with Nexus One <2.2, cause Galaxy S runs 2.1!

It does to me in this video....

YouTube - &#x202a;Galaxy S vs. Xperia X10 vs. Desire&#x202c;&lrm;

As I said only on papers.......Show me a "Video" where we can actually see Galaxy navigation/Internet browsing faster than Desire ....

BTW which device is "Your device".................Galaxy s is at 4th and what on earth are we comparing in this graph BTW

[kalpik]

^^ That "Your Device" is the same Galaxy S with the sdcard fix

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Oh BTW, Galaxy S has the fastest browser performance of any 2.1 phone! And those navigation lags are absolutely gone after the sdcard fix!

Rest, its up to you! Believe what you want to believe

P.S.: If you're not gonna hack your phone, then Android is probably not a good choice for you. Have a look at the iPhone!

[yogi7272]

@kalpik - Spot on. If your intent on using your phone in stock condition then android is not the right choice. I would take Galaxy S over any phone any platform now , that is untill I get my N8

Read this - http://www.anandtech.com/show/3826/m...hly-reviewed/4

@sam9s- That processor thing- That means the potential is still there and with large non- official support you can always tune your GS to the max. Anyways go ahead and get your Desire

[neerajvohra]

Originally Posted by sam9s

I wonder we keep bringing this processor thingi, which supposedly is better in Galaxy but whats the end result......Desire still seems to have a smoother transition and better navigation experience than Galaxy, whats the use of such hardware ...... its like PS3 cell processor argued to be far better than 360 but practically games look more or less same on both .....

Do you think people gonna change ?? what you are expecting out of it

@yogi7272

Why don't you ask those peoples who own both the handsets :

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710377

@kalpik

As far as i can tell and through a benchmark tests performed between the Galaxy and the Desire they are close in speed and processing power,

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/mobilephones/0,39050603,62200389,00.htm

The major difference is that the Galaxy graphics which yields an amazing 90 millions triangles per second compared to the Desire 22 Million so you get a general feeling of how powerful this device really is.

http://www.gadgetvenue.com/samsung-galaxy-hummingbird-chip-give-3x-polygon-performance-03263638/

There are the test between both the phones, but still I know the hardware of Galaxy us Superb..no comparison (atleast that is what you people wanna hear)

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If I keep posting the differences between both the handsets, you will get more into this :

There are many 100's of forums to compare both the handsets :

I have both and the desire is far more reliable. I've had far less problems with it than the galaxy s. The galaxy s is far more powerful in terms of gaming it's 4 times faster in the heaviest benchmarks and twice as fast in games. Galaxy s can comfortably record and playback 720p video, screen is bigger and better etc.

HOWEVER that all has meant nothing to me as the damn thing can get extremely hot (up to 53 degrees celsius), has much shorter battery life (pathetic I need to charge at least twice a day with less usage than desire) and all the bugs/worst UI reported which can get really annoying.

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The difference is really hardware (galaxy) vs software (desire).

You can overcome to some extend on the lack of software (in case of galaxy, where you can find replacement shell, widgets, etc) but not on the lack of hardware.

Of course, the software solution is not perfect and nowhere near HTC sense, but at least you get a compromise on the software with capability of the hardware in Galaxy.

Make your choice :